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There has been a lot of misconceptions and misinformation posted on different threads about the regeneration process on the Dodge Ram Pick-Up with the Cummins 6. 7 liter engine. In an effort to try to correct this misinformation is the reason for this post.

This post will pertain to the Pick-Up with the Cummins ISB 6. 7 liter. Although the Cab and Chassis model is similar, some of parameters for regeneration are different.

Regeneration is the process where soot particles trapped by the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) are burned into ash. This process involves a lot of different components as well as a program in the ECM triggered by the pressure differential sensor or by an internal counter. I'll explain the different components and more about the counter later in this post.

First, there are three types of regeneration - Passive, Active and Manuel:



• Passive regeneration can occur when the engine is operating under load conditions that generate high enough exhaust temperatures to oxidize the soot particles trapped in the DPF

• Active Regeneration occurs when the exhaust temperature is insufficient to achieve passive Regeneration. Under certain conditions the ECM can automatically activate the fuel injectors to raise the exhaust temperature to achieve a successful Regeneration while the vehicle is in motion. The ECM activates the injectors post-combustion.

• Manuel Regeneration can be performed with a Scan tool or some of the Aftermarket performance programmers have the ability to perform Regeneration.

The ECM will start the Regeneration process of the DPF if the soot load exceeds a calibrated value. On Dodge Ram Pick-up that calibrated value is 47 grams of soot. The ECM determines the soot load of the DPF based on the voltage output of the pressure differential sensor. Or the ECM has an internal counter that runs anytime the engine is running. This counter is engine RPM and exhaust temperature dependent, so the more RPM the engine is turning or the higher the exhaust temperature, the faster the counter runs. When this counter reaches 24000, or the DPF reaches a soot load of 47 grams, the ECM will try to activate the Regeneration process. This is the Active part of the regeneration process.

There are four different diesel emissions, Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx), Oxides of sulfur (SOx), Particulate Matter (soot) and Hydrocarbons (in the form of unburned fuel). With a scan tool there are five modes of regeneration we can monitor:

• Normal : There engine is operating in normal condition,

• De-soot : The ECM is performing a regeneration of the DPF

• De-SOx: The ECM is in a regeneration event and is performing a sulfur oxidation process.

• De-NOx: The ECM is in the process of desorption and regeneration of the NAC, (Nox Absorber Catalyst) although a De-NOx event can happen shortly after regeneration, it is independent of regeneration.

• HC-Desorp: This is a process of the ECM to get rid of excess hydrocarbons, in the form of unburned diesel fuel, in the exhaust system. This is a process that most vehicles will not see very often. ( I'll address this process in another post, It is a issue in and of itself)

So with that said, the two processes that are involved in a regeneration event are, De-soot and De-SOx. Before we get into the regeneration processes I must mention the exhaust temperature is the main determiner of regeneration. The oxidation of diesel particulate matter (soot) begins at 1025 degrees Fahrenheit, oxides of sulfur (SOx) oxidation begins at 1185 degrees Fahrenheit. For this reason alone, since a lot of vehicles never get worked hard enough to raise the exhaust temperature high enough to reach the threshold, a passive regeneration will never be achieved. These vehicles will have to depend on the active regeneration process.



A De-NOx event, the process of NOx desorption, requires a exhaust temperature of approximately 500 degrees Fahrenheit. This process also requires the absence of oxygen in the exhaust system. For this reason the ECM will momentarily dump EGR gases and sometime fuel down the exhaust to displace the oxygen in the exhaust. This process only takes 5-10 seconds. The timing for a De-NOx event is based on an algorithm that takes engine run time, engine load, engine temperature and fuel rate to determine how often to perform a De-NOx event. This is the reason for the O2 sensors up-stream and down-stream of the NAC.



