Removing performance chip to go to dealer...will it show at dealer?

[DPohl]

I was wondering if I get a performance chip/module, will the dealer know it was there by some sort of coding or something if I remove it for any warranty work?



Thanks-

Dave

 

[2broke2smoke]

you're gonna get different answers, it's been discussed before ...



on my wifes early '03 we took off the edge and had the TSB for late shifting auto transmission done ...



warranty is still in effect ...

 

[JimBob24]

If you use a "box" which "fools" the ECM it will not be recorded in the ECM and that will not show at the dealer, unless it sets a code. If you use a programmer it will show up as a "date modified" code. The dealer could see that something was done but probably could not tell exactly what it was. Another consideration is that the ECM stores certain historical performance data which might indicate that a "box" was used if certain parameters are exceeded that are not normal or possible with the stock setup.

 

[tschwab]

I was wondering if I get a performance chip/module, will the dealer know it was there by some sort of coding or something if I remove it for any warranty work?



Thanks-

Dave

Dave,

You didn't say what type of warranty work. Is it for a problem your chip caused? If so, you should be denied warranty service as you have now comitted fraud and the dealer should void your warranty.



I can't believe the number of people on these boards who want the dealer to fix their trucks because they have added mods and then don't want to take responsibility for the repair. What your doing is raising the dealers/DC cost of the truck for all of us in the long run.



You turn up the power, you then become your own warranty station. KUDOS to DC for clamping down on this. I hope they get even tougher on it. My . 02 worth.

 

[JKlopp]

Strong agreement with TSCHWAB. Iim still amazed at the power the 610 has stock.

 

[Marty1]

I don't have any problems looking after my own repairs on my truck... especially anything caused buy performance modifications but what bothers me is I've heard stories of guys being denied warranty coverage on things totally unrelated to the performance modifications.

If I install a performance chip & they deny warranty coverage on my emergency brake because I've altered the truck... I have a real problem with that.

I think it's pretty obvious that if you install a chip & you ruin your transmission... Dodge is going to find out why & not cover it... that I have no problem with.

 

[mattymac]

Some dealers look to see for the boost elblow clamp. From factory its a crimp style clamp and with some chips they give you a worm drive hose clamp for the new restriced turbo boost elbow that comes with certain chips. This was before the 600 and 610 HP motors, we have an electronic wastgate actuator that with smaller HP chips isnt even addressed.

 

[TCDiesel]

Dave,

You didn't say what type of warranty work. Is it for a problem your chip caused? If so, you should be denied warranty service as you have now comitted fraud and the dealer should void your warranty.



I can't believe the number of people on these boards who want the dealer to fix their trucks because they have added mods and then don't want to take responsibility for the repair. What your doing is raising the dealers/DC cost of the truck for all of us in the long run.



You turn up the power, you then become your own warranty station. KUDOS to DC for clamping down on this. I hope they get even tougher on it. My . 02 worth.

I guess DC should send a check to all the owner that have Mods that are thier own warranty station ,Or at leased A refund on the residual. Or the option at reduce cost when purchasing. what if you added a brake controller and it voided your wiper motor because it was plug into your electronics, or a remote start, or lights to the running boards.

Yes Some of the Mod"s are GTB"s GO TO YOU BLOW. Others have safety features build in That are better than stock,Look at all the truck today that have gauges. None of the Big three install a EGT gauge and program A max temp ,Or even a warning light or sound. YES you can BURN down a stock engine which could be easily avoided with a senor.

 

[tschwab]

I guess DC should send a check to all the owner that have Mods that are thier own warranty station ,Or at leased A refund on the residual. Or the option at reduce cost when purchasing. what if you added a brake controller and it voided your wiper motor because it was plug into your electronics, or a remote start, or lights to the running boards.

Yes Some of the Mod"s are GTB"s GO TO YOU BLOW. Others have safety features build in That are better than stock,Look at all the truck today that have gauges. None of the Big three install a EGT gauge and program A max temp ,Or even a warning light or sound. YES you can BURN down a stock engine which could be easily avoided with a senor.

Well if you would have read the 1st post, you would know he was talking about a performance chip, which DC should VOID any warranty for problems arising from the chip.



If I should burn down my "STOCK" motor, guess what - DC is my warranty station.

