Rebuilt Cummins

[silkey]

i consider reman and rebuilt the same thing. unless it is a new part with a reman sticker placed on it,it is still rebuilt. i worked in a machine shop years ago and i hated to see the remaned ford truck pull up to the door. some people thought if a factory did it ,then it just had to be better. we would try to tell them we could do a better job,but some people just have to go that way. just about every ford head was either cracked at the valve seat and redone with a pin at the end of the crack and then bronzed over or the seat fell out and they would just jam a new one in its place with no concern about a quality job. just patch and go. of course about 80% of them would come back in about 6 months and then we would have to repair a head we would have thrown out anyway. remember a remaned part has already failed someone earlier,usually under warrenty.

 

[DPKetchum]

Thats the LOW end/cheap/junk reman stuff. Various qualitys of REMANS out there. Reman and REBUILT are NOT the same at all. All engines and other various items are remaned including AIRCRAFT. I worked in the REMAN industary. Some is junk. Some is as good or better then new. Some of the better then is when items are weak in a intial design and repaired to better in a reman process. Look at all JASPER sells and remans. Earth mover parts/loader/crane stuff/over the road diesels etc. Very high quality. Just a example.

 

[67guzzler]

I'm with the other guys. Tell them to take the truck back.



I've been reading this poor guys posts from the beginning and I just shake my head. Is it me? Doesn't this seem outrageous? Taking a rebuilt / remanufactured / used / whatever you want to call it on your new truck with 3000 miles. I can't get over it. That's unbelieveable.



Every state has variances in their lemon laws but the point of the lemon laws is universal. The purpose of these laws is to revoke acceptance of a vehicle after you have physically accepted it based upon the discovery of a latent manufacture's defect that either 1) puts the vehicle out of service for a specified period of time OR if 2) the defect reduces the market value of the vehicle. Either is adequate. Depending on the laws of your state, you can argue number 1 -- from the sound of it and the number of days you've been out of service, this would probably apply. Number 2 is a slam dunk as I wouldn't want to buy your truck at any price with a reman / used / rebuilt engine.



I'd be yelling and screaming till the cows come home. This is nutz!

 

[MACHINEST]

I think the harder times get the more DC tries to put it on there customers,,,#1 a recon motor is cheeper than a new motor... Also on recon motors they weld the cracks in the heads,valve guides if needed,and who is to say that,your getting old valve seats with a gillion miles on them,cam shafts are SPRAY WELDED up,Cranks shafts are spray welded up,And who is to say you woln't get a crank with no more grind on it?Maybe you will get a block with max bore in it,when your outa warranty,the only thing left is sleeves,it goes on and on... 3000 miles,i would want a new motor... or another truck... . I hope all turns out well for you...

 

[DPKetchum]

Bet CUMMINS supplys them. I'd ask THEM.

 

[Will24]

If it is a remanufactured engine, I'll guarantee it's a cummins Recon.



The recon motors are generally VERY well built, I have yet to see any major problems with any of them.



On that note... Pretty much any new truck (less than 20k or so) that comes in with engine problems in the shop I work in (Cummins Power Systems), gets a NEW service replacement off of the assembly line. As miles build (100k or above), I guarantee a truck will see a recon motor, which you pretty much cannot distinguish from a new motor, inside or out.





-Will

 

[rbattelle]

I'm no expert, but I'd trust any engine remanufactured by Cummins. In fact, I'd probably trust any engine rebuilt by Cummins, too. They don't seem to mess around.



I agree with DPKetchum's definition of reman vs. rebuilt. Having said that, if I knew a machinist and trusted him to do engine rebuilds, I might let him rebuilt an engine for me if the price was decent.



Will24, I know the B5. 9s are not sleeved, so do they bore them oversize during a Cummins reman?



I really wish our engines were sleeved. Oh well, maybe there's some engineering reason they're not.



-Ryan

 

[nickleinonen]

Will24, I know the B5. 9s are not sleeved, so do they bore them oversize during a Cummins reman?

depends on cylinder condition. if there is little to no wear, they might just hone the cylinders to break the glaze in them and re-ring the pistons and start from there. if there is minor scoring, they can bore them out a few times during rebuilds. if there is major scoring, then maybe one rebore or bore it out big and sleeve it to oem size. the service manual in the engine rebuilding sections has the specs on what the engine can be bored out to

I really wish our engines were sleeved. Oh well, maybe there's some engineering reason they're not.

price, weight, cylinder cooling. big 3 reasons. having an engine with replaceable liners costs more. with dry liners, not so much more, but engine cooling can be compromized if the fit between the liner and block isn't good. a liner engine also weights more. now if they were wet liners or mid-stop liners, they would again be expensive, more chances to have leaking of water into the crankcase, and not be cost effective. most b series owners in pickup trucks and off road equipment, if they loose an engine, the change it out. there would be too much downtime to have removed from the vehicle and stripped down to pull the liners and clean everything and reassemble it. while it isn't a cheap engine to buy new or rebuilt, it is much cheaper than the OTR truck engines that can cost more than what our trucks are total when buying the engine for them alone. and they need to last +1,000,000. at that milage, out trucks are worn out and need replacing.