A De-SOx event during a regeneration process has a trigger of 4. 5 grams of SOx. In other words when the ECM sees a SOx load of 4. 5 grams, again based on an algorithm that uses engine run time, engine load, engine temperature, fuel rate and also ambient temperature, to determine the SOx load in the NAC.



When either of the triggers reach there threshold, 47 grams of soot or the internal ECM counter reaches 24000, the ECM will try to initiate regeneration. Once the engine reaches operating temperature and the vehicle speed is sufficient the ECM will enable the De-soot portion of the regeneration process. The internal counter will start at 24000 and continue to count up until the exhaust temperature reaches approximately 850 degrees Fahrenheit. Then the counter will start to count down. The ECM will set the VGT slide ring at 12% (88% boost), this is why you will feel a slight performance difference. Also the ECM will start to add fuel post combustion. The EGR valve will set closed. The DOC (diesel oxidation catalyst) will start the fuel burn and as it continues down the exhaust stream the NAC will aid in bringing the exhaust temperature up to approximately 1175 degrees Fahrenheit. The particulate matter will begin to oxidize and turn into ash. When the counter get to about 11000, depending on the soot load, the ECM will switch over to the De-SOx mode. In the De-SOx mode the EGR valve will open and resume normal operation. The VGT slide ring resumes normal operation and operates at the 50-70% position. The ECM will continue to try to raise the exhaust temperature with post combustion fuel injections until the exhaust temperature reaches approximately 1250 degrees Fahrenheit. All of this is variable, if the soot load is high and the SOx load is at the trigger point, the ECM will keep it in the De-soot mode longer and the De-SOx mode for less time. If the vehicle is stopped the ECM will try to start the regeneration process again when the vehicle is restarted. It will continue to try and do regenerations until the process is completed.



Next up…. When Stuff Goes wrong!! :eek: Mike
 
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way to go!

I for one, really appreciate your info. We have no idea what is true or false after a trip to the dealership. You really make a difference in my attitude toward these 6. 7 monsters cuz I'm learning stuff--you done good Mike
 
You have an amazing understanding of the process Mike. How did you develop such an understanding of the process?



Sarge
 
As above; thank you for the information. However, it is the reason for the only and ALL problems I have had in 18K miles. After all the so called "fixes" and flashes. . This regen system dilutes my oil, there is no way to tell you are in regen which causes incomplete regens, short trips are a killer with this once fine machine, i could go on and on. As far as Im concerned the Gov EPA has ruined a once exceptional deisel system. Is there a state you can move to that allows you to take all this crap off your truck? I would actually consider moving there just for that. Makes me mad.
 
Thanks guys, after three year of nothing but 6. 7 liter repairs ,every now and then a little knowledge sticks to the gray matter.



Mike
 
As above; thank you for the information. However, it is the reason for the only and ALL problems I have had in 18K miles. After all the so called "fixes" and flashes. . This regen system dilutes my oil, there is no way to tell you are in regen which causes incomplete regens, short trips are a killer with this once fine machine, i could go on and on. As far as Im concerned the Gov EPA has ruined a once exceptional deisel system. Is there a state you can move to that allows you to take all this crap off your truck? I would actually consider moving there just for that. Makes me mad.



I'll cover this in my" When Stuff goes wrong post"...



More to come...



Mike
 
Very informative write-up! I'm assuming 24,000 is seconds or about 6. 66 hours? If thats max. time I wonder what min. would be?
 
It's not a timer, it's just a counter. The speed at which it counts is varible dependant on engine RPM and exhaust temps. There is no minimum, once it gets to 24000 or when the soot load gets to 47 grams the ECM will try to enable regeneration.



Mike
 
Thanks for the clarification. Just curious if you ever saw any high milage 6. 7's. My concern with my new 09 is durability & reliability. Your knowledge of the emission systems is very enlightening.
 
