Scare With AMSOIL Dual Bypass Setup...Please Read

[TBland]

As some of you may have read a couple of days ago, I posted a concern regarding the drone associated with the full flow/bypass dual element system from AMSOIL and was told that this was a result of the oil pump noise transmitting up the lines to the filter head. With that knowledge, I decided not to worry about it as my oil pressure was normal and the truck ran and drove normally.



WELL, today after the truck had been sitting for a few hours, I started it, Oil pressure was normal for 30 seconds, the fell to 0 !! To spare you the details of my troubleshooting process, it turned out that something in the AMSOIL filter head blocked ALL oil flow! I got a regular filter, spun it on and everything seems to be normal. The truck ran for less that 10 seconds w/o oil pressure so I guess there was no damage done. Dissappointment and anger are two words I would use to describe my feelings at this point, we'll see what AMSOIL has to say.



I hope this was just a fluke, but I thought everyone should hear about this.







Tim

 

[brods]

Tim, I'm not sure what truck you have or if you have an aftermarket oil pressure gage.



Just FYI in case you didn't already know, the stock oil pressure gage is fake and only tells you if the oil pressure is above or below 6 psi. Above 6 psi and the pressure shown on the gage is made up by the computer based on various parameters, but not by directly measuring the pressure

 

[BHolm]

You say something in the filter head, but then go on to say that with a regular filter the problem is solved. So do you mean that something in the filter itself was the problem? Did the noise you were hearing go away with the regular filter on?



I can't imagine oil pump noise travelling through a rubber hose. That seems highly unlikely.



Were the filters screwed into the right bosses? I imagine that if you tried to push full flow through the bypass filter you could have a major problem (like you did).



Your post reads like you hold Amsoil's product to blame. Lots of those very simple systems running around. I just wonder what the actual problem was? Was it an installation issue, a user issue or an actual problem with the product? After all, we are really just talking filters and lines right?

 

[amsoilman]

As some of you may have read a couple of days ago, I posted a concern regarding the drone associated with the full flow/bypass dual element system from AMSOIL and was told that this was a result of the oil pump noise transmitting up the lines to the filter head. With that knowledge, I decided not to worry about it as my oil pressure was normal and the truck ran and drove normally.



WELL, today after the truck had been sitting for a few hours, I started it, Oil pressure was normal for 30 seconds, the fell to 0 !! To spare you the details of my troubleshooting process, it turned out that something in the AMSOIL filter head blocked ALL oil flow! I got a regular filter, spun it on and everything seems to be normal. The truck ran for less that 10 seconds w/o oil pressure so I guess there was no damage done. Dissappointment and anger are two words I would use to describe my feelings at this point, we'll see what AMSOIL has to say.



I hope this was just a fluke, but I thought everyone should hear about this.







Tim

I PM'd you.



Wayne

 

[jwilliams3]

I would get my money back. Hopefully you didnt toast your mains with that junk.

 

[lmills]

Posted about that once before myself. The dual remote is not recommended for the common rails. I am not sure why it doesn't work, but Amsoil offered me my money back and told me to switch to a single bypass unit.

 

[ACoffel]

The Amsoil website clearly states that the dual bypass is NOT recommended

for the 3g trucks. The BMK11 single bypass is the kit of choice for this application.

 

[lmills]

yeh, unfortunately, not until after I had bought mine. :-laf Doe anyone know why they do not work?

 

[p-Bar]

Mine's been working fine.

 

[lmills]

Mine's been working fine.

Do you have a aftermarket oil presure gauge to verify? I also notice you have the pre-oiler. That would probably make a big difference.



What we ran into was the factory gauge would immmediatley show oil pressure on start up. The ECM is programmed to show oil pressure immmediately. Then if no oil pressure is detected after 30 seconds, the gauge drops and the alarm goes off. So what happens is you start the truck, and if oil pressure builds after a 10-20 seconds, you woukld never know you were running dry unless you had an aftermarket oil pressure gauge to tell you. Unfortunately mine got worse over time and would take longer and longer to build the pressure after sitting. Not to mention I notice quite a pressure loss overall while running it.

 

[amsoilman]

This info is directly from Amsoil.

The BMK-15Ea Dual Remote Filtration System is not recommended for 2004 and newer Dodge pickups equipped with Cummins 5. 9L diesel engines. AMSOIL is recommending the BMK-11 for these applications. AMSOIL still recommends the BMK-15Ea for 2003 and older Dodge pickups equipped with this engine.

The reason for their recommendation is this: "In Isolsated cases when the Amsoil BMK-15 systems have been installed on 2004 and newer models, the computers have indicated low oil pressure via warning light and/or oil pressure gauges. This has created concern for Amsoil customers and Dealers.

In Acuallity, the new on-board diagnostics (OBD) system is more sensitive to oil pressure fluctuations, giving warnings at earlier levels than before.



Testing done in conjunction with Dodge certified technicians has verified that engine protection is not comprimised using the (BMK-15) Duel-Remote system. The testing revealed sufficient oil pressure in applications where the BMK-15 system was properly installed.

Installation variations from installer to installer can further impact oil pressure, such as excessively long hoses, tight radius bends, and using components other than those supplied by Amsoil will all impact oil presseure readings in this application.



To reduce/eliminate low oil pressure warnings and concerns, Amsoil recommends using the (BMK-11), on newer Dodge Ram trucks with the 5. 9L Cummins engines. [END-QUOTE]



Hope this helps,



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[lmills]

This info is directly from Amsoil.

The BMK-15Ea Dual Remote Filtration System is not recommended for 2004 and newer Dodge pickups equipped with Cummins 5. 9L diesel engines. AMSOIL is recommending the BMK-11 for these applications. AMSOIL still recommends the BMK-15Ea for 2003 and older Dodge pickups equipped with this engine.

