The problem isn't Junior, it's the stupid, uncaring American people who elected him (sort of). The same ones who elected both Clinton and Reagan twice. They appear to be getting even stupider if they can still support George after his Iraq fiasco, just wait till he reinstates the draft in the coming months. Or will he wait till after the election?
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Somehow I don't believe that we're in any more danger now. We've got the attention of the world right now. Every bad guy on the planet knows that we mean business. More importantly, they know that we can, and will, deliver the goods.
And despite what the popular media would have us believe, Bush and Co are privy to a whole lot more intel than any of us armchair generals. If they believed that Iraq was a threat to US security, then I still believe them.
Sean Hannity was talking the other day about a vast storehouse of documentation rounded up by the US armed forces in Iraq. Some 7. 5 miles of paper. It will take months to get through it all. Tom Brokaw interviewed some guy from US Intel and this is the tip of the iceberg.
Over and over and over again we hear about how much this war cost the US. Again, I ask how much did 9/11 cost us? (and is still costing us?) How much would another 9/11 cost us?
Back in '98 the Democrats all agreed that Iraq posed a danger to the US. Even the ones running for President. (Of course now they've changed their mind. ) At that time Saddam had 5K liters of anthrax according to the Dems among other things.
Where did it go?
You see I didn't like Clinton and still don't. It wasn't a personality thing. It was his policies. He enacted a massive tax increase, cut the military and our intel services, brought the Brady Bill to life and bragged about giving the NRA a black eye at his '96 inauguration. He told us partial birth abortion is a good thing. So beyond being a snake oil salesman, there was much to dislike about him. His policies, both foreign and domestic, sucked IMHO. But ol' Bill is probably a heck of a guy at a party and is probably very likeable in person. He is a very intelligent person but he played us for suckers.
It seems now like many don't like Bush's policies simply because they don't like him. Am I right? Over and over we're told he's doing the wrong thing but solutions are scarce.
I mean if Bush were running up the deficit by spending on education and environmental causes instead of military spending, would we be bombarded by the Dem's stern warnings of imminent disaster? I think not. Who likes to spend like a Democrat?
Reagan is hung with huge deficits but everyone seems to forget the deal he cut with Tip O'Neil and George Mitchell. You know, the one where they promised $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax cuts? They never delivered on the promise. There's a shocker! So Reagan got trashed even though Federal revenues INCREASED after his tax cuts. And let's not forget, it's Congress that does the spending. No line item veto for the President.
W's tax cuts are tiny in comparison to the deficit we're faced with now. I am hoping that the tax cuts do something, but it seems that a lack of confidence in the corporate sector is holding the economy back. Federal revenues will not come back until the economy turns around.
And frankly, I don't know what W and co can do to stimulate the economy. Growing government will only act as an impediment IMHO. Governments don't make anything other than red tape and regulations. And it seems to me that is the only two choices for the Federal government, tax more or spend less. I think I know which one is better for the private sector.
Tim
And despite what the popular media would have us believe, Bush and Co are privy to a whole lot more intel than any of us armchair generals. If they believed that Iraq was a threat to US security, then I still believe them.
Sean Hannity was talking the other day about a vast storehouse of documentation rounded up by the US armed forces in Iraq. Some 7. 5 miles of paper. It will take months to get through it all. Tom Brokaw interviewed some guy from US Intel and this is the tip of the iceberg.
Over and over and over again we hear about how much this war cost the US. Again, I ask how much did 9/11 cost us? (and is still costing us?) How much would another 9/11 cost us?
Back in '98 the Democrats all agreed that Iraq posed a danger to the US. Even the ones running for President. (Of course now they've changed their mind. ) At that time Saddam had 5K liters of anthrax according to the Dems among other things.
Where did it go?