 

[PJ]

Well if you would have read the 1st post, you would know he was talking about a performance chip, which DC should VOID any warranty for problems arising from the chip.



If I should burn down my "STOCK" motor, guess what - DC is my warranty station.

I totally agree with this. That is why my only tool kit inside my new cTD is a cell phone and my AAA card. Free townig to the nearst 5 star dealer, paid by D/C and free hotel and meals from AAA plus card! Mods? We don't need no stink'n mods! 325hp is more than enough. If I remember correctly, my 1990 1 ton had about 175 hp. My 98 12v didnt have much more!

 

[TCDiesel]

Page 12 ,3. 1 Part A Some Modificatin Don"t void the warrantise But Aren"t Covered:

Performance or racing parts are considered to be Non-DC Parts. REPAIRS OR ADJUSTMENTS CAUSED BY THEIR USE ARE NOT COVERED UNDER YOUR WARRANTIES.

I don"t see the statement the appearence of these voids your warranties.

Racing Not covered:I see people race from stoplight to stoplight every day.

Tampering with the odometer or altering it will void your warranties.

These are just a few Quotes taken from pages 12 thru 15.



I Agree with both members If it is Proven the mods cause the damage DC has the Moral and legal right to deny Repairs. It"s the extreme that I"m Talking about. You purchase a warranty at the time of sale,If a warranty is to be denied the manufacturer should prove it, If they chose to do so.

 

[macdaddy]

Don't mean to butt in here guys, but the 05 came in 10/30/04 and I had all the intentions of doing a Edge box, guages and some other mods but I am still in awe at the pulling grunt of the 610 with 4:10's . Just pulled for the first time Thanksgiving weekend 12K MAN. Short 6 percenters and itwill pull 6th at 2K RPM's. So I wont be touching this thing. :-laf



05 3500 4X4 Laramie DRW 325/610 6spd 4:10's she came in 10/30/04

Sold 99 3500 4X4 SLT Laramie ATS trans w/VB,TC,Comander Edge EZ AFE Auto Meter 4:10's

99 Terry toy toter 12K

 

[WPeschel]

I was wondering if I get a performance chip/module, will the dealer know it was there by some sort of coding or something if I remove it for any warranty work?



Thanks-

Dave

I dont want to start a fight :-{} but the question he asked is if they would know if he had a chip on his truck or not??? Right? He didnt ask what your stand point is on if they should warranty trucks that are bombed. . From my experience with the edge ez is that no they can not tell. . Other boxes will do different things. . You need to get to know your service manager ask him if there is any thing that you can buy that will give you more HP/TQ without voiding the warranty. . JMO

 

[KYLE4]

good arguments on both side of the bar but honestly guys dealers are constantly trying to shaft owners for the most ridiculous things for instance A guys power locks quite working dealer said oh thats because of your exhaust I have guys call me all the time saying my dealer told me if I change the exhaust or the airbox or put in a egt probe my warranty is void that is crap is it not. The real reason why dealers are always trying to find ways to snake people out of warranty coverage is for $$ dealers get paid by dodge to do warranty work but it is not the 100. 00 per hour they get from a non warranty customer. You've all seen it and heard about it service writers trying to gouge people on all kinds of crap they don't need send your wife in with your truck and watch what kind of estimate she come's home with I find it tough to be sympathetic to someone who takes advantage of people who don't know better

 

[KYLE4]

oops quit working

 

[DPohl]

I appreciate the info from everyone that responded to the question that I asked. Why do people have to spout off about their opinions. What you do may be different from what I do which may be different from the next guy. Each person has to be willing to pay the consequences for actions they take and if they can sleep at night with their decisions.



I have had chevy's, Dodge's, as well as several other vehicles. Many times, if not most times, the dealer typically tries to find a way not to cover repair. My wife had a Toyota Sequoia and we were putting breaks on every 7K miles. The dealer said that was normal. I, of course went on line and found on Edmunds.com many other people that had the same problem. I went through all of the appropriate avenues, service manager, then General Manager. Guess who had to end up paying again, me. I am not throwing out the poor me self pity deal, just stating my experience. This is not a big justification post either. Dealers as well as most mechanics are pretty crooked, but there are some good ones.



