Sad 6.7 Ford

[NIsaacs]

My son has another Ford in his shop. Sounds like it lost a glow plug tip. No clue if stock or modified.

 

[TFucili]

Oh, boy.

 

[AH64ID]

Ouch!

 

[DavidC]

Ouch!

X2

 

[Jim W]

X-3 on the OUCH!

But don't tell the Ford crowd on the towing forums, they will be all over you for bashing the Ford 6.7L engine.

 

[GCroyle]

Just like the karate kid was taught, cab on, cab off.

ouch

 

[HPSimpson]

That's going to be costly and big ouch!

 

[DonFitzwater]

Been there, done that......not the glow plug business but saw the cab off of my F350 Lariat twice in10k miles. I feel no pain for the Ford crowd. They get what they deserve.

 

[Tuesdak]

Is this one of the 2011's? Looks like it was more exhaust valve failure than glow plug. Not sure on Fords but I have had many 6.2/6.5's s#it out the glow plugs and keep running with no more than impacted debris on the pistons. Yes sometimes the glow plug debris knock too bad to keep running. I hate glow plugs and timing chains used in a diesel due to "value engineering" limiting their life. Something Cummins needs to make a note of before building another V8 that uses both of the weakest failure prone items ever put in a diesel.

They getting a long block from Ford? The turbo needs an inspection as well. Debris can be thrown back into the intake so it needs an inspection before it possibly takes out the new engine...

6.7L DIESEL - RUNS ROUGH - NO CRANK - GLOW PLUG CIRCUIT DIAGNOSTIC
TROUBLE CODES (DTCS) - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 3/29/2011
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
Reference Number(s): 14-0127, Date of Issue: July 3, 2014
Superceded Bulletin(s): 12-11-11, Date of Issue: November 16, 2012
Related Ref Number(s): 12-11-11, 14-0127
ARTICLE BEGINNING
ISSUE
Some 2011 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with a 6.7L diesel engine and built on or before
3/29/2011 may exhibit a runs rough or no crank concern due to a broken exhaust valve. DTCs P0671,
P0672, P0673, P0674, P0675, P0676, P0677 and/or P0678 may be stored in the powertrain control
module (PCM) from a damaged glow plug. The glow plug circuit DTCs may also be accompanied by
cylinder misfire DTCs, cylinder contribution DTCs or other engine performance DTCs.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
1. Does the vehicle exhibit a runs rough, no crank concern with any of the following DTCs
P0671, P0672, P0673, P0674, P0675, P0676, P0677 and/or P0678?
a. No - this article does not apply. Refer to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis
(PC/ED) manual for normal diagnosis.
b. Yes - proceed to Step 2.
2. Remove and inspect the glow plug associated with glow plug circuit DTC present. Refer to
Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-07C. Is the glow plug damaged?
a. No - this article does not apply. Refer to the PC/ED manual for normal diagnosis.
b. Yes - replace the engine long block. Refer to WSM, Section 303-01C.
1. For prior approval warranty repairs, complete the cost cap tool by selecting short
block, both cylinder heads, oil cooler and 16 lifters.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Is this one of the 2011's? Looks like it was more exhaust valve failure than glow plug. Not sure on Fords but I have had many 6.2/6.5's s#it out the glow plugs and keep running with no more than impacted debris on the pistons. Yes sometimes the glow plug debris knock too bad to keep running. I hate glow plugs and timing chains used in a diesel due to "value engineering" limiting their life. Something Cummins needs to make a note of before building another V8 that uses both of the weakest failure prone items ever put in a diesel.

They getting a long block from Ford? The turbo needs an inspection as well. Debris can be thrown back into the intake so it needs an inspection before it possibly takes out the new engine...

6.7L DIESEL - RUNS ROUGH - NO CRANK - GLOW PLUG CIRCUIT DIAGNOSTIC
TROUBLE CODES (DTCS) - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 3/29/2011
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
Reference Number(s): 14-0127, Date of Issue: July 3, 2014
Superceded Bulletin(s): 12-11-11, Date of Issue: November 16, 2012
Related Ref Number(s): 12-11-11, 14-0127
ARTICLE BEGINNING
ISSUE
Some 2011 F-Super Duty vehicles equipped with a 6.7L diesel engine and built on or before
3/29/2011 may exhibit a runs rough or no crank concern due to a broken exhaust valve. DTCs P0671,
P0672, P0673, P0674, P0675, P0676, P0677 and/or P0678 may be stored in the powertrain control
module (PCM) from a damaged glow plug. The glow plug circuit DTCs may also be accompanied by
cylinder misfire DTCs, cylinder contribution DTCs or other engine performance DTCs.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
1. Does the vehicle exhibit a runs rough, no crank concern with any of the following DTCs
P0671, P0672, P0673, P0674, P0675, P0676, P0677 and/or P0678?
a. No - this article does not apply. Refer to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis
(PC/ED) manual for normal diagnosis.
b. Yes - proceed to Step 2.
2. Remove and inspect the glow plug associated with glow plug circuit DTC present. Refer to
Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-07C. Is the glow plug damaged?
a. No - this article does not apply. Refer to the PC/ED manual for normal diagnosis.
b. Yes - replace the engine long block. Refer to WSM, Section 303-01C.
1. For prior approval warranty repairs, complete the cost cap tool by selecting short
block, both cylinder heads, oil cooler and 16 lifters.

