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Why screw around with retreads

I just checked my tires yesterday. I'm within a couple hundred miles of 69K on my virgin Mich XDE M/S 245's and I've got 12/32nd's left on 5 of the 6. Not sure why the 6th is an oddball... That means I've used up exactly 1/2 of the legal tread life in 69K!!!!!!!!!!!! :--) UNBELIEVEABLE since I haul absurdly heavy half the time compared to what most of you will ever think about touching. If you're really worried about tread life go 19. 5". I'm on track to get damn near 4X the tread life for 2X the tire cost. Pays for the rims and tires in the life of the truck and you never have to worry about it.
 
Amazing mileage on your new 19.5's

Cattletrkr said:
I just checked my tires yesterday. I'm within a couple hundred miles of 69K on my virgin Mich XDE M/S 245's and I've got 12/32nd's left on 5 of the 6. Not sure why the 6th is an oddball... That means I've used up exactly 1/2 of the legal tread life in 69K!!!!!!!!!!!! :--) UNBELIEVEABLE since I haul absurdly heavy half the time compared to what most of you will ever think about touching. If you're really worried about tread life go 19. 5". I'm on track to get damn near 4X the tread life for 2X the tire cost. Pays for the rims and tires in the life of the truck and you never have to worry about it.



Wow, that's a great testimony on why any Ram Truck should consider 19. 5's - you said it perfectly.



Your title said "why screw around with retreads" - I don't acutally do that but I know what you mean - OK here's why I 'drive on retreads' - they cost half or less of new. Simple. And they're just as good in many respects - but you'd have to do some research perhaps, to come to that conclusion -why I included the Michelin Medium Duty Retread Link. Here it is again:



http://www.michelintruck.com/michelintruck/productguide/retread/Retread.jsp



New 19. 5's are usually what $ 275-300 per tire - which when combined with the high rim cost, puts it out of reach of many. Getting decent 19. 5's for $ 125 ea first, then $ 90 ea if retread later make it way more affordable !



I am actually MORE satisifed with how these XDC Michelin Retread's drive than with the former NEW Bridgestone M724s - by a large margin, in fact. They're more stable, and perform far better in the wet, and cost less than half.



Now, if you tow and haul for a living, certain costs are a given so 'new tire' prices are factored in, so you just pay them.



But consider that once your 19. 5's are 'worn out', they're not really - just the tread is worn down. The casing on a 19. 5 is designed from the start to be retreaded up to 3 times - so if you just toss 'em - somebody else can benefit by harvesting the the value of the casing by applying new tread - and now the casing can continue to provide the value it was designed to again & again.



I was told at the shop that sold them that many delivery vans, tow trucks and RV's get these units - he said I was the first guy with a Dodge Ram light truck to fit them he'd seen - but he admitted he's put 'em on plenty of Ford F-450's and 550's service body trucks - which are pretty close in design & weight to our heavy Rams.



He didn't blink at putting them in the steer position - one guy said something, and I said, Yeah, I live in the mountains, want mud & snow traction, and I'm 4 wheel drive, so when you put 'em on the front, though they are on a steer axle, they're also on a 'drive axle'.



Anyhow, I didn't write this but in reply to the fellow who wanted badly to be convinced to try 19. 5's but his wife wouldn't cotton to the cost - it might work for him this way !



I did start another thread in the "Products/Accessories Forum" with this same report on my high satisfaction with the Michelin Factory Retread 19. 5's - just so others can hear about an option they might have overlooked.



Good to hear of your experience with towing heavy on 19. 5's !



David B. ;)
 
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Convinced!

O. K. , Dave and others, you got me. I'm convinced. ONly I didn't order the Michelins - I got the Hankooks in 245 R70 19. 5, which hopefully will wear as well. If not, well, Michelins next time. The tires are a bit more than the ones mentioned however, and I saw one report where somebody didn't get more than 60K or so out of 'em. Either way, that's 30K more than I'm getting out of my OEMs. So I'm a happy camper. Or will be when they arrive! Thanks again! I'm $2700 poorer and the wife hasn't figured it out. Yet. But she will! :{ And then she'll go down and spend on equal amount on something for her and I'll be that much more in the hole. Oh, well, it's only money. :rolleyes:
 
Well, I guess its too late now. But in case someone else is wanting to avoid:

But $3500 for wheels and tires would be tough to explain to mein frau



Heck, I can take the "explaining" part, I sort of have this off/on switch when it comes to listening ;)



Unfortunately, she has an off/on switch too, if you get my drift. :eek: :-laf



I was going to suggest watching the classifieds or ebay for 19. 5 wheel and tires. I got mine with an almost brand new (2K) DRW set of Hankook 225 70 19. 5s for $1K and an extra set of OEM 17s wheels/tires that I had from the 04.



