Safety Recall Question

[YFZBOB]

I got my notice yesterday... Just in time too, I ran out of toilet paper... . I don't need any more Bells Horns and any other New Years Noise maker.

 

[Carlsummers]

I carried mine in for svc. yesterday and the svc writer told me about the recall. Told him that I had gotten the notice the day before and that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES were they to do this "fix". I explained to him that when DC decides to actually fix the problem and not just throw an alarm at it, then I will have that fix done. They did not perform the recall.

 

[llotton]

Safety Recall

I would like a response from someone with the expertise in the field of liability to respond. If I ignore this "safety recall' and later there is an accident involving property damage and or injury as a result of the truck not being all the way in park will I be exposed to greater liability? Also what if I sell the truck and the same thing happens will I along with the then current owner be liable? I don't want to have this work done as I have never had a problem with my 03 and don't like the idea of getting into the computer which as we can see can screw up other things that were not a problem to begin with. My truck has been perfect and I don't want to mess it up.

Larry

 

[JThiessen]

I would like a response from someone with the expertise in the field of liability to respond. If I ignore this "safety recall' and later there is an accident involving property damage and or injury as a result of the truck not being all the way in park will I be exposed to greater liability?

In a nut shell, yes, you/we will put ourselves at risk of a lawsuit if in fact your truck popped out of gear and hurt someone. DC is protecting itself with a "warning" system instead of actually fixing the problem. I would also think that, depending on the circumstances, DC would still carry some liability dependant upon proof that the warning would not have done any good (ie. , a normal person would not have been able to get out of the way even if they had a warning).



I'm still not going to get mine done. I'd like to know if there a consumer protecting agency that would represent us against DC in getting a real fix for it, instead of the band-aid.

 

[broeser340]

I agree with JThiessen on the liability thing. They did the recall flash on mine while it was in for some service. I havent had a chance to play with it too much yet (dont want to tick the neighbors off), but I swear it didnt beep/flash when I backed up with the door open. Was it maybe because I was already in reverse and moving slowly and then opened the door? I don't know. I know it did the warning thing when the shifter was in the park position, indicator not lit, released the brake and while slightly rolling back until a click (interlock?) the transmission locked. With the door open. However, I would rather have a chime than the horn and light show if they are going to have to do this.

 

[MackRock]

I'm curious if it picks up the signal from the position detector on the drivers side of the transmission. I had to finally adjust my cable so that when it was in Park, the "P" was illuminated. Mine would be in Park and the "R" would be lit. Or nothing lit. Finally, I adjusted the cable and fixed the problem. If that's where the signal is derived, my horn would have been beeping all the time.

Where did you adjust your cable? Mine has gotten out of adjustment and won't encircle the "P" for park and the alarm goes off even when it's in park. I really don't want to have to take this to the dealer to fix if it's something I can get to.

 

[R_Painter]

I had the recall done pain in the ***** Not to get it done you have to sign a weaver saying the dealer is not responsible for any damage done if the vehicle moves

 

[DZink24]

I carried mine in for svc. yesterday and the svc writer told me about the recall. Told him that I had gotten the notice the day before and that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES were they to do this "fix". I explained to him that when DC decides to actually fix the problem and not just throw an alarm at it, then I will have that fix done. They did not perform the recall.

I have mine to the dealer twice now for some minor things, at the time of making the appointment, I was very stern, but polite to the service writer about NOT doing this recall. They made a note on the work order, as well as me leaving a note on the seat for the mechanic as to "please do not do recall E17 out of park alarm". :-laf

They did not do the recall

I may have used the phrase "the most asinine recall i have ever seen" or something to that affect. .

 

[CDonaldson]

I have a std trany so this recall really does not apply to my vehicle, BUT WAIT, it won't be long before some idiot comes up with something that is electronically stimulated so we can't move with the door open either!



What I really wanted to say here is that WE are the people PAYING the payments for OUR vehicles. We should have the right to make choices regarding what is done with them. If I were taking my vehicle into a dealership for any work, warranty or otherwise, I would take the time to WRITE a letter telling them that they are not to do any work that is not authorized by me, the owner of the vehicle, without my consent. I would make certain that my quthorization is to include and TSB's, recalls, etc. I would strongly suggest that I would also take legal action and expect a full buy out of my vehicle from them if this type of request was ignored. Make them sign something that clearly states they will buy you out on the spot if they do unauthorized work. That is the answer to their 'warranty denied' stuff. It is on the same plane of thinking.



