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SARS may indeed be the "Killer Virus"

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FYI - what separates a Real Killer virus from the ones that the media have annointed is largely based upon ONE fact - it's ability to be non-selective in it's lathality on a population - i. e. - it kills EVENLY - NOT largely the weak, elderly, young etc! THis may be what we have - as initial reports seem to indicate that very healthy individuals are victims at teh same rate.



Ft Detrick - home of (USAMRIID) - (http://mrmc-www.army.mil/) and the hopelessly misdirected CDC as well as the WHO - have for many years been very concerned about a global virus - not necessarily bioterriorism - that could in fact take the human species "back to the stone age. " If SARS is that foretold event - the media due to it's being so easily misidrected and hopelessly unimformed - they'll not get this story correct until there is mass panic and it'll be to late. The next 2 weeks will tell the tale with the Toronto mess. More to follow - but if you were smart - you'd buy at least 5-6 gallons of bleach - and all the fae masks you can get your mit's on. They're going to make the fuel crisis seem like child's play.



If we had world travel in the "dark ages" - the black plague would have been even more devastating. In case you forgot - here's some data on how it got to Europe - AND YES it was VERY Infectious!



The Black Death: Bubonic Plague

In the early 1330s an outbreak of deadly bubonic plague occurred in China. Plague mainly affects rodents, but fleas can transmit the disease to people. Once people are infected, they infect others very rapidly. Plague causes fever and a painful swelling of the lymph glands called buboes, which is how it gets its name. The disease also causes spots on the skin that are red at first and then turn black.



Since China was one of the busiest of the world's trading nations, it was only a matter of time before the outbreak of plague in China spread to western Asia and Europe. In October of 1347, several Italian merchant ships returned from a trip to the Black Sea, one of the key links in trade with China. When the ships docked in Sicily, many of those on board were already dying of plague. Within days the disease spread to the city and the surrounding countryside. An eyewitness tells what happened:



"Realizing what a deadly disaster had come to them, the people quickly drove the Italians from their city. But the disease remained, and soon death was everywhere. Fathers abandoned their sick sons. Lawyers refused to come and make out wills for the dying. Friars and nuns were left to care for the sick, and monasteries and convents were soon deserted, as they were stricken, too. Bodies were left in empty houses, and there was no one to give them a Christian burial. "

The disease struck and killed people with terrible speed. The Italian writer Boccaccio said its victims often



"ate lunch with their friends and dinner with their ancestors in paradise. "

By the following August, the plague had spread as far north as England, where people called it "The Black Death" because of the black spots it produced on the skin. A terrible killer was loose across Europe, and Medieval medicine had nothing to combat it.



In winter the disease seemed to disappear, but only because fleas--which were now helping to carry it from person to person--are dormant then. Each spring, the plague attacked again, killing new victims. After five years 25 million people were dead--one-third of Europe's people.



Even when the worst was over, smaller outbreaks continued, not just for years, but for centuries. The survivors lived in constant fear of the plague's return, and the disease did not disappear until the 1600s.



Medieval society never recovered from the results of the plague. So many people had died that there were serious labor shortages all over Europe. This led workers to demand higher wages, but landlords refused those demands. By the end of the 1300s peasant revolts broke out in England, France, Belgium and Italy.



The disease took its toll on the church as well. People throughout Christendom had prayed devoutly for deliverance from the plague. Why hadn't those prayers been answered? A new period of political turmoil and philosophical questioning lay ahead.
 
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I don't want to down play SARS but last I heard it hadn't killed anyone under thirty. My feeling is the media just needs something else now that the war is done. What ever happened to the other killer diseases like mad cow, lyme disease and chicken flu they said were going to wipe out masses? They also fail to mention that an average 17,000 people per year die in the US alone from the flu.

There's always going to be some killer disease around and at this point it's good, there are already way too many people on this planet.
 
Big killer

The last big killer was a bug as simple as the flu in the early 1900s . So I put nothing past SARs. My wife believes it was made in a lab in China and just happened to get loose. I wouldn't doubt it. :eek: Well, I don't get out much, all the better.
 
