Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Real Life CCW Defensive Shootout!

[crobertson1]

Check out this thread on a 1911 forum:



CCW Holder in Shooting Used a DW CBOB - 1911Forum

 

[PBJ2500CTD]

Ouch!

All I can say is - OUCH! That had to hurt! And - Good job...

 

[TRLRTRSH]

One more reason to maybe push for "open" carry such as we have in Arizona. This may and I repeat mayhave been prevented had BLITZ 308 had his weapon in plain sight. Good luck to Blitz 308 he did his duty even though wounded. CC has it's place but at times I think "open" carry would be more of a deterrent.

 

[JCyrbok]

One more reason to maybe push for "open" carry such as we have in Arizona. This may and I repeat mayhave been prevented had BLITZ 308 had his weapon in plain sight. Good luck to Blitz 308 he did his duty even though wounded. CC has it's place but at times I think "open" carry would be more of a deterrent.

Or he "may" have been the guy that immediately got shot in the back of the head if the guy had seen it. Just another way to look at it (I know that would have happened if I was the bad guy intent on robbing them). Reaction is a lot slower that action. If someone sees you have a gun and is still intent on doing something they will already have the drop on you. Try this with air soft or paint ball (we do it with simutions) try to draw from a holster and deliver affective fire on someone that already has a gun pointed at you, 99. 9 times out of 100 the bad guy comes out ahead. CC, in my opinion lessens the gap as the bad guy has to react more to the "shock" of "oh crap that guy has a gun. "



Obviously some "minor" league criminal will likley bypass a OC person but a guy like the bad guy in the article would likely not have been effected by the fact that someone was armed. He got the "better" of the firefire in my opinion as he was able to get three shots on target out of a revolver, likely as because he was in action mode and not reaction mode. Just something to thing about.



I dont know if any studies have been conducted about the effect that OC has on on crime vs CC. I know that CC has been shown to deter crime.



In the end the good guy won and exercised his 2nd amendment rights very well, so I am not in any way saying that is not the case. We have OC here in MI (I carry concealed every day and acutally carry open too at work, LOL). From my professional viewpoint I just see more problems with OC vs CC for defensive purposes.



J-



edit: as of Feb 09 there were only 6 states that did NOT allow OC of handguns. I'm guessing that number is less now amost a year later.

 

[TRLRTRSH]

JC :Or he "may" have been the guy that immediately got shot in the back of the head if

Good point, I guess we'll never know. Here in Arizona during the "warm" months CC is darn near impossible or at least in my case anyway, I go around half naked

 

[crobertson1]

I thought it was awesome that the ARCOM guys chipped in and bought him a new pistol ( a high dollar one too).

 

[AMink]

And that, my friends, is why it is so important to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights. Blitz's insight to the whole situation is outstanding. The odds of three hands getting shot is bizarre! I often go over situations in my mind of what I would do in some weird situations. Now it doesn't seem so odd. I'd love to read more first hand encounter stories with more details than the local news rag provides. Does anyone know of a book or site that has this kind of info?

 

[AMink]

JC :Or he "may" have been the guy that immediately got shot in the back of the head if



Good point, I guess we'll never know. Here in Arizona during the "warm" months CC is darn near impossible or at least in my case anyway, I go around half naked

I run into the same thing in Nevada. Winter is easy, though you need to be careful about having too much clothing in the way of a draw. Summertime is hard to hide anything. I wear shorts a lot, but t-shirts just don't hide a paddle holster. I just picked up a pocket holster and am seeing how that works out.

 

[JCyrbok]

And that, my friends, is why it is so important to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights. Blitz's insight to the whole situation is outstanding. The odds of three hands getting shot is bizarre! I often go over situations in my mind of what I would do in some weird situations. Now it doesn't seem so odd. I'd love to read more first hand encounter stories with more details than the local news rag provides. Does anyone know of a book or site that has this kind of info?

Not really. If you think about it in a situation like that you focus on the threat. The threat is the gun and the gun in the hand. When you are in a CQB shoot out you shoot where you are looking and are focused (goes the same for the bad guy too). I have seen more than my fair share of people (mostly bad guy vs bad guy) shot in the hand during shoots outs.



When we qualify at work there are a couple of guys that even with the paper bad guy targets that end up with a tight grouping that centers around the gun hand of the guy as that it what their focus and concentration is drawn to.



J-

 

[JCyrbok]

I run into the same thing in Nevada. Winter is easy, though you need to be careful about having too much clothing in the way of a draw. Summertime is hard to hide anything. I wear shorts a lot, but t-shirts just don't hide a paddle holster. I just picked up a pocket holster and am seeing how that works out.

My summer time (and increasingly more frequent) carry gun in a SW 340PD snubby . 357 in an pocket holster. Carry it in my front pants pocket both on (plain clothes detective) and off duty and occasionally in my back pocket if I an doing something UC at work. I carry it that way in jeans, shorts, dress pants etc all with out problems. I have even put it in my pocket and went running when if I am out of town for training or vacation and am unsure of the neighborhood, LOL



J-

 

[AMink]

Not really. If you think about it in a situation like that you focus on the threat. The threat is the gun and the gun in the hand. When you are in a CQB shoot out you shoot where you are looking and are focused (goes the same for the bad guy too). I have seen more than my fair share of people (mostly bad guy vs bad guy) shot in the hand during shoots outs.



When we qualify at work there are a couple of guys that even with the paper bad guy targets that end up with a tight grouping that centers around the gun hand of the guy as that it what their focus and concentration is drawn to.



J-

That was brought up in the link too. It's just amazing that the first time the OP was hit in the hand, it was a grazing gut shot (no aiming to speak of), then the other two were probably threat focus shots, one by the BG and one by the original poster. Quite the read.

 

[magothy1]

Sure was a good read, the guy is great at calmly telling the story so we can learn from it. Thanks for the posting.

 

[Flinty]

More on this here:



For those of you who have been in gunfights or multiple scrapes, a few questions for you please - AR15. COM

 

[crobertson1]

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[crobertson1]

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