Respect Edge!!!

[blake underwood]

To all w/the TST PMCR be careful. I HAD a B-1, and the TST box damaged my compressor wheel and housing. I only had my box on for 2-days and ran it on 9-9 twice w/one short burst at 100 mph and EGT's of 1050 degrees. I am only one of many that this has happened to. It so happens I'm one of about 10 that have had the same problem and have sent their turbos back to Kenny in Phoenix to be rebuilt. Kenny said, it's the pulse/width that is nuking these turbos. The box is dumping so much fuel into the motor and creating too much heat for the turbo to handle. I took my box off tonight, and I am shipping it back in the AM. I'll call TST tomorrow and let them know what happened to me and 10 other guys (if they don't already know ). My Edge EZ (hot box) w/the 80 HP setting had 10,000 trouble free miles on it. I drove it hard, towed heavy trailer, and pulled farm equip. w/it thru fields alll day long, and I never once had one problem. My hat is off to EDGE and will wait for there product as long as it takes.

 

[Prairie Dog]

I'm confused, why would 1050 degrees hurt our turbo?

Maybe it's possible to over speed our turbo's at the highest settings?

I dunno but you've got me concerned now.

 

[Tomeygun]

FIRST - I am defending TST, BUT



I know mark (@tst) had made MANY passes on the dyno with his Stock turbo, and is his blown ??? nope even with 42 lbs (which i would NEVER do)



i talked to him about which turbo to go with and he said there is NO turbo out that can take it (all out), with a B1- you can hit 52-54 lbs on 9/9, ask anyone selling the B1- they will say that is too high boost #'s... . is the box to blame???



until I find a turbo with wastgate to CONTROL boost #'s within turbo-manufactures specs, I will stay on lower levels



I think people should know when you have the tst and NO wastgate, high boost #''s are going to happen, with bad effects



enough of my rambling, cya

 

[SRadke]

1050° post turbo. Read more here:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=96411



-Scott

 

[blake underwood]

Tomeygun,



Defend TST all you want. BOTTOM LINE is they need to fix the pulse/width on the PMCR, so fuel is limited to restrict that much heat.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

Originally posted by blake underwood

Tomeygun,



Defend TST all you want. BOTTOM LINE is they need to fix the pulse/width on the PMCR, so fuel is limited to restrict that much heat.

why??! what if someone WANTS more fuel? just because your truck will go 120mph doesn't mean you should drive that fast all the time...



just because your box will nuke your engine and turbo, doesn't mean you should run it on that setting!!!



if you're overboosting or running EGT's too high, that's nobody's fault but yours IMHO.



Forrest

 

[lil red cummins]

well i must say i am getting mixed signals.



i thought one of the necessary items, to get more horsepower, was to increase fuel delivery. the way i see it, changing the pulse width or frequency of the injection event is much safer than increasing pressure of the rail. with that said, i agree with tomeygun that control of boost pressure is very important. if the B1 or any turbo is running with no waste gate, it is going to potentially create enough boost/heat to melt it down if you stay into it too long. the only way(s) to keep heat down is to reduce boost, add water/meth injection or add so much more fuel that it keeps the combustion on the rich side and therefore reduces combustion temp. to my knowledge, nobody has been able to get that much fuel from the 3rd gen pump.



so what did edge do that tst doesnt? put in less fuel?



what am i missing???



jim

 

[blake underwood]

Hey, I know the risks of BOMBING my truck, and realize things will BREAK. I think Kieth at DD "hit the nail on the head" when he said, "anything making more power than the EZ/TTPM is doing so by pushing the railpressure" and "we told EDGE where to limit their boxes as a safety precaution for the relief valve. "



- 1 + on the TST PMCR was IT never thru a code

 

[lil red cummins]

hey nick,



did you read all the posts back in january when people were flaming edge and the other manufacturers EXCEPT tst, because they would not release their boxes early? i thought the consensus was "we will take what is available even if they dont have all the bugs worked out" tomeygun was one of the first to jump on board and has had a few problems but has been willing to work through it to get the problems resolved, rather than flaming the manufacturer. i have been sitting and waiting patiently. as long as they are reachable and working on tweaking their box, i see nothing wrong with their offering.



there will always be differences in the way manufacturers introduce and produce their product. lets give the other manufacturers a little more time to get their units out to market and then start making functional comparisons. i am pretty sure the "end user" will find bugs in all of the units that will hopefully be showing up in the next few months.



dont forget, we are doing something to these engines that they were never designed for. "stuff" happens when we do this.



jim

 

[Chris Wilkerson]

Originally posted by tomeygun

FIRST - I am defending TST, BUT



I know mark (@tst) had made MANY passes on the dyno with his Stock turbo, and is his blown ??? nope even with 42 lbs (which i would NEVER do)



i talked to him about which turbo to go with and he said there is NO turbo out that can take it (all out), with a B1- you can hit 52-54 lbs on 9/9, ask anyone selling the B1- they will say that is too high boost #'s... . is the box to blame???



until I find a turbo with wastgate to CONTROL boost #'s within turbo-manufactures specs, I will stay on lower levels