I also agree that this 'quick fix' is not the right fix. Since there actually is a right fix they need to get with the program of doing the right thing.



CD

 

[TowPro]

What happens in 6 months from now when I take my truck for some warranty work. Will they check my VIN and do this recall,even though I do not want it???

The ODBC wire connector comes out if its holder under the dash with just 2 clips. Remove it, then buy a pad lock that fits around the connector when locked. Put it around the center of the connector so there is wires on both sides. Get the right lock and you can't remove it without the key.



No way they can reflash the truck if they can't get to the connector (unless there is maybe another connector they can use?)

 

[TowPro]

as far as checking the trans, its Neutral. If I recall, when the slector is in park the fluid does not move through the convertor then the lubrication circuit of the trans. This is another reason that once you back that camper into its spot (and over heated the trans) you run the truck in Neutral and not park to cool off the trans.

 

[Palmtree]

screwed too

i took mine intot the dealer and they did it without asking... I will disconnect the horn with a on/off switch soon. I hate dealerships more and more.

 

[JimBob24]

From the '06 owners manual:

The "out of park" alarm functions under the following conditions when the vehicle is not in PARK:

1. Engine running

2. Foot off the brake pedal

3. Driver's seat belt is unbuckled

4. Driver's door is open.



As suggested by others it seems that one easy fix would be to jumper the seat belt wiring under the driver's seat. That should stop the "out of park" alarm as well as the annoying "unfastened seat belt" chime and light. I plan to try it when I get a little time. Hopeflly someone who has actually tried this will chime in.



Jim

 

[Alan Reagan]

Where did you adjust your cable? Mine has gotten out of adjustment and won't encircle the "P" for park and the alarm goes off even when it's in park. I really don't want to have to take this to the dealer to fix if it's something I can get to.

The cable is adjusted under the dash. Actually, it's under the steering column. I had to remove the panel to get to it. There is a clip that holds the cable position. Pop the clip up, go under the truck, move the shifter where the cable connects to it into the full park position, go back topside and push the clip in until it locks. It's pretty simple.



Here's a link to the service manuals: http://www.hemitruckclub.com/



The transmission shift cable adjustment is in there.

 

[JLehman]

i had to sign the waiver to not have the recall done. No problem, just dont do the bandaid non fix thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JBee]

No. I was just curious about the alarm sounding while checking the fluid with the truck in neutral.

Mine only does it when the door is open and in Reverse

 

[MackRock]

The cable is adjusted under the dash. Actually, it's under the steering column. I had to remove the panel to get to it. There is a clip that holds the cable position. Pop the clip up, go under the truck, move the shifter where the cable connects to it into the full park position, go back topside and push the clip in until it locks. It's pretty simple.



Here's a link to the service manuals: http://www.hemitruckclub.com/



The transmission shift cable adjustment is in there.

Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try.

 

[zippinbye]

I think JeffBradley states a fact that makes some of this thread moot - as reverse is the adjacent selection that is probable for engagment if park is not fully attained. I was lead to believe by my local dealer that "out of park" means either in a transitory state (similar to neutral) between park and reverse, or in reverse, and that true neutral and actual forward gears would not trigger the alarm. Of course my trust of dealers has lead me to avoid the recall so far ...

Another thought; regardless of where the gear selector must be to trigger the alarm, it seems that seat belt disengaged is one of the criteria. One member mentioned installing a jumper. Isn't there a way to deactivate the seatbelt alarm feature in the owner's manual? Of course, I am one of the 90% who have not looked in that book, and I am too lazy to head out to the truck right now! I just wonder if that would be one way to defeat the nuisance and avoid placing your signature on a document that burdeons you with more liability. You could always say "gee, I did not realize that the seat belt tied into my out of park alarm," which is better than saying "yes" when an attorney asks if a discolsure document bears your signature following a mishap.

 

[brods]

Keep in mind that the factory alarm on the 06 does not work exactly the same as the E17 recall alarm for the older models.



Also, you should not have to sign anything. I called two dealers and they said I had to get it done or get a waiver of some sort. I called DCX customer support and they said anyone has the right to refuse the recall. Went to the dealer and told them so and they did not do the recall.

 

[brods]

I also figure a dealer may try to do it if I don't specifically say not to..... so a little tag that may help



JUST SAY NO TO E17

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