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[ddesau]

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Originally posted by JTMcCracken

Please say your not talking about me when you say politically correct! If not ,excuse me, if so you couldnt be farther from the truth. Life Member of the NRA, 3rd generation, Hard Core Right Wing. But I have had to listen to too many cops talk about, brag about, laugh about how they don't have to follow the rules like the rest of us and no I'm just no great admirer of your average policeman. You may be the greatest guy around, I don't know, but I have little respect for your occupation. I obey the law, I'm not a nut, but thats my opinion. By the way your average cop would love to see me and the rest of America disarmed. This is not the place for this discussion so I will quit now, have a good weekend... JTMcC.

Thats too bad Jtm - but since you don't seem to understand what the police deal with on a daily basis - then you shoudln't be so harsh. Most police officers see more death and destruction in one week then the average citizen will ever see if their entire lifetime.



Regardless of what the police brag about - they do follow the rules- everyday- more rules than you will ever deal with. They joke about a lot of things - mainly to relieve the overwhelming stress they deal with each day.



And the average police officer would not want to see the average law abiding citizen disarmed - as we know that the law abiding citizens can stop crime. .



And I know what it is about - I am a retired Deputy Sheriff with 27 years in law enforcement - I'm proud of the job I did and my profession - and the 99. 9% of the police officers out there do a good job -with little or no thanks from the average citizen. .



So before you are so quick to lump all police officers into one big pile - walk a mile or two in their shoes - that is if you have the courage to do so. .



(Sorry members but I get a little ticked when I read senseless comments like that !) Oo.

 

[rrausch]

By ddesau... "Regardless of what the police brag about - they do follow the rules- everyday- more rules than you will ever deal with. They joke about a lot of things - mainly to relieve the overwhelming stress they deal with each day. "



I have many friends in L. E. , and my 2 cousins in O. K. City are retired Detectives (30+ years each) from OK. Law enforcement. Cops do joke about death, criminals, other cops, judges, victims, etc. etc. etc. It is the way they deal with the stress of protecting the rest of us and I say Good For Them!

Here in L. A. the main job of an LAPD Sergeant is not law enforcement, it is to make sure all the cops under him fill out forms right, and follow all the procedural rules laid down by Liberal Polititians & Liberal Judges.

 

[sdalton]

JTMcCracken, I too am a police officer, and have run into many many attitudes such as yours. I have found that people such as you have either received many many speeding citations(which were probably deserved) or have been arrested for something serious in the past. Or possibly a wacko backwoods militia member. Well, which catagory do you fall into???

In the 9 years that I have been doing my job, in the worst sections of Houston, I have known hundreds of police officers, and not one has ever expressed their desire to disarm any law abiding citizen. Just because you paid for a lifetime membership to the NRA doesnt mean you are in the right on your opinions. You will find that most LAW ABIDING americans do not share your views, in any way, shape or form. As far as being a nut?? I dont know you well enough, but you do sound like you might be on the fring of paranoia. As far as you obeying the law? When was the last time you sped? Cheated on your taxes??

It is people such as yourself that I have seen, that BIT*H the most about how they hate all police officers, but the second they need one, they are the first to call for one. Then when they dont get their way, bad mouth the police again, complain, and act like a total horses rearend.

I dont dislike you, I just think you are narrow minded, immature, in your views, and ignorant.

 

[Warpig]

I agree with ddesaw and sdalton, most cops have no problem with armed citizens. In fact, I do not know one who is of the opinion that citizens should be disarmed. Off the top of my head I know 3 brother police officers in my dept. who are NRA certified instructors that teach an NRA safety course to civilians so the can obtain their permit to carry. JTM, to make a general statement that the average police officer would like the citizens disarmed is totally inacurate and ignorant. If you are in fact a NRA member then you get the same publications sent to you as I do. Read one,( put down you copy of "Behold a Pale Horse" ) you will see many articles relating to average police officers who are active NRA members supporting the right to bear arms.



Tim Wright

(proud member of the NRA, Hrmy Lodge #42 A. F & A. M. (JW)

and TDR

 

[sdalton]

Oh, I forgot to say, I too am a member of the NRA.

 

[DRR-24V]

SDALTON... Don't Hold Back !!

Sdalton,

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. !!