 

[DPKetchum]

ALL remans I have ever deldt with were bored to the next smallest size possable no matter what condition to start with. The quality companys use to pistons no matter the condition. Some are far better quality then O. E. I sold Ford 300 sixes to Delta. They WANTED remans over new. The 300 spark knocked and over time put holes in pistons. The aftermarket pistons were thicker in the dome area and far outlasted O. E. The 300 six was in most of their ground equipment. They were PICKY PICKY(Delta)and only bought high quality remans and wanted them at random opened up with THEM standing over the shoulders of the supplier so ALL could inspect and check clearances etc.

 

[67guzzler]

Remans / Rebuilt / New / Old / Junk Yard -- To me the problem is still the same. I got a brand new truck and I'm supposed to trust the "technicians" at my local Dodge Dealership (read: dealer, not manufacturer) to put it in? There won't be any vibration problems? They won't break any of the accessories? They won't cause me to have electrical gremlins down the road? My A/C unit won't leak refridgerant because they kinked a hose causing a microscopic crack? There won't be a belt shredding problem because they misaligned the power steering pullys? No -- they know what they're doing. I won't have any of these problems.



Right.



I'd want a new truck or a 100% refund.

 

[DPKetchum]

CHEZZ. If a decent tech you won't know its been done. ask service mzanager and talk to the tech. Others have had motors done at the DEALER on this site and couldn't tell a bolt was turned. These trucks are EASY motor R&R. Look under the hood of a 6. 0 Ford. Or a Nissan 300ZX etc. I had techs that could do late model 300Zxs and Caddys and you NEVER new! A 6. 0 ford requies engine R&R to pull HEADS. To pull motor they say remove CAB first!

 

[67guzzler]

DP don't misunderstand. I'm not saying the job is tough. I'm saying I don't trust them to do this job.



I agree -- under the hood the 6. 0 Powerstroke is a mess. My neighbor has a beautiful F250 crewcab 4x4 in red w/graphics, etc... Beautiful truck -- until you open the hood.



I love that about the CTD -- big clean I-6 design is a thing of beauty.



So please don't misunderstand. I'm not saying the job is tough. I'm saying I don't trust the Dodge service departments to do this (any?) job. Basically, there a lot of steps and they can either do all of them right or mess at least one of them up. The odds are in favor of them messing something up.



From what I've seen, the less trips to the dealer the better. I've had great luck with all my vehicles doing my own maintenance. The less trips under the "care" of the dealer the better.

 

[DaveK98]

My dealer just cleaned my entire fuel system out because of water in diesel.



When they were working on it they squished the top fins of the ac condensor. I've been very careful not to do this and in one second they mess it all up. After only having the fuel system worked on I don't feel like it's a new truck anymore with 4k miles on it.



I feel for you!

 

[Kirwin]

Cummins reman

I couldn't find a used engine when I converted my Ramcharger so I bought a reman engine directly from Cummins. I've got 120K on it and so far not one issue. It came with a 2 year unlimited milage warranty by CUMMINS and I didn't have to use it once. Ken Irwin

 

[rbattelle]

DP don't misunderstand. I'm not saying the job is tough. I'm saying I don't trust them to do this job.

I generally agree with you, JGann. If I lived near someone like Sag2 or Tomeygun or if DPKetchum were still in the business, it'd be a different story. But my local dealer lost my trust. I've heard great things about the diesel shop at a dealer in Columbus... but that's 90 minutes North of here. There are some great dealers out there... just not here.



It all comes down to this: you are the only person on Earth who cares about your equipment.



-Ryan

 

[67guzzler]

It all comes down to this: you are the only person on Earth who cares about your equipment.



-Ryan

Amen, brother!



What's this "generally" crap?

 

[sag2]

I know our trucks cost a lot of money, but sometimes I think we get a little too attached to them. If you think about it, they are just a bunch of iron and plastic. You can argue that DC should replace the truck, or at least put in a line engine, but the bottom line it they are not going to. There is nothing wrong with the Cummins reman engine, and hey, DC is on the hook for another 95,000 miles of warranty. Just because you had trouble does not mean the truck is any less valuable, or will not perform or last as long. I have great confidence in most technicians, and unfortunately we only hear about the bad ones. There are many very qualified diesel technicians in DC stores. And what's the difference between a reman and a line engine replacement? Either way, a bunch of stuff has to be removed/replaced to change one.

I may not be walking a mile in your shoes, but as I get older I try to remember that it's just a truck, and will probably be replaced sooner than later anyway. (with a newer and improved model)

 

[MCervinka]

Thank you for all your replys.



I did get a reman and will keep all up to date on how the truck does. I hope there are no more problems.

 

[JPortolese]

Yes, dealer installed new shortblock. I have brought it back the engine seems to be surging. Dealer says no faults. Anybody recommend what I should do?

 

[Mundgyver]

Surging when?? Under constant, one position throttle, cruise on or off?? Automatic, manual??