You see I didn't like Clinton and still don't. It wasn't a personality thing. It was his policies. He enacted a massive tax increase, cut the military and our intel services, brought the Brady Bill to life and bragged about giving the NRA a black eye at his '96 inauguration. He told us partial birth abortion is a good thing. So beyond being a snake oil salesman, there was much to dislike about him. His policies, both foreign and domestic, sucked IMHO. But ol' Bill is probably a heck of a guy at a party and is probably very likeable in person. He is a very intelligent person but he played us for suckers.
It seems now like many don't like Bush's policies simply because they don't like him. Am I right? Over and over we're told he's doing the wrong thing but solutions are scarce.
I mean if Bush were running up the deficit by spending on education and environmental causes instead of military spending, would we be bombarded by the Dem's stern warnings of imminent disaster? I think not. Who likes to spend like a Democrat?
Reagan is hung with huge deficits but everyone seems to forget the deal he cut with Tip O'Neil and George Mitchell. You know, the one where they promised $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax cuts? They never delivered on the promise. There's a shocker! So Reagan got trashed even though Federal revenues INCREASED after his tax cuts. And let's not forget, it's Congress that does the spending. No line item veto for the President.
W's tax cuts are tiny in comparison to the deficit we're faced with now. I am hoping that the tax cuts do something, but it seems that a lack of confidence in the corporate sector is holding the economy back. Federal revenues will not come back until the economy turns around.
And frankly, I don't know what W and co can do to stimulate the economy. Growing government will only act as an impediment IMHO. Governments don't make anything other than red tape and regulations. And it seems to me that is the only two choices for the Federal government, tax more or spend less. I think I know which one is better for the private sector.
Tim
Re: Scared?
Well, why don't YOU stop by the White House and let him know all the scecret intel you have that he doesn't know????? Why don't you serve your country again by saving us this "incompetent" man? Surely, the POTUS couldn't POSSIBLY be privy to the wealth of intel you have, could he?
Honestly, I think it's Un-American to have the answers to all the world's problems and not share them with our leadership.
It is perfectly illogical to conclude that the US is in more danger now than it was. True, US TROOPS are in more danger now, but NOT the United States itself. But that's how it should be-- the job of those who serve is to bear the burden of danger to protect those who are served. That's what we all agreed to when we joined the All-Volunteer military.
Those who had the desire to kill us will not be more motivated as a result of this-- they are ALREADY as motivated as can be. We cannot be more hated in their eyes. So we have nothing to lose in that sense, and our national security to gain.
While I am not a fan of meddling in another nation's business, sometimes you have to.
Or, you could just wait until another attack, scratch your head, and find a way to blame those in power.
Well, why don't YOU stop by the White House and let him know all the scecret intel you have that he doesn't know????? Why don't you serve your country again by saving us this "incompetent" man? Surely, the POTUS couldn't POSSIBLY be privy to the wealth of intel you have, could he?
Honestly, I think it's Un-American to have the answers to all the world's problems and not share them with our leadership.
It is perfectly illogical to conclude that the US is in more danger now than it was. True, US TROOPS are in more danger now, but NOT the United States itself. But that's how it should be-- the job of those who serve is to bear the burden of danger to protect those who are served. That's what we all agreed to when we joined the All-Volunteer military.
Those who had the desire to kill us will not be more motivated as a result of this-- they are ALREADY as motivated as can be. We cannot be more hated in their eyes. So we have nothing to lose in that sense, and our national security to gain.
While I am not a fan of meddling in another nation's business, sometimes you have to.
Or, you could just wait until another attack, scratch your head, and find a way to blame those in power.
Worthless info
It seems like the intel comunity of the USA is as useless as it ever was. You cannot go to war on intel for the sole reason. If a country is attacking you, you go to war. War should be a last resort. Yes you may lose lives this way, but you keep the honor and reputation of a honorable country. You can run around saying the sky is falling and beat the he11 out of your neighbor or you can build a defense to protect yourself.
