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Bob Wagner

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Tuning instructions for the REVOlution software





We provide you a whole new tuning concept with a handheld performance tuner.

For the first time the Cummins engine performance tuning software can now be customized by the customer.

The REVOlution starts here!

How does it work?

If you prefer the Smarty's default software configuration, simply skip the “Adjust Options” menu and choose the CaTCHER level you

prefer, as in the previous Smarty softwares. If you want to change the default setting of any (or all…) of the customizable items, you

can enter the “ Adjust Options” menu , navigate with the “ > “ and “ < “ keys to the item you want to customize and enter your

choice. Done! Smarty will do the rest. Once the end of the item list is reached, Smarty will store your selections in its memory. In

this way, your preferred selections will be applied every time you program your truck. As a simple example, if you set the Speedlimiter

to “100”, Smarty will always use that value for all ECM updates, until you change the value again or return the truck back to

stock. When you enter the “ECM update“ menu you will find the chapter: “Adjust Options“. Once entered, this menu allows you to

choose among several items and levels of customization.

Speed-limiter:

From 25 to 250 mph in one mile increments

Torque Management:

# 0 - Default

# 1 - Stock

# 2 - Mild

# 3 - Moderate

# 4 - Wild ( aftermarket clutch / AT Transmission recommended )

Then higher the # you choose then less torque management remains and then more aggressive the throttle response becomes.

Injection Timing:

# 0 - Default

# 1 - Stock

# 2 - for stock injectors

# 3 - for aftermarket Injectors ( less timing advance than # 2 )

# 4 - for fuel economy ( more timing advance than level # 2 )

Important! The odd numbered SW's ( 1,3,5,7 & 9 ) use the advanced timing and the even numbered SW's ( 2,4,6 & 8 ) use the stock

timing.

This is only true if you don't adjust the options! With the Revo you can choose ANY timing you want, no matter if the Catcher you'll

download is odd or even! You CAN, add timing to the software's that have none, or use the stock timing in the odd # ones. Your

pleasure... . By definition for all adjustable options the default is # 2. EXCEPT for the timing. The timing has two defaults. # 1 for the

even numbered SW's ( stock timing ) # 2 for the odd numbered SW ( advanced timing ). To avoid confusion and to help the customer

in returning all levels to default ( if need be ), key # 0 is used to return Smarty back to the default levels. This is most important for

the timing. When Smarty is set back to default with key # 0, the even numbered software's will use the stock timing and the odd

numbered ones the advanced timing.

Rail pressure:

# 0 - Default

# 1 - Stock

# 2 - Mild

# 3 – Moderate*

# 4 – Wild* (aftermarket injectors are a MUST)

* In order to avoid damage to the injection system, do not use for prolonged time.

Wastegate: ( for the 2004. 5 and up trucks with the electronic wastegate only )

# 0 - Stock (On)

# 1 - Off ( for aftermarket turbo )

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Thank you for your patience.
 
Fuel Economy Timing Setting OK for Towing?

Bob-

I currently use my S-06 Smarty on #3 and it works great. However, if I could further improve fuel economy I'd like to, so I'd like to try the further advanced timing with the REVO. Would this timing advance be appropriate for towing? I tow a 8000# travel trailer.



Thanks,

Todd Schwantes.
 
Don't ask me why or how but I have always read and heard that aftermarket injectors have built in timing!?! And perhaps the stronger the nozzle the more timing but I am not sure about that. I posted a similar question to just that... with only 50 HP nozzles I have read that you would trat them like stock and use the more timing. Go figure!
 
Don't ask me why or how but I have always read and heard that aftermarket injectors have built in timing!?!

In a very, very simple sense, performance injectors provide h. p. gains by allowing more fuel to be injected for a given duration (because the hole size, hole number, hole shaping, etc permit a higher fuel flow through the injector).

Injectors offering 50 h. p. increase or so, are close enough to the stock fuel flow that timing is not effected very much.

However, with large injectors (100 hp, 150 hp, 200 hp, etc), a significantly larger amount of fuel is being injected compared to the stock injector. Fuel is injected at some point before TDC. Too much fuel injected before TDC is a bad thing, and will cause pre-ignition/detonation of the fuel, and will cause too high of a peak pressure rise to be healthy for the engine.

Thus, when running large injectors that are dumping alot more fuel, timing has to be adjusted back toward TDC to accomodate.

The similar thing occurs when running higher rail pressure... more fuel is injected sooner, which has the supplemental effect of increasing timing.

--Eric
 
Thanks ENafziger,



That all makes very good, and as you say, simple sense. So this built in timing is not built in by the manufacture, per say, it is built in by physics! Is that fair to say or am I still missing something!:eek:
 
What are the defaults?