182k miles is as high mileage as I have seen so far, As far as durabilty and reliabilty proper maintenance is the key. I know that sounds like a "canned" answer,but it is the answer that "fits". I will elaborate in my "When Stuff Goes Wrong" Thread I'm working on now. Stay Tuned, Don't change that channel... (sorry,had a flashback)



Mike
 
Mike,

I too echo the many thanks. Your understanding of the system and ability to articulate it to us is truly appreciated - keep up the great work!
 
Mike,

Thanks for a great explanation of a complicated process. I'm on the road in MN, using a friend's computer and don't have time to thoroughly read and think about it but I'll be reading and studying it when I return home.
 
at least its cooler there in MN. than here, it actually rained a little in austin yesterday to settle the dust



Everything is burnt up here,



Austin Diesel
 
Thanks for the clarification. Just curious if you ever saw any high milage 6. 7's. My concern with my new 09 is durability & reliability. Your knowledge of the emission systems is very enlightening.







Had a 2007 Cab/Chassis come in today with 226,846 miles on it. All it needed was the exhaust pressure sensor and the tube to the pressure sensor cleaned and a reflash.



Mike
 
Mike,

I'm back home in West TX with high temps over 105* yesterday from my trip to Grand Marias, MN where the high temp along the shore of Lake Superior on July 4th was about 73* with a cool breeze blowing off the lake.

I've read your detailed explanation once and absorbed a little but plan to read it several more times then, if I can, print it out and make a handy little reference book to refer to in the future. It is clear from your explanation why grocery-getter pickups have experienced some problems. They simply aren't being driven hard enough to generate the exhaust gas temps to allow passive regeneration.

I'm looking forward to your next article about things going wrong. As soon as I have time this weekend I'm going to PM you my VIN and ask you to look up what reflash may be applicable to my truck then I'll plan a trip to visit.

Is there an RV park nearby where I can spend a night or more?
 
Mike,



Very good information on the regeneration.



Harvey,



To bad I didn't know where you were at, the wife and I were on Lake Superior for the 4th as well. We could have invited you for a meal or two.
 
Mike... .

Thanks for the info... we've been asked to buy the equipment to clean the DPF's on large trucks... . as you might know they will have equipment that will need to be cleaned instead of the regen process your talking about... I've been to 3 classes on the subject but your outline of the theory of operation is the best I've read to date...

For those who don't know... the state of CA is forcing owners to retro-fit large trucks and off road equipment with emission equipment and we've been told that the EPA is considering the same requirements for the other 49 states, so we've been doing the ground work to both sell an service the stuff... . and Donaldson is a big supplier into this market...

I look forward to your future articles. . maybe you could do an article for the TDR the same way Gary Croyle (Perfection Hy-Test) did for the dual mass flywheel and clutch for the G56 transmissions...
 
Mike,

Very good information on the regeneration.

Harvey,

To bad I didn't know where you were at, the wife and I were on Lake Superior for the 4th as well. We could have invited you for a meal or two.

Damn! I'm sorry I didn't post the fact that I was going there. It would have been great to get together with a fellow TDR member and kick some Dodge tires.

We spent a long 4th of July weekend at the great city-owned RV park at Grand Mariais, MN. We didn't have reservations, didn't even have a firm plan when we left home, but lucked into a great, long corner space looking out on Grand Marais Bay and Lake Superior. The weather was beautiful, the view was fantastic, fresh fish was available at a small local market, fireworks display was out on the jetty almost directly in front of our fiver, altogether it was a great trip. The high temp at GM on July 4th was 73 with a cool wind off Lake Superior, a little cool for a guy who just left 98* temps in West TX a few days earlier.

We spent two days in Minneapolis/St Paul visiting with an old friend and his family, two days at Duluth where we toured the Army Corps of Engineers Maritime Museum (again), watched the Cort steam in empty for loading, drove up to Grand Portage and toured the museum and fort on Sunday and then on Monday, detoured out to Backus to tour the Scamp (mini fiberglass trailer) plant.

Sorry I missed you. Where were you staying?
 
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