We now have 3/4 of the US Army deployed overseas. The troops now in Iraq have been told the only way to get home is to "Click your heels together, and say theres no place like home". Our borders are a line on the ground, anyone can and will cross. The cry of jihad has gone out from Iraq and all the militants from a ten country area know where the American targets are. We are losing a man a day. How long does it take to admit we made a mistake? How many have to die? Do you think that we will leave a nice little clone of the US government when we leave Iraq?
You cannot say that we want a democratic government for Iraq and then tell them "But you can't have a Islamic government. " .
That is the majority. Do I feel safer with us in Iraq?
How anyone can say that we are being protected by having troops in Iraq is beyond me. We are just putting targets on our mens backs and saying thank you for dieing!
Remember there were supposed to be thousands of WMD everywhere in Iraq, the inspecters could not find them. Our intel said they were everywhere, where? We were going to kill Saddam, or capture him, where is he? Good intel.
Our intel has made fools of us many, many times in the past. Why does anyone think that this war would be any different?
It seems like the intel comunity of the USA is as useless as it ever was. You cannot go to war on intel for the sole reason. If a country is attacking you, you go to war. War should be a last resort. Yes you may lose lives this way, but you keep the honor and reputation of a honorable country. You can run around saying the sky is falling and beat the he11 out of your neighbor or you can build a defense to protect yourself.
We now have 3/4 of the US Army deployed overseas. The troops now in Iraq have been told the only way to get home is to "Click your heels together, and say theres no place like home". Our borders are a line on the ground, anyone can and will cross. The cry of jihad has gone out from Iraq and all the militants from a ten country area know where the American targets are. We are losing a man a day. How long does it take to admit we made a mistake? How many have to die? Do you think that we will leave a nice little clone of the US government when we leave Iraq?
You cannot say that we want a democratic government for Iraq and then tell them "But you can't have a Islamic government. " .
That is the majority. Do I feel safer with us in Iraq?
How anyone can say that we are being protected by having troops in Iraq is beyond me. We are just putting targets on our mens backs and saying thank you for dieing! Remember there were supposed to be thousands of WMD everywhere in Iraq, the inspecters could not find them. Our intel said they were everywhere, where? We were going to kill Saddam, or capture him, where is he? Good intel.
Our intel has made fools of us many, many times in the past. Why does anyone think that this war would be any different? You do not have an understanding of the difficulties involved in gathering intelligence. Especially when you have been pillaged by the Clinton years. Intel is a VERY difficult, VERY dangerous job. Often times, the best we can do is make an educated guess. There are few certainties in this life.
It is a great offense for you to impune the dignity and sacrifices of those who place their lives in danger to gather intelligence. You, sir, spit on the sacrifices of those who have given their lives in dangerous missions to gather this "worthless" information. I submit to you that the blood of those who worked for it makes intelligence have "worth". Are you so ignorant as to believe that all our intel just comes from spy satellites and signals intercepts.
What good is it to have honor if you no longer exist?? There is honor in sacrificing to bring the ideals of liberty, freedom, and equality to a people who have never known them. If we TRULY believe in these values, then we must be willing to fight for them- on our behalf, and on behalf of others. We went to war in WW2, yet the only thing we really lost was a base in Hawaii. What were we REALLY fighting for in WW2? Tell me what vital US interest was at stake? NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. If we wanted to, we could have turned the other cheek and gone on with our lives. We would have been just fine-- for a while. But we couldn't. We saw evil in the world. We saw countries being steamrolled-- China in 1937, Poland in 1939, France in 1940. We recognized a MORAL call to arms to defend the world against evil. Evil does exist, and I believe we must fight against it. Today, that evil takes the form of militant Islam.
I don't know if our efforts will be successful in Iraq, like we were in Japan and Germany. I think that the Islamic culture there is a large obstacle to overcome. Time will tell.
