2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission runnig "red" vs veggie oil??? here's a thought

[RKraiza]

question: why is it illegal to run fuel oil"red" on the rode and yet accepted legal to run used fryer oil or greese? Neither has a rode tax on it. Yet, it seems to be accepted that the used greese is legal to run on the rode. If I'm going to get a dollar fine for running "red", then so shouldn't the guy running fryer greese or veggie oil. Hell, even some biodeisel dosn't have a rode tax on it.

Don't beat me up here, just looking for your opinions on this. I'm just fustrated that johny law looks the othere way on one issue(the used greese that runs diesels, yet busts my balls for running fuel oil, in my truck, on a private developement. your opinions please... .

 

[DCreed]

I'm just fustrated that johny law looks the othere way on one issue(the used greese that runs diesels, yet busts my balls for running fuel oil, in my truck, on a private developement. your opinions please... .

... give them time!:-laf the figuring is prolly that the tax was paid on the fry oil already and the used is "trash". fuel oil isnt taxed like road fuel as there is no excuse to pay for the roads attached to it.

 

[EKlem]

They don't always look the other way. There are several instances of people running veggie who have been required to pay all of the back taxes on the fuel. Depending on your state, sometimes you are allowed to run a certain amount of "experimental" fuel every year.

 

[tony597fitter]

Most states have a law in effect stating you have to pay a road tax for x amount of WVO or home brewed bio.

 

[RKraiza]

... . I guess it just pisses me off to see these guys being intervewed on tv and what not about how they all run fryer greese in there cars , on the road. Am I jeloius they get away with it and i can't , yup. Johny law would smell the sulfer of the "red" fuel in a sec, and hand me a nice 10,000 fine i asure you. Just upset about a double standard. thanks for all who replied, Rich

 

[bmoeller]

Johny law would smell the sulfer of the "red" fuel in a sec, and hand me a nice 10,000 fine i asure you. Just upset about a double standard.

Red fuel isn't any different than the clear fuel, other than the dye. Smells the same.



You can buy highway fuel to use in a tractor. Fill out a tax exempt form, and you don't have to pay any tax.



You could probably run all of the dyed fuel and home grown fuel you want, but have paperwork showing that you in fact did pay the fuel taxes. Do that, you can make all the fuel you want and not have an issue. Just keep paperwork with you.

 

[JGK]

If the tax man finds out you are running home-brew biodiesel (as opposed to commercially produced, on-road stuff) or you're using waste veggie oil, they will come visit you for fuels tax.

An unsuspecting fellow in a little town down the road has the only grocery store in town that has a deli in the back with fryers. He converted his Mercedes to run straight veggie oil. A journalist from a local TV channel heard about him and went down and did a story on him. The tax man came calling the day after the story was broadcast.

If they find out you're regularly running non taxed fuel of any kind (red diesel, bio-D, veggie oil, home-brew ethanol in your gasser, methanol in your road-legal formula 1 car or turbine-engine truck, whatever) they'll come calling.

-Jay

 

[DCreed]

how do they tax electrics for road use tax?

 

[LSchulz]

question: why is it illegal to run fuel oil"red" on the rode and yet accepted legal to run used fryer oil or greese? Neither has a rode tax on it. Yet, it seems to be accepted that the used greese is legal to run on the rode.

It depends on the state, but in most states you are exempt as long as you only use so many gallons per year. If you go over that limit, you are required to pay road tax on the amount of fuel you have used.

 

[RHestand]

How much less is red fuel compared to stnd. #2?

 

[RKraiza]

. . it's around . 75 less per gallon. "Red", is fuel-oil that powers your furnace, and, at times, my truck. It powers all my construction equiptment. There used to be no difference on the makeup. Now there is, do to the mandated ULSD. Red has alot of sulfer in it, which is very noticable to the nose. Were as the Ultra Low Sulfer Deisel obviously does not. No smoke or oder like the red died.

hope this helps...

and yes, referring to the previous threads, fryer greese smells like french fries when run... but the tax man doesn't pull hime over. Still jellious hear. I'll get of my soapbox now... Oo.

 

[JGK]

how do they tax electrics for road use tax?

I've often wondered this myself. They'll figure out a way somehow. The taxman does not like missing a tax opportunity! In the mean time, the hybrids are enjoying a loophole.



-Jay

 

[EKlem]

I have built 3 electrics at this point and we looked into taxes and the state of mass basically didn't know what to do with us. I think that there were so few electrics that it would have been more expensive for them to do it. During the conversation we had about it, they asked me the equivalence of miles per gallon and I replied that they get an equivalence of about 60-70mpg and they just said forget it at that point.

 

[WalterRyan]

Technically it is not "legal" to run biodiesel WVO or any other fuel without paying the road tax for the amount you use. The system just is not setup to deal with the issue. Others are correct that if you get much attention you will hear from the tax man. The only reason it has not changed yet is because it has been just a drop in the bucket. However many states including California and Oregon have already had much talk about changing from a fuel based tax system to a mileage based one. So far every time this has come up it has been because they are loosing revenue because MPG has gone up and drivers are not buying as much fuel. This will get easier to do with the newer vehicles and all the information the computer keeps. I do not like this because all the talk has been about adding mileage taxes as "pilot programs" and we all know most politicians never saw a tax they did not like so I can see us ending up with both instead of switching. The econobox and hybrid drivers are generally against it but it would actually work in our favor if they did really drop the tax at the pump.

Walt

 

[JFaughn]

It would seem most have displaced the point of who to chew on .
Not that the roads shouldn't get paid for .
If we generally thought that tax's were reasonable/fair ???
So the next tee party should be scheduled .

 

[kentdiesel]

North Carolina will sock it to you for running non taxed biofuel.



Biofuel drivers hit with fines in North Carolina | Tech news blog - CNET News.com

 

[AMink]

work in our favor if they did really drop the tax at the pump

You know that someone will think it's a grand idea to keep the tax at the pump AND initiate a per mile tax too. And then they'll nail us for putting rubber dust in the air because our tires wear out. And then we'll walk.