I have just registered on this message board for the second time, first time was about 3 or 4 years ago. I think I have posted twice and both times it has turned into some ******* match of attitudes and personalities. Is this the norm for this group? I have noticed that it was a couple of the same people spouting off. Why can't you just answer the question that was asked. Everyone is entitled to post whatever they want within the rules of a forum, but are these people so bored and full of personality and ego issues that they cannot help but to start some abraisive posts. I really don't want to post any questions if every time it turns into some ridiculous holier than though attitude match. It is ridiculous.

 

[Punkineater]

Well said DPohl. I too have had this same question and the reason being is that if I put on the Edge and then have to have some flash for a TSB will they note that I have a box and deny any further warranty work... ... ... for anything. I've always lifted my trucks and have consistently had problems getting my warranty honored for things completely unrelated such as a faulty bracket on my center console. Go figure how my lift could have caused that .

The guy had a very legitimate question and in no way even implied that he was going to fraud DC. Then our normal "STOCK RULES" club jumps all over him. Great guys, you want to keep your truck stock and roll down the highway as completely boring and mundane as possible then go for it. The rest of us are gonna BOMB. :-laf

 

[ttreibel]

Put your BS glasses for this post... .....





From what I can understand the dealer looks first for a boost elbow and a non factory clamp attached to the boost elbow.



They also look for a clean Fuse box or velcro strips were many people attach there boxes like the Edge EZ.



They also look for clean plugs and or the lack of Dielectric grease on the plugs.



They also look for tucked wires going through the firewall.



If they find something suspicious then they often question the owner sometimes good cop bad cop style.



I have also been told that Cummins can see if the program has been altered but strangly Dodge computers can't they can only suspect a chip. I am betting that Dodge is figuring out what there computers are telling them especially if there is a blown turbo or head gasket involved.



The total engine melt down seems to be coming from a sticking injector versus an overfueled "chipped" truck but I bet if there is a box there they will blame it on that when it wasn't the cause.



My advice on a box is to wait and get any bugs out of the engine or truck before you take the plunge for more power. Let the engine breakin for at least 20K. If you have deep pockets put it on day one, along with a new head gasket and some twins :-laf :-laf :-laf and drive it by the dealer and take the service writer out and give him a smoke show :-laf :-laf :-laf





You can take it to extreams:



At a recent Dyno event one guy told the operator he would not give out his VIN number because if his truck engine grenaded or such it was still under factory warranty he then laid down 700+ HP I sure hope he was kiddin' because that kind of FRAUD we all pay for... ... . nuff sed

 

[TCrawley]

When my truck gets less than expected fuel economy and DC can not seem to do muck more than a flash, I will add modifications to at least reduce my fuel cost. I have had my Edge EZ on level two for the first tank and I am getting a 1. 5mpg gain and additional power. To each his own, but as a DC employee I think I have given them more than my fair share of pain to provide the products they sell. Yes I am proud to work there but they better take care of any warranty claims i make as long as they are not a result of abuse or neglect. Just my three cents worth.

 

[thejeepdude]

I have just registered on this message board for the second time, first time was about 3 or 4 years ago. I think I have posted twice and both times it has turned into some ******* match of attitudes and personalities. Is this the norm for this group?

:-laf hehe welcome back to the TDR!



Don't let the annoying few keep you from being part of the gang. It's like life... there's those people who have to proclaim their moral fortitude to the masses, but here they don't ride bikes and wear name tags. Then there's the rebels that love claiming blatent warranty fraud and telling everyone how proud they are of themselves for doing it. They probably wear leather jackets and smoke hand-rolled cigarrettes. After a while, you learn to enjoy some of those posters from the outfield, and others you learn to ignore. There may be a lot of opinionated fluff, but there's usually valuable information to be had.



That said, to answer your question... yes, most power units can be detected by either the dealer or cummins if they look hard enough. However, most warranty claims won't cause them to look deep enough to find such evidence and shouldn't be an issue. Regardless, I plan to keep my truck stock until the 100K warranty is up. The 325/610 is awesome enough as it is, and in 2 years or so I'll throw on some BOMBs. This will give the aftermarket more time for R&D and durability testing, which I think is still in its infancy stages for the CR motors.