I hate to sound insensitive, but......

I agree with Bill - we already have a population problem on our hands. Nothing like a good virus to weed out a few folks.



I also agree with CF's better 1/2. If it was a virus that was spread from natural causes - then there wouldn't be Chinese health officials suddenly not showing up for work.



When SARS kills more people per year than heart disease (... a nearly preventable disease, BTW) - then I'll worry.



Matt
 
The survivors lived in constant fear of the plague's return, and the disease did not disappear until the 1600s





Bubonic Plague has never disappeared. There are still reported cases every year all around the globe, including here in the U. S. The difference is, now it can be treated with antibiotics.



Humans can spread plague person-to-person only in its latter-stage, pneumonic form. Most times, the plague was spread by the fleas DIRECTLY infesting humans. Remember, until the late 19th century, personal hygiene and bathing was virtually non-existant.



Yuck!
 
Random thoughts on overpopulation

According to computer models the overpopulation du-du should hit the fan around 2015 with the first shortages being fresh water followed closely by oil.



Spending a million bucks to separate Siamese twins joined at the head and other similar operations is like throwing a turd in the gene pool. Guess it's all part of being PC.



Some folks think AIDS was a bio-weapon that got away. I had high hopes for it, but it really hasn't panned out.



The US had almost reached zero population growth till Reagan opened the floodgates to immigrants that opt for large families. Europe as a whole has now reached negative population growth.



War used to contribute to population control but smart bombs ruined that. Guess it goes with PC.
 
It can turn out to be one of the "super spreaders" that worries the CDC.

Bubonic plague is still here.

I was told that it's carried mostly (in the US) by fleas in prairie dogs, I dont know if the person was joking, I dont think so.

Eric
 
I was told that it's carried mostly (in the US) by fleas in prairie dogs, I dont know if the person was joking, I dont think so.





That is correct. Anything that can carry fleas, can carry Plague - prairie dogs, rats, dogs, and humans. If you recall, in the news last year, there was a man in NYC hospitalized with Plague. He was in intensive care. It turned out he had gotten off a plane from New Mexico.
 
Originally posted by swexlin

I was told that it's carried mostly (in the US) by fleas in prairie dogs, I dont know if the person was joking, I dont think so.





That is correct. Anything that can carry fleas, can carry Plague - prairie dogs, rats, dogs, and humans. If you recall, in the news last year, there was a man in NYC hospitalized with Plague. He was in intensive care. It turned out he had gotten off a plane from New Mexico.





Hummmm Hanta virus? (sp?)

Eric
 
Just remember, for those who think it will be good for a little popultion thinning, would you be joking this much if it killed your children and your family members??
 
"Hummmm Hanta virus? (sp?)

Eric"



No the Hanta virus is contracted when breathing the feces dust of old rat or mice droppings.



Bubonic plague is contracted through the fleas of rodents. The name stems from the word bubon, which is the gland in the arm pit. When a person contracts this illness they get flu like symptoms and there bubons swell and often turn black and blue. I remember a few years ago a couple people came down with it in California, believe they were hiking in the desert, they thought they may have contracted it through ground squirrels.
 
A killer bug is bound to happen sooner or later, it's all a part of Natural Selection. The human race has ceased to evolve with the modern sciences, thus leading to our population increases.

It is surprising to me that we don't pick up more of these diseases. Anthrax, Botulism, Plague, and E-Coli are all naturally occurring diseases found in soil.



Just read the newspaper and you will see that we really need some chlorine in the gene pool.



AIDS is creating a negative population growth in Africa



With China being so populated, it wouldn't surprise me if they had a huge outbreak.

It wouldn't surprise me either if SARS is a bug they engineered either (put on the tin foil hat!)
 
Were gonna just have to ask some volunteers to leave this planet in 2014??maybe if we ask nicely people will just go live on the moon?. . maybe i should buy some stock in the polar ice caps so we can melt them down for drinking water... eww my ice cube has a eskimo init
 
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