-
TDR Magazine subscribers receive more than the magazine! You also gain additional forum privileges!
Details here: TDR Privileges
Subscribe to TDR Magazine here: https://www.tdr-online.com/
Real Diesels.....
- Thread starter Max340
- Start Date
Attention: TDR Forum Junkies To the point: Click this link and check out the Front Page News story(ies) where we are tracking the introduction of the 2025 Ram HD trucks.
Thanks, TDR Staff
Or bow ties...
#ad
#ad
Hammer
TDR MEMBER
Come on now guys,,I mean you should not be so harsh on these illiterate Powerpuke and Duracrap owners like this,,Think about it,life is tough on them,,Why I mean having 8 cyl and STILL not able to chase our LITTLE underpowered 6 cyl trucks down,,Think of all the self inflicted bodily pain they have,,I mean did you ever notice the bandages on their hands from beating the dash HOPING that will give them the power they need to whip us,,But do not forget the massive concussions their doctors have to treat from banging their heads against the walls after REPEATED THRASHINGS by Cummins owners,,I think we all ought to send them a care package,one full of bandages and free trips to the x-ray room of their nearest hospital,so they can give their doctors a break,,So we should ,as the greatfull bunch of righteous Cummins owners we are,give them a break one day,,After all,would you want some of those fools in our beloved Ram company???,,Oh forgot to say,BREAKS OVER NOW!!,,THE THRASHING WILL CONTINUE NOW!!!,,Please step to the rear now,,I'M FIRST!!!... #ad
------------------
98, Flame Red, Quad Cab, 2500, 4x4, 5spd, Autometer and Cyberdyne gauges,Edelbrock Performer IAS shocks,TST#10 plate,16cm housing, B-D Exhaust Brake,Timing Advanced,K&N,Totally Amsoiled,Cat Muffler and Silencer ring ALL M. I. A. ,A BOMBING IN THE PROCESS!!
#ad------------------
98, Flame Red, Quad Cab, 2500, 4x4, 5spd, Autometer and Cyberdyne gauges,Edelbrock Performer IAS shocks,TST#10 plate,16cm housing, B-D Exhaust Brake,Timing Advanced,K&N,Totally Amsoiled,Cat Muffler and Silencer ring ALL M. I. A. ,A BOMBING IN THE PROCESS!!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2001-05-15-diesel.htm
05/15/2001 - Updated 11:12 AM ET
Diesel-slippers win fans as gas prices soar
By David Kiley, USA TODAY
2001 Volkswagen Jetta: VW sells the only diesel-powered cars in U. S.
DETROIT — Among Volkswagen's hottest-selling models last week were ones that will go the 630 miles from here to New York City on one tank of gas.
They aren't those new-fangled hybrid gas/electric vehicles. They are diesel-powered models that VW has been selling for years, given a new shot of popularity by rising gasoline prices.
VW sold about 24,000 diesel-powered Golf, Jetta and New Beetle cars in the USA last year, about 8% of its total. The company has allotted about the same number for U. S. sales this year, but demand already is at about 12% of VW's total and growing. At that rate, the year's allotment could be gone by midyear.
In April, Golf TDI (for turbocharged direct injection) diesel sales were up 90% from a year earlier, compared with a 17% increase for total Golf sales. Jetta TDI sales were up 5% while total Jetta sales were even. And New Beetle TDI sales were up 5% while overall New Beetle sales were down 10%.
"Ninety percent of the calls we got last week were for TDIs," says Patrick Curley, a sales associate at Howard Cooper Volkswagen/Audi/Porsche in Ann Arbor, Mich. , who says people are drawn to the durability of diesel engines as well as their economy.
VW is the only company selling diesel cars in the USA. General Motors, Ford Motor and Chrysler sell full-size diesel pickups, but they are bought mainly by contractors and trailer towers.