A democracy is not necessarily what we are trying to set up in Iraq. Heck, we don't have one here in the US-- we have a representative republic that has a democratic process to it. Time will demonstrate whether or not the people of Iraq have the maturity to govern themselves, or if they will disintegrate into totalitarianism.
But history will judge us well for sacrificing to give them a chance.
As for your feelings of safety, FEELINGS are a poor substitute for the real thing. Who cares whether you FEEL safe or not?? What matters is if you ARE safe!! If a feeling was sufficient, then the existing airport security system would be excellent! Instead, it has become exactly the same as gun control: a harassment to the law-abiding, and NOT a deterrent to criminals. You and I BOTH know that if you wanted to slip something onto a plane, it would be extremely easy to do. Ceramic bladed knives, plastic weapons, etc... Shoot, even a pen would be used as a weapon if you want. Who says you won't strangle someone with your laptop cord??
You have revealed a key liberal flaw: truth and reality don't matter, only how they make you feel. Vomit!!
It is a great offense for you to impune the dignity and sacrifices of those who place their lives in danger to gather intelligence. You, sir, spit on the sacrifices of those who have given their lives in dangerous missions to gather this "worthless" information. I submit to you that the blood of those who worked for it makes intelligence have "worth". Are you so ignorant as to believe that all our intel just comes from spy satellites and signals intercepts.
What good is it to have honor if you no longer exist?? There is honor in sacrificing to bring the ideals of liberty, freedom, and equality to a people who have never known them. If we TRULY believe in these values, then we must be willing to fight for them- on our behalf, and on behalf of others. We went to war in WW2, yet the only thing we really lost was a base in Hawaii. What were we REALLY fighting for in WW2? Tell me what vital US interest was at stake? NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. If we wanted to, we could have turned the other cheek and gone on with our lives. We would have been just fine-- for a while. But we couldn't. We saw evil in the world. We saw countries being steamrolled-- China in 1937, Poland in 1939, France in 1940. We recognized a MORAL call to arms to defend the world against evil. Evil does exist, and I believe we must fight against it. Today, that evil takes the form of militant Islam.
I don't know if our efforts will be successful in Iraq, like we were in Japan and Germany. I think that the Islamic culture there is a large obstacle to overcome. Time will tell.
A democracy is not necessarily what we are trying to set up in Iraq. Heck, we don't have one here in the US-- we have a representative republic that has a democratic process to it. Time will demonstrate whether or not the people of Iraq have the maturity to govern themselves, or if they will disintegrate into totalitarianism.
But history will judge us well for sacrificing to give them a chance.
As for your feelings of safety, FEELINGS are a poor substitute for the real thing. Who cares whether you FEEL safe or not?? What matters is if you ARE safe!! If a feeling was sufficient, then the existing airport security system would be excellent! Instead, it has become exactly the same as gun control: a harassment to the law-abiding, and NOT a deterrent to criminals. You and I BOTH know that if you wanted to slip something onto a plane, it would be extremely easy to do. Ceramic bladed knives, plastic weapons, etc... Shoot, even a pen would be used as a weapon if you want. Who says you won't strangle someone with your laptop cord??
You have revealed a key liberal flaw: truth and reality don't matter, only how they make you feel. Vomit!!
Human intel:
It was being drasticlly cut way back in the Carter years.
Sattelites are cool toys, but some things satelites cant see.
Eric
It was being drasticlly cut way back in the Carter years.
Sattelites are cool toys, but some things satelites cant see.
Eric
A Freaking Telephone Pole I tell ya... ... ... ... ... .
Watch your hero on NBC news, Chief Bush Hater and Senior member of the Blame America First crowd Tom Brokaw. He interviewed one of the Inspectors who HAS SEEN the documents supporting the WMD. Brokaw also got a look at some of the documents and would only say... ... . "The evidence, in his mind, would be overwhelming... ... . ".