I've been plenty happy with how the Hankooks performed this winter with 6K of northwest WY driving.
 
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Tires on eBay

You can bet I will be watching eBay for 19. 5" tires from now on. Best kept "secret" this side of, well, who knows what side? I've bought stuff on eBay before, just not tires (or tyres for you Brits on the board). I'm looking forward to trying the Hankooks, just never heard of 'em until Heather at Rickson recommended 'em. She certainly seems like a knowlegeable person.
 
When I bought my '92 it had recaps on the back. Mud/snow very aggressive. One of them came off a couple weeks after I bought the truck. An employee was driving it. Just about had a heart attack. Tore the fender braces off and the tailpipe mount. I'd avoid unless you are getting mud/snows for slow winter driving and off road use.
 
I'm about ready for my 4th set on my '05. I move trailers and I am leased on to a Drive-Away company. I just tripped 240,000 and I am averaging about 80K on a swet of 6. I had General Ameritrac as the OEM tire and I replaced with 2 sets of the same.
 
I use recaps on both of my 3500's one is on the secound set the other is on the 4th. I love them. They cost less then half as much as new tires. I have had one fail but it wasn't the cap seperating. It was the shell blowing apart. That could be blamed on the shell being older that if I bought new. But it may not of been to blame. It was a front left that blew at 85-90 mph. :D Even on 3 corners the truck handled fine. I drive alot so the cost savings is worth it to me.



This is where I get mine

http://www.high-tec-retreading.com/
 
Congrats Jeremiah on the 19. 5 deal - you won't likely be sorry. Which Hankooks ? I was fixing to get 'em, too - they appear to be the best value on new ones. I thought the Hankook DH-01 design looked best for my needs. For me it was economics - like a couple of the next gentlemen who posted said.



If you run lots of miles, maybe keeping your own casings is the ticket, so you can know for sure exactly how old they are... I think they said casings can be retreaded 3 times over 5 years, but they don't retread 'em if they're over 5 years old or weatherchecked or otherwise damaged... . good to hear all the other stories out there !



David B.
 
If I had a flatbed I'd probably put retreads on the rear. I'm not so worried about loosing a tire as I am about paying for all the stuff that'll go with it. Fenders, wiring, etc.
 
Do you think the disintegration of a recap happens so fast that it can't be noticed or felt with enough warning to pull over ?



Just curious -



Maybe I feel safer with a SRW, so no rear fender to get smashed if there was too little warning.



David B.
 
I had a recap peel on a front end of a ranch Ford I was running down the hwy. Bang, bang, bang, bang, as it beat upon that old Ford something fierce. Scaried the bejeezus out of me since I was just a pup out of high school. Got out and looked but couldn't figure out what had happened (I'd stopped with the peel in place). Off I go again until bang, bang, bang, bang. This time I figured it out.



I use to run bandags on my michelin and bridgestone 7. 50 x 16s carcasses. Never had any problems, BUT that truck had 4. 55/4. 56s so cruising speed was 55mph. Now I figure the cost savings of running recaps is not worth the risk to me, my loved ones, or the truck.



PS: I have the Hankook DH01 on the drivers and the AH06s on the steers.
 
Ol'TrailDog said:
PS: I have the Hankook DH01 on the drivers and the AH06s on the steers.



Help me out, TrailDog, why are you running different tires on the front and rear? I have DH01s ordered for all four corners. Did I screw up?
 
I picked this set of wheels and tires up off the TDR classifieds. The price was right and they were local (Helena) so I could drive over and pick them up. They came with the AH06s. I suppose if I had purchased them I would have gone with DH01 all the way around since I have a 4x4 and always have run the same tires front and back. (But the previous owner had a 4x4 DRW also. ) He mentioned that he had run Goodyears on the previous truck he had with Rickson 19. 5s.



I can only guess that possibly he found it was easier to keep the AH06s balanced. I know some folks have problems getting the fronts running balanced when they go to a 19. 5 of any brand. These Hankooks definately run smoother than either the 255 85 16s Truxxus that came on the 97 or the 235 80 17s Goodyear GSAs off the 04. Plus, I figure he figured the highway tread would not cup like a lot of 4x4 fronts do. Also, I figure he looked at all the delivery trucks and OTR rigs that run the commercial grade tires with steer tread on the front
 
Ol'TrailDog said:
I picked this set of wheels and tires up off the TDR classifieds. The price was right and they were local (Helena) so I could drive over and pick them up. They came with the AH06s. I suppose if I had purchased them I would have gone with DH01 all the way around since I have a 4x4 and always have run the same tires front and back. (But the previous owner had a 4x4 DRW also. ) He mentioned that he had run Goodyears on the previous truck he had with Rickson 19. 5s.