Depending on the model, Volkswagen TDIs get 34 to 42 miles per gallon in the city and up to 50 on the highway. As an added benefit, diesel fuel has been running about 25% cheaper than unleaded gas in most parts of the country.
"Demand for diesels really surges when gas prices go up fast," says VW spokesman Steve Keyes.
Volkswagen TDI buyers are following Europe's lead. About a third of all vehicles sold last year in Europe, where some drivers pay twice as much for gas as U. S. consumers, were diesels. This year, 40% of all sales are expected to be diesel.
The downside of diesel is that it is more polluting than gasoline. Its sulfur content currently is about 500 parts per million, although the Environmental Protection Agency has proposed requiring a reduction to just 15 ppm by 2006. Gasoline has an average of more than 300 ppm with a reduction to 30 ppm proposed by 2004.
A car company must meet an EPA-imposed average corporate emissions limit. That means the average emissions level of all its vehicles combined must be below the limit or the company pays a fine. That keeps VW from selling more diesels in the USA because it would worsen its emissions average.
------------------
1990(140,000 miles), W250, 3. 54, 5spd(replaced on guarantee), new head gasket at 98,000 miles, Reunel winch bumper, extra front and rear leaves, K&M air filter, Stanadyne fuel filter and Performance Formula Fuel Conditioner, Borgeson steering assembly and modified steering box to stiffen the steering, balanced drive shafts fore and aft, driver’s side rubber mat loose to mop up the water that leaks into the cab, CB and 2 meters(KB7VEJ), above the cab aluminum canopy with kayak/canoe rack. It’s a keeper.
05/15/2001 - Updated 11:12 AM ET
Diesel-slippers win fans as gas prices soar
By David Kiley, USA TODAY
2001 Volkswagen Jetta: VW sells the only diesel-powered cars in U. S.
DETROIT — Among Volkswagen's hottest-selling models last week were ones that will go the 630 miles from here to New York City on one tank of gas.
They aren't those new-fangled hybrid gas/electric vehicles. They are diesel-powered models that VW has been selling for years, given a new shot of popularity by rising gasoline prices.
VW sold about 24,000 diesel-powered Golf, Jetta and New Beetle cars in the USA last year, about 8% of its total. The company has allotted about the same number for U. S. sales this year, but demand already is at about 12% of VW's total and growing. At that rate, the year's allotment could be gone by midyear.
In April, Golf TDI (for turbocharged direct injection) diesel sales were up 90% from a year earlier, compared with a 17% increase for total Golf sales. Jetta TDI sales were up 5% while total Jetta sales were even. And New Beetle TDI sales were up 5% while overall New Beetle sales were down 10%.
"Ninety percent of the calls we got last week were for TDIs," says Patrick Curley, a sales associate at Howard Cooper Volkswagen/Audi/Porsche in Ann Arbor, Mich. , who says people are drawn to the durability of diesel engines as well as their economy.
VW is the only company selling diesel cars in the USA. General Motors, Ford Motor and Chrysler sell full-size diesel pickups, but they are bought mainly by contractors and trailer towers.
Depending on the model, Volkswagen TDIs get 34 to 42 miles per gallon in the city and up to 50 on the highway. As an added benefit, diesel fuel has been running about 25% cheaper than unleaded gas in most parts of the country.
"Demand for diesels really surges when gas prices go up fast," says VW spokesman Steve Keyes.
Volkswagen TDI buyers are following Europe's lead. About a third of all vehicles sold last year in Europe, where some drivers pay twice as much for gas as U. S. consumers, were diesels. This year, 40% of all sales are expected to be diesel.
The downside of diesel is that it is more polluting than gasoline. Its sulfur content currently is about 500 parts per million, although the Environmental Protection Agency has proposed requiring a reduction to just 15 ppm by 2006. Gasoline has an average of more than 300 ppm with a reduction to 30 ppm proposed by 2004.
A car company must meet an EPA-imposed average corporate emissions limit. That means the average emissions level of all its vehicles combined must be below the limit or the company pays a fine. That keeps VW from selling more diesels in the USA because it would worsen its emissions average.