I think people should know when you have the tst and NO wastgate, high boost #''s are going to happen, with bad effects



enough of my rambling, cya

Tomeygun, very well put in my opinion. I don't think anyone could have put it better besides maybe Mark himself. I have been running the PMCR for several months now with the same engine code problem everyone else has had. But keep in mind that I knew adding a box of this size could or would create problem's whether it be right from the get go or down the road. This is just part of it when it comes to adding this type of product or products to our trucks ( we become our own warranty station ). I don't care what type of truck you have, there is a big difference between using and abusing it. Our trucks when released from the factory was not meant to produce 400+hp and 1000+torque with the stock turbo, fuel system, clutch, automatic transmission or any other part of the truck. If dodge and cummins was to prepare our trucks for this type of abuse we would not be able to afford them. Think about it a minute, why won't cummins warranty our trucks with modifications, duh ( ABUSE ). Well enough on this, its JMO. I think TST done a great job on this box and I think they will continue to make it better. If you think about it Mark said it would produce big numbers with stock parts, but he never said it would last if you abused it. Oh yeah small chargers with big boost #'s create high back pressure #'s which tend to cause problems.

 

[blake underwood]

Leave the drama bull**** in high school BOYS. There's no need for this "you abused it" and "its your own fault. " I'm not worked up over this whole thing, so why should you be. Big deal a blown turbo, there's a lot worse things in life. Some of you guys are getting more worked up about what I said about TST's product, than I am about a blown turbo.



This sites about getting information across to others .

 

[SRadke]

Blake, your signature lists TST, EZ, and injectors. Were you running the boxes stacked with injectors, TST plus injectors or just the TST by itself?



-Scott

 

[blake underwood]

Scott,



TST and Injectors, and it smoked like an older 24v w/200 hp injectors (I compared it to my bros. '02) and we threw out about the same amount of smoke. It looked pretty awesome! I could FOG up a 3-lane freeway .

 

[SRadke]

I can imagine. I've got stock injectors in a standard output and the TST supplies plenty of smoke.



I spoke with Mark @ TST this morning and the topic of how this PMCR should be advertised/sold came up. He said he wanted to sell it as is and if your truck wasn't set up to handle the higher levels you don't have to use them. I can understand his point but I had to caution him about the wording on their website. It is a little misleading. Would you prefer they had two diffrent boxes available, one for the mild bomber and one for the really serious guys? Which one would you have purchased given the choice?



-Scott

 

[Forrest Nearing]

Originally posted by blake underwood

Leave the drama bull**** in high school BOYS. There's no need for this "you abused it" and "its your own fault. " I'm not worked up over this whole thing, so why should you be. Big deal a blown turbo, there's a lot worse things in life. Some of you guys are getting more worked up about what I said about TST's product, than I am about a blown turbo.



This sites about getting information across to others .

come on now... you're trying to tell us that all that talk about "HAD a B-1" and about how the TST box melted your turbo, and how you were going to call and tell them what happened to 10 people (if they didn't already know ) had no frustration or anger behind it and that all you were doing was trying to get information across to others?



if that were the case, I would figure the post would be more like, "hey guys, if you get a new TST box, don't crank that baby up all the way without keeping tabs on boost and EGT levels!"



but it obviously sounded (to more than one person) that you were venting on and semi-bashing TST...



Forrest

 

[fencebuilders]

It seems Blake understands when you play, you pay. Its a simple as that,no gray area. Potentially,ANY mod to our trucks will void warrantys. Bombers know this better than anyone. That puts Edge,RAMifier,PMCR,Injectors all in the same boat. Install them and potentially kiss your warranty goodbye. Some fellas choose to play with the PMCR,thats their choice,i could never go that route,'cause i would cook my engine or major components in a week. No way could i fight the temptation to hammer it on a regular basis. I will stick with my RAMifier and maybe some injectors,seems relatively safe after all the PMCR posts im reading.

 

[Chris Wilkerson]

Originally posted by Forrest Nearing

come on now... you're trying to tell us that all that talk about "HAD a B-1" and about how the TST box melted your turbo, and how you were going to call and tell them what happened to 10 people (if they didn't already know ) had no frustration or anger behind it and that all you were doing was trying to get information across to others?



if that were the case, I would figure the post would be more like, "hey guys, if you get a new TST box, don't crank that baby up all the way without keeping tabs on boost and EGT levels!"



but it obviously sounded (to more than one person) that you were venting on and semi-bashing TST...



Forrest

Forrest, very well put I don't think I could have said it any better.

 

[KBennett]

Blake,



I took it the same way as almost everyone else that you are mad at TST and that you are sending it back.



Does the box cause the same damage at the lower settings?



TST should come out with a "stock" safe box. Maybe a 5/5 max setting?



I wonder if water/meth injection would help?

 

[JDerbedrossian]

blake dont worry tell us what happens later. we are all human arent we. everybody... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

 

[blake underwood]

Should have the truck running at the end of the week. Talk to TST this morning, just said my box was in the mail. And was told I'll be reinburst upon arrival, and left it at that.



Jderbedrossian,



I agree w/you "everybody is human. "



But damn some of these guys remind me of women more than men...

They just like to jump all over a guy for what he says, and just love to disagree.