Those ceramic glow plugs can really chew up a cylinder.......but you may be on to something about the valve. My truck broke a valve completely off and munched the engine on failure 2 .

 

[Wayne M.]

YEAOOOWWWWW! Cab off I bet. Is it a personal ride, or work truck?

 

[NIsaacs]

YEAOOOWWWWW! Cab off I bet. Is it a personal ride, or work truck?

It is a customers rig. I don't know what year it is, I will ask next time I talk to him. They just did an '06 G-56, rebuilt exchange with Jasper, 3 years-100k mile nation wide warranty, parts and labor. I didn't know Jasper did trannys and t-cases.

 

[NIsaacs]

I feel no pain for the Ford crowd. They get what they deserve.

Says the guy with a "new" T-bird...

 

[DonFitzwater]

Says the guy with a "new" T-bird...

NOT YET!!!!!! Well, at least not for another three weeks!

 

[TFucili]

Says the guy with a "new" T-bird...

Pre-1980 were Fords. My experience was ALL downhill after that.

 

[NIsaacs]

Is this one of the 2011's? Looks like it was more exhaust valve failure than glow plug.

They getting a long block from Ford?

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I am not sure on the year, I will ask. I will also ask if they fixed it or exchanged it. They do a lot of in house repair. This is a 6.0.

 

[TMyers]

The 6.OH NO. That's going to be an expensive fix. Usually, I would direct someone to a salvage yard for an engine in a case like this one. Sadly, even If you found one, if it hadn't been deleted and the head studs replaced, you'd be no better off.

Emissions got Ford on the 6.0 and 6.4's. International built a powerhouse with the 7.3 for Ford. When Ford had to meet Emissions, they had International develop a new engine program. If you used the trucks for other than a grocery getter, they came apart. It was great for the private market guys with the "Built Proofing". That was an $8K fix around here back in 2005 or so.

I had heard good things about the newer, Ford built, 6.7's. There should be a ton of those motors in the salvage yards. That's how I would fix the truck in the OP.

 

[Wayne M.]

Thankfully I’ve never had to go this route with a 6.0 at my job. Weather it had blowby (complaint of fumes in cab) or excessive coolant pressure/ consumption, we were allowed to put a Ford reman in. I recall they were $12500 and of the few we did, only 1 or 2 were rejects. They came with a dyno sheet complete with crankcase pressure readings! Talk about admission of guilt! We didn’t yank the cab for the 6.0 engine swap. I made a steel strap/ bracket that went diag over the engine and used a forklift/ boom setup.
The 6.4 is much more difficult to deal with, especially if you have an exhaust issue. The cab gets yanked much more with those.

 

[Tuesdak]

Wonder if his future for sale ad will match the EPIC Ford 6.0 CL ad from a few years ago.

For sale. 2004 Ford F350 crew cab 6 l diesel. 147K miles. Receipts for $12,000 worth of repairs on the engine in the last 12 months. Running great right now, but I need to sell before it strands me on the side of the road again. I need to buy a truck that doesn't dump all of its engine oil into the cooling system or die as I am rolling down the mountains here in Colorado with a load of horses in the trailer behind me, leaving me with no power steering or brakes on a winding 7% downhill grade, several times a week for months on end, while the dealership changes random components in between butt-cheek clenching episodes. I need $32,000 for this truck, so I can pay off the re-finance with the bank for repairs, and still have some cash to buy a used Chevy or Dodge one ton. I would prefer an out of state buyer so when it takes a dump again, nobody will come by my home and threaten to hurt me for selling them such a turkey. I'll need cash in advance, and will bring it to your home on a flat-bed trailer. I will leave you the trailer rather than risk starting the truck to unload it. Sold as is. Have a nice day!

 

[AEdelheit]

Emissions got Ford on the 6.0 and 6.4's. International built a powerhouse with the 7.3 for Ford. When Ford had to meet Emissions, they had International develop a new engine program. If you used the trucks for other than a grocery getter, they came apart. It was great for the private market guys with the "Built Proofing". That was an $8K fix around here back in 2005 or so.

I believe the bean counters at Ford had more to do with the issues then Emissions did, well the International VT365 is no DT444 is was a whole lot better then the Ford 6.ooooohhhhhhhnnnnooooooooooossss