------------------
1990(140,000 miles), W250, 3. 54, 5spd(replaced on guarantee), new head gasket at 98,000 miles, Reunel winch bumper, extra front and rear leaves, K&M air filter, Stanadyne fuel filter and Performance Formula Fuel Conditioner, Borgeson steering assembly and modified steering box to stiffen the steering, balanced drive shafts fore and aft, driver’s side rubber mat loose to mop up the water that leaks into the cab, CB and 2 meters(KB7VEJ), above the cab aluminum canopy with kayak/canoe rack. It’s a keeper.
Gee - TWO of the Cummins' I used to drive were V-8's..... a 903 and a little 555 Does Cummins make 6 cyl engines too? I bet they're V-6's!!!! At least my PSD has "The Correct Number of Valves" hehehehe Sweet 16!!! I used to drive a readymix truck with an old 165 HP Cummins, Can't remember displacement, was about a 1965 or '66 vintage. Had a 4-valve head. Didn't really help that weak 165 HP engine pull that 50,000+# truck any better. Even 20 forward gears didn't help!!! Wished I'd a had My V-8 back!!!
DENNY... ... ... ... ...
DENNY... ... ... ... ...
Saw up in the distant a Dodge with a decorative(sp?) reciever hitch plug driving down the interstate. I could distinctly make out the shape of both the blue oval and bowtie! As I got closer I'm think'in, "what the heck is this guy up too!?!"
Finally close enough, I could read scribed accross both of them:
REMOVE BEFORE TOWING!!!!!!
Finally close enough, I could read scribed accross both of them:
REMOVE BEFORE TOWING!!!!!!
DR. E,
Cummins had enough sense to see that the V-8 is too much trouble and doesn't create enough Ft-lbs per Litre without needing some serious engineering. Funny thing, How long did those C's last anyway... . Keep your light duty diesel, compares to VW. Hows 10 MPG anyway, I get mmmmm 24... ...
------------------
Jason Hoffman
93 D250LE CC 5 spd 3. 54 LSD. K&N. Banks Pyro/Boost gauges. E&M Custom seats. Bosch H4, PIAA 80W/80W HdLites. Cummins Power Booster member.
185,000 Km (115,625 Mi)
FOR SALE - 89 D250LE 5 Spd 3. 54 LSD Reg Cab. "tweaked pump", BD Injectors, 3. 5" Exst tail section straight.
237,500 miles (380,000 Kms) 7850 Hrs.
89 Pics/March 2001
Cummins had enough sense to see that the V-8 is too much trouble and doesn't create enough Ft-lbs per Litre without needing some serious engineering. Funny thing, How long did those C's last anyway... . Keep your light duty diesel, compares to VW. Hows 10 MPG anyway, I get mmmmm 24... ...
------------------
Jason Hoffman
93 D250LE CC 5 spd 3. 54 LSD. K&N. Banks Pyro/Boost gauges. E&M Custom seats. Bosch H4, PIAA 80W/80W HdLites. Cummins Power Booster member.
185,000 Km (115,625 Mi)
FOR SALE - 89 D250LE 5 Spd 3. 54 LSD Reg Cab. "tweaked pump", BD Injectors, 3. 5" Exst tail section straight.
237,500 miles (380,000 Kms) 7850 Hrs.
89 Pics/March 2001
Drove the V-8 Cummins 903,the V-8 3608 Cat,The Detroit 90s,and PSD,Duramax.
The 903 was not most powerful and leaked oil,did get good mileage. The year Cummins came out with them Clessie told the engineers in short"they screwed up".
The Cat 3608 was a horse it would outpull,outrun just about everything on the road. Fuel mileage,whats that?They only lasted about 150,000 miles and they would start a self-destruct mode.
The Detroits were noise makers with very little pulling power,they leaked oil,fuel mileage,not great. They would last about 300,000 miles IF you took care of them.