 

[Des]

Very well put, SDalton. As a future resident of the Houston area, I am glad to see one of Houston and/or Harris County's finest as a TDR member. I am looking forward to meeting you and the other LSTDR members once we get moved into our new house in Katy. I believe that the news media is looking for something that will create unrest in its viewing audience. What creates more controversy than news about “suspected” police using excessive force or “bending the rules?” In Houston it creates quite a stir thanks to the local news media. The police are doing their best to enforce the laws that they have been charged with enforcing. It is not their fault if you do not agree with the laws they enforce, it is the your fault for not doing your civic duty and speaking out to your local and state elected officials. While I do agree there are bad apples out there, look at the rest of the population. There are bad apples in every profession. There are folks in every line of work from doctors to trash men who choose to break the rules and abuse their respective positions. While I do not agree with all of the power officers have in some situations (searching your vehicle without a search warrant for instance), the state of our society demands that someone take action. And who gets to clean up the trash? Folks like Sdalton. I appreciate what they do everyday. So you want them to be nicer? Give them a pay raise for dealing with the trash of society and putting their life and the sanity of their families on the line every hour they step out of their house. Say hello to them once in a while. Ask questions like “how are you doing today?” “A little hot outside today isn’t it?” Treat them with the same respect you expect and you might find that they are folks just like you. They have wives and husbands, children, homes, mortgages, bills, pains, aches, tragedies, and joys just like you. Just because they where a uniform, badge, and gun does not make them unsociable or a nemesis of society. Thanks Sdalton, and be safe.

 

[Hale on wheels]

Des,

You can deny a search if you want and they cannot search it legally without a warrant. And also, denying a search request does not give them a valid reason to get a warrant. Now keep in mind this will not get you out of a ticket and in good standing with the LEO I don't believe most average cops want to disarm the public. Although some do, I feel it is more based on those in the upper ranks, many times appointed by another anti-gun person in some position of power (i. e. a mayor who appoints a chief). I think the Fraternal Order of Police is a joke, and I hope none of the good LEOs here buy into their crap.



I would like to know how you guys feel about the bill in the House that would allow all off duty cops to carry concealed anywhere in the country. While I would support legislation similar to this, I cannot support it if it does not include all CHL holders. I don't feel an off duty cop's wife is any more important to him than my wife is to me, therefore I feel I deserve to be able to protect her just as an off duty LEO on vacation deserves the right to protect his wife. I hope you guys see my point. Now before the flames start, I do not share JTM's views, and my father has been an LEO all my life, and I respect LEOs very much.

 

[Warpig]

Hale, The bill you are talking about is HR-218 and has a clause including concealed permit holders nationwide. As a LEO I am for the bill as it stands.



Tim W.

 

[Hale on wheels]

Community Protection Act of 2001 (Introduced in House)



HR 218 IH





107th CONGRESS



1st Session



H. R. 218

To amend title 18, United States Code, to exempt qualified current and former law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed handguns.



Tim,

I just read the bill on the Library of Congress web page and it still does not contain a clause for non-LEO permit holders.



Cody

 

[DRR-24V]

Tim Check out Archie Bunker !

Tim,

I am for any upstanding citizen the RTC. On the old Archie Bunker show he suggested arming every passenger on an A/C to stop HighJackings. Everyone laughed. I will bet you if everyone on those A/C on 9/11/01 were armed, they would not have hit the Twin Towers. JMO.

 

[Warpig]

Re: Tim Check out Archie Bunker !

Originally posted by DRR-24V

Tim,

I am for any upstanding citizen the RTC. On the old Archie Bunker show he suggested arming every passenger on an A/C to stop HighJackings. Everyone laughed. I will bet you if everyone on those A/C on 9/11/01 were armed, they would not have hit the Twin Towers. JMO.

There is a county I believe in TX, where it is the law that you must carry a pistol or revolver, unless you are a convicted felon. Statistically crime there is way down. The little old lady with the 44 mag in her pocket book kinda evens out the playing field if ya know what I mean

 

[Pit Bull]

Re: Re: Tim Check out Archie Bunker !

Originally posted by TimWright







The little old lady with the 44 mag in her pocket book kinda evens out the playing field if ya know what I mean

I hope they shoot better than they drive.

 

[Bigsaint]

Re: Re: Tim Check out Archie Bunker !

Originally posted by TimWright





There is a county I believe in TX, where it is the law that you must carry a pistol or revolver, unless you are a convicted felon. Statistically crime there is way down. The little old lady with the 44 mag in her pocket book kinda evens out the playing field if ya know what I mean

LOL, what the heck do you get charged with for NOT carrying a weapon ???



I am also a NRA member, have been since I was very young and first started hunting. While I'm not opposed to civilians carrying concealed weapons, the RTC bill does concern me. I never read the bill, shame on me I guess. Is there an age restriction ? Must be either 18 or 21 YOA, right ? That's where my concern comes into play. The youngest member on our department just turned 21, he has been on the job now for about 6 months, not counting his academy time. He is mature beyond his years and has the proper training and guidance to help him. What about the rest of the young men and women out there that would be allowed to carry ? No training in firearms safety, just a blanket clause that allows anyone without a criminal record to carry a firearm. I encounter people on a daily basis, that suffer from mental health issues. They don't have a criminal record but there's no way I want them to be armed. Needless to say it's a big responsability, and I have encountered many that are not up to the task.