I can only guess that possibly he found it was easier to keep the AH06s balanced. I know some folks have problems getting the fronts running balanced when they go to a 19. 5 of any brand. These Hankooks definately run smoother than either the 255 85 16s Truxxus that came on the 97 or the 235 80 17s Goodyear GSAs off the 04. Plus, I figure he figured the highway tread would not cup like a lot of 4x4 fronts do. Also, I figure he looked at all the delivery trucks and OTR rigs that run the commercial grade tires with steer tread on the front



Cool! That makes me feel better. I kinda wish I'd ordered the forged aluminum wheels instead of steel painted powder gray. Since the factory hubcap will be used and it's grey, seems like the entire while will look too gray. But we'll see. Forged aluminum is a lot more money and the best advice I received was that they aren't worth it unless you're willing to pay for looks.
 
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Jeremiah and O'l trail Dog:



You're both going to be happy with the improvement the 19. 5's make - the wheel details is just appearance, which though important, is ultimately secondary to the function. Plus with gray you'll have your own look no one else will !



[If you want to see a picture anyhow, go check out my thread where I talk about "satisfied with 19. 5 retreads" in the Products & Accessories Forum - a fellow from Utah posted a pic of his Rickson aluminum wheels - they look nice, but not nice enough for me to part with another $ 1200 !]



One thing is sure, that the increase in your trucks capability overall, and your comfort & safety is assured. As soon as my 19. 5's hit the ground 5 years ago, I said, why on earth didn't it come from the factory this way ???



In comparison, 10 ply LR 'E' tires will seem like gussied up 'car tires', wheras the 19. 5's are the real deal - a OTR heavy truck tire designed to run hard and run long - handling any load the truck will with aplomb !



Note too, how 'tire guys' who glance at your rig will take a second

glance and the chat will begin... .



Have fun & drive safe,



David B



PS: Ol Trail Dog: mind saying how much the used 19. 5's were - just curious.....
 
Wow, Dave, that's a great recommendation! You work for Rickson? :) Just kidding, of course. Thanks for the comments. That's what I thought too (about buying aluminum). I like good looks but I'm after performance first. I'm already getting 20 mpg on my '03 3500 SRW and hope to get a bit of an increase since the rear end ratio will drop from 3. 73 to around 3. 58 (or so Heather at Rickson says). But we'll see. Some folks say they got an increase, others say they didn't. Perhaps the additional weight will cancel out the increase.
 
DBazley said:
Do you think the disintegration of a recap happens so fast that it can't be noticed or felt with enough warning to pull over ?



The only two recaps I've ever used were on my trailer. Neither of them lasted much over 1K. Since I've never had any problems with virgin tires at all, I blame the recaps themselves, not tire pressure or whatever else. Maybe the casings were bad, but I don't make that determination, the recapper does.



When they went it was just a shotgun blast and pieces everywhere. No warning. I don't know which part went first but the whole tire exploded. On one, about all that was left was the bead and a few small pieces.



If it was indeed the casing, not the cap, it doensn't change my opinion. I don't think recaps work on smaller tires. My trailer tires are 235/75/17. 5. Maybe 19. 5's would be better. I'm just too chicken to find out the hard way.
 
You may have something here....

Cattletrkr wrote:



I don't think recaps work on smaller tires. My trailer tires are 235/75/17. 5. Maybe 19. 5's would be better. I'm just too chicken to find out the hard way. [/QUOTE]





I'm under a similar impression, and I think it was somewhere on the Michelin truck Retread page that it emphasized (wait, it might have been on www.retread.org), anyhow, what you just said there - that recapping works much more effectively on medium & heavy duty truck tires - than it every could on smaller and lighter car and light truck tires - their casings are not designed anywhere near the strength and have too much flex - eventually allowing the tread to come loose.



On the Medium & Heavy duty tires, the technology is better and the casings are specifically designed to be retreaded - that's why frequently they say 'regroovable' on them.



I believe the physical reason has something to do with the amount of heat build up in the new tread and the weight of the tread versus the casings.



One case in point, a trucker who saw my tires remarked, 'hey buddy, you can load your truck to it's max, and it wont' even begin to stress those tires - heck those things are sleepin' under your Ram truck wheelwells... ' :D



I think he had a point: If UPS puts 'em on fully loaded vans that run hundreds of miles per day, and gets good service, what can a comparatively lightly loaded Ram truck do to harm them or stress them to the breaking point ?



If necessity is the mother of invention, then the OTR industry need has given birth to the effort to make tire life economical and maximize lifespans on casings - and it may be that only a Ram with a 19. 5 conversion is able to take advantage of this development driven by the OTR industry.



Food for thought, in any case.



Drive safe and take care,



David B. :)
 
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