The PSDs are doing just OK,I will say that Ford and Navistar didn't give up on them. Most manufacters would have dumped the combo years ago,when Cummins and Dodge hit the scene. They kept plugging away at the same design until they came up with an engine that rivals the Cummins in stock form.
They,like all V-8s accelerate well.
The Durastrokes have not proven themselves yet. I have only seen a couple on the road. I have driven one(without a load)and must say they do accelerate well. A little high reving for my taste and IMO will not have the longevity because of the higher rpm range. These are nice cars,dressed up as trucks.
In short most of the V-8s and V-6s in diesel apps are great hot-rods. They were made to appease the public,the public has been brainwashed into thinking the V-8 was king over the years. And for horsepower they are! For torque and longevity their not!
I tend to like the rumble of an inline six and the lowend grunt they offer. Proven to last longer than the owner.
------------------
95 Dodge 2500 Luverne grill guard,headache rack,running boards and Amzoiled. Soon to be mildly bombed. 84 Dodge d-150, 318 Hooker headers,Edelbrok intake,mallory ignition,Carter Afb,Accel coil,and Custom dual exhaust. Boat,fifthwheel,motorcycles,and shop. 72000 as of 3/1/01,not even broke in yet. Old Dodge 126000 miles and running better than new.
The 903 was not most powerful and leaked oil,did get good mileage. The year Cummins came out with them Clessie told the engineers in short"they screwed up".
The Cat 3608 was a horse it would outpull,outrun just about everything on the road. Fuel mileage,whats that?They only lasted about 150,000 miles and they would start a self-destruct mode.
The Detroits were noise makers with very little pulling power,they leaked oil,fuel mileage,not great. They would last about 300,000 miles IF you took care of them.
The PSDs are doing just OK,I will say that Ford and Navistar didn't give up on them. Most manufacters would have dumped the combo years ago,when Cummins and Dodge hit the scene. They kept plugging away at the same design until they came up with an engine that rivals the Cummins in stock form.
They,like all V-8s accelerate well.
The Durastrokes have not proven themselves yet. I have only seen a couple on the road. I have driven one(without a load)and must say they do accelerate well. A little high reving for my taste and IMO will not have the longevity because of the higher rpm range. These are nice cars,dressed up as trucks.
In short most of the V-8s and V-6s in diesel apps are great hot-rods. They were made to appease the public,the public has been brainwashed into thinking the V-8 was king over the years. And for horsepower they are! For torque and longevity their not!
I tend to like the rumble of an inline six and the lowend grunt they offer. Proven to last longer than the owner.
------------------
95 Dodge 2500 Luverne grill guard,headache rack,running boards and Amzoiled. Soon to be mildly bombed. 84 Dodge d-150, 318 Hooker headers,Edelbrok intake,mallory ignition,Carter Afb,Accel coil,and Custom dual exhaust. Boat,fifthwheel,motorcycles,and shop. 72000 as of 3/1/01,not even broke in yet. Old Dodge 126000 miles and running better than new.
Alan Reagan
TDR MEMBER
Hey Dr. Evil, was that the V-903 or the VT-903. They put out a lot of those straight 903 engines but they disappeared after about 3 or 4 years. I think Ploof truck lines bought them all. The VT-903 (turbo version) is still in use on all the Coast Guard 41 foot boats. CF is right, leaks oil but the marine version is still in service. Seems like the main place I see the V style engines in in marine generator operations. I think if they are run at constant RPMs they do all right. They are lighter and that application doesn't require the low end torque of a truck. Just stick a big flywheel on there and get it turning.
Last edited by a moderator:
Champa:
You said something about a Cat 3608? Do you mean a 3208. The 3600 series cat has a 12 inch bore and a 12 inch stroke. Thats a little big for a truck. The turbo from one of these 3600 would be a good load for my dodge, I'm talking the compressor housing on the turbo is about 4 foot tall.