Bob,



So if you download the new software and don't make any changes; what are the default values for torque management, timing, and rail pressure? I want to make sure I have this right. Torque management is 2, and default timing is 2 (on odd numbers)? And rail pressure is also 2? Did the previous version alter rail pressure? I'm just trying to figure out what my baseline is to work from when making changes.
 
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Bob,



So if you download the new software and don't make any changes; what are the default values for torque management, timing, and rail pressure? I want to make sure I have this right. Torque management is 2, and default timing is 2 (on odd numbers)? And rail pressure is also 2? Did the previous version alter rail pressure? I'm just trying to figure out what my baseline is to work from when making changes.
This is the way I understand it:

If you prefer the Smarty's default software configuration, simply skip the “Adjust Options” menu and choose the CaTCHER level you

prefer,
 
Marco,



Just tried it and WOW IT IS THE BEST ONE SO FAR.

Can't wait for what is in store next. 40mpg tune?



Keith



Let's be realistic, now. VW Jetta TDis are 40+ MPG cars. With the right aerodynamics, etc. a Ram CTD would be able to eke out 30 at best, though some modifications to the powertrain (i. e. electric drive vs mechanical transmission and axles, etc. ) might boost the figures. 1997 Dodge Ram 3500 Dualie Cummins - Diesel Power Magazine
 
So this built in timing is not built in by the manufacture, per say, it is built in by physics! Is that fair to say or am I still missing something!

Correct! They aren't building in timing in some mysterious way into the injectors, it's just what happens when more fuel gets into the cylinder earlier in the cycle than the OEM injectors.

--Eric
 
Bob,



Great to see S-04 with some new firmware :D



What is the equivalent of the aftermarket injector tune? I run that to better control the smoke. I see timing related to that, but not what would be the equivalent of the amount of fuel related to the aftermarket injector. Is it that rail pressure or something else? Basically trying to find the equivalent of the "aftermarket turbo, aftermarket injector, mild torque #5 setting. "



Thanks,

WOT
 
Bob,



Great to see S-04 with some new firmware :D



What is the equivalent of the aftermarket injector tune? I run that to better control the smoke. I see timing related to that, but not what would be the equivalent of the amount of fuel related to the aftermarket injector. Is it that rail pressure or something else? Basically trying to find the equivalent of the "aftermarket turbo, aftermarket injector, mild torque #5 setting. "



Thanks,

WOT



I know you meant this question for Bob, but I wanted to answer just to see if I have a grasp on the settings. I know Bob will correct me if I'm wrong.



wastegate off = aftermarket turbo

timing #3 = aftermarket injector

torque management #2 = mild torque

catcher #5 = #5



How'd I do!?!



Paul
 
so... with all this new stuff, what settings would net the best fuel economy. i don't need extra hp now but i do have my s-06. i wouldn't mind getting some better economy in the city [i never drive on the hwy] when i am paying ±5. 00/gallon [$1. 259/liter]

i don't want the timing too aggressive below 1200rpm though. my present version with #3 knocks a little too much especially if you slightly bog it off the line. and i don't need anymore smoke [less would be better imho]
 
what would be the best fuel econemy settings?

I am thinking



SW--1 or 3

torque management-- mild

timing--#4

rail pressure-- at defalt or stock (some confusion here)
 
I know you meant this question for Bob, but I wanted to answer just to see if I have a grasp on the settings. I know Bob will correct me if I'm wrong.

wastegate off = aftermarket turbo
timing #3 = aftermarket injector
torque management #2 = mild torque
catcher #5 = #5

How'd I do!?!

Paul

What I was really curious about is what the exact differences from aftermarket injection load to stock injector load it. I realize the timing part, but since I get less smoke with the aftermarket injector load I assumed there was a fueling difference as well. Maybe that's not true and the smoke is just a result of more aggressive timing, but it sure seems significantly more then what timing only would do.
 
Performance wise. . I'm not to happy with the revo. I'm going to drop it down a level for tomorrow (130hp) to see if it works better... Put it this way. 411 software + tst on 2hp. in 4th at 40mph I can get on it 1/2 throttle and the rear end gives up... not a chance of that happening now.

It's a bit smokey as well for just driving with traffic. . hoping maybe #7 will fix things up.
 
Put it this way. 411 software + tst on 2hp. in 4th at 40mph I can get on it 1/2 throttle and the rear end gives up... not a chance of that happening now.



I am partial to 411 also, it's manners are perfect, plus if I need to get "nasty" TST is only a finger tip away. :D
 
Performance wise. . I'm not to happy with the revo. I'm going to drop it down a level for tomorrow (130hp) to see if it works better... Put it this way. 411 software + tst on 2hp. in 4th at 40mph I can get on it 1/2 throttle and the rear end gives up... not a chance of that happening now.



It's a bit smokey as well for just driving with traffic. . hoping maybe #7 will fix things up.



Do you have a rail pressure guage?? Just wondering if maybe you are drainging the rail?? I'm looking into a new smarty and i'm not sure what download to get. .
 
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