Brokaw questioned why THEY (Bush Admin) does not release the KNOWN info. Person he was interviewing said that info would be released when ALL DOCUMENTS had been gone thru. There are over 7. 5 miles of documents that must be transcribed and checked, and most of it was brought in and turned over by Iraqi people. When the government buildings were being looted, they went in and got the documents to turn over to the U. S. intell.
Add "Democratic Underground" to your favorites CF and Illflem, New talking points will be out shortly because after P. M. Blairs speech to Congress the "Bush Lied about Uranium" rant is loosing traction FAST
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Watch your hero on NBC news, Chief Bush Hater and Senior member of the Blame America First crowd Tom Brokaw. He interviewed one of the Inspectors who HAS SEEN the documents supporting the WMD. Brokaw also got a look at some of the documents and would only say... ... . "The evidence, in his mind, would be overwhelming... ... . ".
Brokaw questioned why THEY (Bush Admin) does not release the KNOWN info. Person he was interviewing said that info would be released when ALL DOCUMENTS had been gone thru. There are over 7. 5 miles of documents that must be transcribed and checked, and most of it was brought in and turned over by Iraqi people. When the government buildings were being looted, they went in and got the documents to turn over to the U. S. intell.
Add "Democratic Underground" to your favorites CF and Illflem, New talking points will be out shortly because after P. M. Blairs speech to Congress the "Bush Lied about Uranium" rant is loosing traction FAST
.Well?
If the intel community of the USA was so pillaged by the previous administration? Why may I ask did our President rely on it WHOLLY as the prime mover of his actions against Iraq? What good is the dignity of the ones who gather the info if it is all wrong? They still have dignity, just NO reliable sources! And if all intel can do to make a decision is flip a coin, you certainly don't GO to war with this decision!
This is NOT WW2 and don't even compare this war to WW2. The only thing the same about this and WW2 is the loss of American lives to set it off. The war against terror cannot be fought with conventional warfare, DUHHHH. How many lives have to be lost before the American people realize that this is a guerrilla force. We cannot win unless we count on sacrificing a man a day for the rest of the life of our country. Are you willing to do this? They are.
Evil takes many forms, it is even in the people that run our government. Evil lies in every continent of the world in so many country's it is overwhelming! Do we take the responsibility of cleansing the world of evil? I guess we will never see peace again with that type of thought pattern. Something to leave our great grandchildren. But, as long as they are full of faith and overwhelming pride for there country let em die eh?
Funny how the lead investigator in England who had proof of misleading info on Blair just up and got himself killed.
Feelings have nothing to do with it. We are not any safer than we were before Iraq! We are in much more danger, our troops are in much more danger, and America is in much more danger. Yes sir, all that paper, they could have used it as WMD, massive paper cuts!
If the intel community of the USA was so pillaged by the previous administration? Why may I ask did our President rely on it WHOLLY as the prime mover of his actions against Iraq? What good is the dignity of the ones who gather the info if it is all wrong? They still have dignity, just NO reliable sources! And if all intel can do to make a decision is flip a coin, you certainly don't GO to war with this decision!
This is NOT WW2 and don't even compare this war to WW2. The only thing the same about this and WW2 is the loss of American lives to set it off. The war against terror cannot be fought with conventional warfare, DUHHHH. How many lives have to be lost before the American people realize that this is a guerrilla force. We cannot win unless we count on sacrificing a man a day for the rest of the life of our country. Are you willing to do this? They are.
Evil takes many forms, it is even in the people that run our government. Evil lies in every continent of the world in so many country's it is overwhelming! Do we take the responsibility of cleansing the world of evil? I guess we will never see peace again with that type of thought pattern. Something to leave our great grandchildren.
But, as long as they are full of faith and overwhelming pride for there country let em die eh?Funny how the lead investigator in England who had proof of misleading info on Blair just up and got himself killed.
Feelings have nothing to do with it. We are not any safer than we were before Iraq! We are in much more danger, our troops are in much more danger, and America is in much more danger.