We have a law here in NJ that allows any retired member (sworn member) of a PD the right to carry concealed. As the rangemaster for my dept. , I am tasked with qualifying the retired members ( only from our dept. ). They are REQUIRED to qualify twice a year and I must go over the AG guidelines that are specifically written for retired LEO's. Unless I missed something, the RTC bill doesn't include any provisions for training or use of force training. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure would be simple enough to mandate a firearms safety course, which would incorporate the use of force from the AG guidelines, within each state.



Scott W.

 

[Briar Hopper]

Hale on Wheels, I'm all for seeing off-duty cops carrying concealed, for one big reason you did not mention. Criminals never go off duty, and thanks to our justice system, some get out too early. What happens if they then encounter the cop who sent them to the big house, and he's off-duty? I have several friends who are cops, and one who is retired. I dang sure do NOT want to see anything bad happen to them, just because the system they're sworn to uphold has failed them. They all got families...

BigSaint makes a heckuva good point too, though. We probably need a LITTLE bit of regulation (NOT MUCH, mind you! ) to keep guns out of the hands of citizens deemed irresponsible enough by age or mental fraility. But... . I'd like to point out that there are irresponsible cops out there, too. I know, both my son and I have had unfortunate encounters with them. One such cop in my hometown assuages his miniscule ego by pulling over unsuspecting motorists, while he's off-duty, using a light on his Dodge 1500. No tickets, just bullying. Letters to the police chief and the newspaper are on their way, of course, to protest this individual's dangerous behavior.

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by Briar Hopper



, I'm all for seeing off-duty cops carrying concealed, for one big reason you did not mention. Criminals never go off duty, and thanks to our justice system, some get out too early.



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I alway carried off duty for that reason. My department required every officer to be armed while off duty. A police Officer is really never off duty. Your required to protect and service the public at all times. Now I did not sleep with it on me, but when I went to the gym I had it in a fanny pack on my person while I worked out. I now live in a state that does not have CC permits, I think this is a big mistake. I think everyone has the right to carry a concealed weapon, if they are not a convicted criminal and they have completed a weapons training class and a firearm qualification test on the weapon they will be carrying concealed. I also think every citizen with a CC permit should have to go to a requalification test every year just like a police officer or requalify with any new weapon they want to carry concealed. They should also have to sign a document that shows they acknowledge under what curcumstances deadly force could be used. Just like the Cops. This would let the citizens that want to carry do so in a educated and safe environment and it would create additional jobs for people to train and qualify gun owners the old Win/ Win.

 

[Freddbull]

I was the object of a couple of kids fun throwing rocks off an overpass. Well I quickly stopped under the overpass. Ran up the other side, jumped the fence before the kids noticed me, grabbed the one throwing the rocks by the thoat and told him "now it's my turn to have a little fun. I put on the real tough guy act using a few obsenities (i'm 6' and 230lbs & not a whole lot of fat) got his parents name and address. He peed his pants and cried I let him go with a "get out of here you little bast*&%* I think his overpass days are over.

I got him good. It felt very satisfying and I laughed all the way home:--)

 

[Hale on wheels]

Briar Hopper,

I did not mean to imply that I am against LEOs carrying off duty, but that I am against ONLY LEOs being given that exemption, and not CHL holders as well. I most certainly agree that criminals are never off duty, which is why I want the same ability to defend my family while on vacation as LEOs. I love my wife as much as anyone else loves theirs. I will admit that there are many LEOs whose firearms proficiency is greater than mine, while there are many whose is not. But that is not the point, the point is that giving a special right of being above the law to protect (or give the opportunity to protect oneself) one class of people while not extending that same right to other qualified people is wrong in my opinion. I side with Larry Pratt and GOA with this issue and not the NRA.



BigSaint, in Texas one must be 21 and qualify with the type of handgun they wish to carry (auto or revolver), as well as pass a test about laws governing justified self-defense. I believe most other states have similar requirements.

 

[sdalton]

I have mixed feelings about letting anyone with a concealed handgun permit have the exemption. I was for it until I came in contact with a pimp that had a concealed weapons permit, and used it to protect his women, and collect his money. I called every division and prosecuting attorney I knew, and all said he could keep the gun and permit, as long as he didnt break the law. Oh, I forgot, he had been tried for murdering a trick who didnt pay. He claimed self defense and got off, when a prostitute employee backed his story up. He applied for the CHL and got it. To this date I think he still has it.

It disgusts me how lax the CHL laws are. I am all for every law abiding person being able to carry one, after a background check, and some common sense being used.

 

[Hale on wheels]

Sdalton, that does bother me as well, that someone like that could have a CHL, but realize that this is probably an isolated incident. I don't think it is the CHL laws that are lax. If one gets a class B misdemeanor, he loses his license. It seems to me that the jurisdiction that this guy is in won't really try to go after him and convict him of something. Surely they could catch someone like that doing something that would warrant revocation if they really wanted to do so. I know it is not as trivial as just using all of the resources to catch one bad guy since there are so many, but hopefully he'll slip and you guys will be there to catch him.