Adam
------------------
"POWERSTROKE THIS"
Adam Harman
95 auto red and white #6 tst , eagle alluminum wheels. Stright pipe, Goerend Converter, vb work, 15 degrees timming,ramsey 8000# rear mount winch. Still BOMBING
You said something about a Cat 3608? Do you mean a 3208. The 3600 series cat has a 12 inch bore and a 12 inch stroke. Thats a little big for a truck. The turbo from one of these 3600 would be a good load for my dodge, I'm talking the compressor housing on the turbo is about 4 foot tall.
Adam
------------------
"POWERSTROKE THIS"
Adam Harman
95 auto red and white #6 tst , eagle alluminum wheels. Stright pipe, Goerend Converter, vb work, 15 degrees timming,ramsey 8000# rear mount winch. Still BOMBING
3208 - We hashed that out on fd.com a couple months ago. "Disposable Engine" I've heard them called. Cat DID make a few 3408's which I think was a V-8, 450 to 500 HP truck engine. Most truckers went with the 3406 in-line, around 400 HP 15 yrs ago. To get any more HP from Cummins You had to get a 1150 CID engine. The Cummins 855 topped out at 400 HP, but the Cat had just a little better torque, got just a little better mileage, and parts were Solid Gold!
DENNY... ... ... ... ...
DENNY... ... ... ... ...
JASON - Who's getting 10 MPG? I'm averaging about 18. 65 MPG over the last almost 153,000 miles. You should be happy since your averaging 24! Most Toyota's don't get that! And in Canada to boot! ALAN - Yes, VT-903, 320 HP at 2600 RPM, but governed to only run 2500 RPM, 4. 44 gears with 11-22. 5 tires, 67 MPH truck Up hill and down, and about 4. 25 to 4. 5 MPG depending on load. The little Silver 92 Detroits doing the same work were getting about 5-1/2 MPG. I drove a couple different VT-903's, CO. I drove for had 5 or 6 consecutive Serial Numbered trucks. Dad put almost 400,000 miles on one without the heads or pan ever coming off, short distance local delivery and pumping off loads. Engine had A LOT of hours. My 903 was oil tight, no leaks, until the Co. had to rebuild it. They were terrible at maintainence, 2-3 intake manifold bolts rattled loose, I got caught in a thunderstorn, filled 2 cylinders with water while unloading, Hydraulic'ed the engine, "Mr GOODWRENCH" put in all new bearings, 2 sleeves, pistons & rings and rods in 2 holes. Thing blew oil & didn't run worth a darn after that. I think the whole reason the truck engine Co. make V-8's is because of Weight to HP concerns, Give them enough gears, They'll run! I will agree that they won't hold torque as well as a 6 of similar displacement, but for the most part will be lighter and smoother. QUESTION - CAT make's BIG LOCOMOTIVE diesel engines, 4000 or 5000 HP. They're V-12's right?
DENNY... ... ... ...
DENNY... ... ... ...
Issue 128 – Digital Version
Digital Magazines
FREE!
TDR Test Drive - Digital Edition
Renew
Subscribe
Gift Subscriptions
Back Issues
Subscription Status
Address Change Form
Buyer's Guides
Ram Diagnostic Trouble Codes
The Perfect Collection
The Perfect Collection Vol. II
TSB Updates
Dodge/Cummins Historical Overview
Cameron Collection
What Makes Us Tick?
Product Showcase
Advertising
Turbo Diesel Register
Issue 128 – Digital Version
Digital Magazines
FREE!
TDR Test Drive - Digital Edition
Renew
Subscribe
Gift Subscriptions
Back Issues
Subscription Status
Address Change Form
Buyer's Guides
Ram Diagnostic Trouble Codes
The Perfect Collection
The Perfect Collection Vol. II
TSB Updates
Dodge/Cummins Historical Overview
Cameron Collection
What Makes Us Tick?
Product Showcase
Advertising