Yes sir, all that paper, they could have used it as WMD, massive paper cuts!
Re: Re: Goofy?
Hohn I agree with everything you have written. The Drug entitlement is funny to me. The average American is fat and never exercises and then he/she expects the government to pay for drugs to help them live with the conditions that they have created. We would all think a Dodge CTD owner was nuts if they never maintained their truck and then wanted Dodge to cover repairs under warranty.
Hohn I agree with everything you have written. The Drug entitlement is funny to me. The average American is fat and never exercises and then he/she expects the government to pay for drugs to help them live with the conditions that they have created. We would all think a Dodge CTD owner was nuts if they never maintained their truck and then wanted Dodge to cover repairs under warranty.
Hey guys you may as well give up!
CF and illflem liked it better under Clinton when after each of the many terrorist attacks, Clinton swore we would hunt down and punish those responsible -----and did NOTHING of significance.
Those clinton practices led the terror community to believe the US would never actually do anything to threaten them and thus led directly to the 9-11 attack.
Had we not had a president with the courage to do something, we likely would have had other major attacks.
These liberals so hate Bush they are totally without the ability to think.
Yes, we are losing some people in Iraq and that is terrible. We all should greive for them and their families.
But does anyone have any idea how many deaths occur in a group that large due to crime and accidents here in the USA?
In otherwords, are they in reality in much more danger than if they were at a base near a major city here?? I don't know the answer, but out of a group that large there would certainly be some losses.
A YES YES YES. CF, we are FAR FAR safer than we were before we took decisive steps to let the terror networks know that we were no longer the do nothing punching bag of the Clinton administration.
I too, resent the spending idiots in Washington DC. How I would love to turn down the money supply, but as was pointed out, we are so much better off than before W got in office.
The wast majority to irresponsible accusations thrown at him by the DNC rable rousers (and re - spouted here be CF), are wholly without basis and are simple a part of the idea that if you make enough accusations, some of them will cost the victim votes at the next election----------Thats what most of this is all about; how can they get a liberal back into the White House.
CFs accustions are in no way about truth, or facts, only about how to get Bush.
Nothing could be worse for this country than to pull out of Iraq; that would send an overpowering msg. to the teror networks that they had freedom to set about destroying us with any kind of attack with no fear of retaliation. That is the last thing we should do.
Vaughn
CF and illflem liked it better under Clinton when after each of the many terrorist attacks, Clinton swore we would hunt down and punish those responsible -----and did NOTHING of significance.
Those clinton practices led the terror community to believe the US would never actually do anything to threaten them and thus led directly to the 9-11 attack.
Had we not had a president with the courage to do something, we likely would have had other major attacks.
These liberals so hate Bush they are totally without the ability to think.
Yes, we are losing some people in Iraq and that is terrible. We all should greive for them and their families.
But does anyone have any idea how many deaths occur in a group that large due to crime and accidents here in the USA?
In otherwords, are they in reality in much more danger than if they were at a base near a major city here?? I don't know the answer, but out of a group that large there would certainly be some losses.
A YES YES YES. CF, we are FAR FAR safer than we were before we took decisive steps to let the terror networks know that we were no longer the do nothing punching bag of the Clinton administration.
I too, resent the spending idiots in Washington DC. How I would love to turn down the money supply, but as was pointed out, we are so much better off than before W got in office.
The wast majority to irresponsible accusations thrown at him by the DNC rable rousers (and re - spouted here be CF), are wholly without basis and are simple a part of the idea that if you make enough accusations, some of them will cost the victim votes at the next election----------Thats what most of this is all about; how can they get a liberal back into the White House.
CFs accustions are in no way about truth, or facts, only about how to get Bush.
Nothing could be worse for this country than to pull out of Iraq; that would send an overpowering msg. to the teror networks that they had freedom to set about destroying us with any kind of attack with no fear of retaliation. That is the last thing we should do.
Vaughn
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