The reason for their recommendation is this: "In Isolsated cases when the Amsoil BMK-15 systems have been installed on 2004 and newer models, the computers have indicated low oil pressure via warning light and/or oil pressure gauges. This has created concern for Amsoil customers and Dealers.

In Acuallity, the new on-board diagnostics (OBD) system is more sensitive to oil pressure fluctuations, giving warnings at earlier levels than before.



Testing done in conjunction with Dodge certified technicians has verified that engine protection is not comprimised using the (BMK-15) Duel-Remote system. The testing revealed sufficient oil pressure in applications where the BMK-15 system was properly installed.

Installation variations from installer to installer can further impact oil pressure, such as excessively long hoses, tight radius bends, and using components other than those supplied by Amsoil will all impact oil presseure readings in this application.



To reduce/eliminate low oil pressure warnings and concerns, Amsoil recommends using the (BMK-11), on newer Dodge Ram trucks with the 5. 9L Cummins engines. [END-QUOTE]



Hope this helps,



Wayne

amsoilman

No offense intended, but that is BS. I have mechanical gauges on both trucks that it affected. If a mechanical gauge is showing no oil pressure, then it is not a computer issue. It is obviously a design issue. Otherwise they could just issue a bulletin telling you it is safe to run. Instead they do not even recommend it and the caution against running it.

 

[Diesel Power]

This info is directly from Amsoil.





No offense intended, but that is BS. I have mechanical gauges on both trucks that it affected. If a mechanical gauge is showing no oil pressure, then it is not a computer issue. It is obviously a design issue. Otherwise they could just issue a bulletin telling you it is safe to run. Instead they do not even recommend it and the caution against running it.

maybe in your case but mine was fine it had oil pressure at all times, the ecm just threw in the red flag, i got tired of hearing the bells and got the bmk-11.

 

[RDHamill]

I have seen a fair number of the Amsoil by pass set ups over the years, they work well.

Be certain about one thing AMSOIL does not BS about anything, they don't have to. However I have also seen a few guys selling Amsoil that will tell you anything you want to hear, but these guys are everywhere.



I have only seen the by pass set up not work right if the "IN" & "OUT" lines have been reversed. But I guess a flaw in the machining could be possible.



probably best to go with the product that Amsoil is recommending for your given truck, that way you can be certain.



A little dig here,. . shame on Dodge for the BS oil pressure gauge that our trucks have. Here's a quote from the 2006 Ram manual

" The intrument cluster circuitry retricts the oil presure gauge needle operation in order to provide readings that are consistent with customer expectations. "



you either have 6psi or you don't



I hope your expectations have been met.

 

[lmills]

maybe in your case but mine was fine it had oil pressure at all times, the ecm just threw in the red flag, i got tired of hearing the bells and got the bmk-11.

Well Wade, you were the first one to reply to my thread about the issue with no oil pressure and said you could have told me it was the dual remote causing it.



First off, I fully support Amsoil. I don't feel there is a better synthetic on the market. Everthing in my truck is Amsoiled, except for the dual remote that I kicked to the curb. However with that aside, I have two trucks both with the same issue. Each kit installed by two different people, both with the same problem. So it doesn't sound very isolated to me. Now this thread pops up.



As stated before, if it were a simple electronics issue, I could overlook it. But the mechanical gauges do not lie.

 

[Diesel Power]

Well Wade, you were the first one to reply to my thread about the issue with no oil pressure and said you could have told me it was the dual remote causing it.



First off, I fully support Amsoil. I don't feel there is a better synthetic on the market. Everthing in my truck is Amsoiled, except for the dual remote that I kicked to the curb. However with that aside, I have two trucks both with the same issue. Each kit installed by two different people, both with the same problem. So it doesn't sound very isolated to me. Now this thread pops up.



As stated before, if it were a simple electronics issue, I could overlook it. But the mechanical gauges do not lie.

yes, i did replie to that post correctly, as i have seen many times this problem, but mine did it with proper oil pressure, and like your's may not have proper oil pressure, your's and mine are programmed differently too. but you know that if you had no oil psi that you would hear all kinds of bad sounds, like valveclatter, piston knock and other stuff that is accosiated with no oil--i would think so anyway.

 

[lmills]

OK, lets try this one more time, both trucks have mechanical gauges... neither have oil pressure on start up after sitting. Sometimes as long as 45-60 seconds. And programming would have nothing to do with the oil pump and bearing clearances. Also the one truck (555 engine) has started to show some wear in the rocker arms that we noticed while changing injectors.



So what could it be that seperates the common rail design form other years? We had the dual remote on a 94 12 valve an NEVER had an issue. Only on the 3rd gens. One is a 555 motor and one is mine(610)



Wade- do you ever just fire the engine and let it idle after sitting over night? I found that was when it was the worst on mine. If I fired the truck up and just drove away immediately, I never had the alarm or no oil pressure issue on the fake gauge. We first noticed it when I let it idle for a few seconds before moving in the winter.

 

[Diesel Power]

OK, lets try this one more time, both trucks have mechanical gauges... neither have oil pressure on start up after sitting. Sometimes as long as 45-60 seconds. And programming would have nothing to do with the oil pump and bearing clearances. Also the one truck (555 engine) has started to show some wear in the rocker arms that we noticed while changing injectors.



So what could it be that seperates the common rail design form other years? We had the dual remote on a 94 12 valve an NEVER had an issue. Only on the 3rd gens. One is a 555 motor and one is mine(610)



Wade- do you ever just fire the engine and let it idle after sitting over night? I found that was when it was the worst on mine. If I fired the truck up and just drove away immediately, I never had the alarm or no oil pressure issue on the fake gauge. We first noticed it when I let it idle for a few seconds before moving in the winter.

yep thats the same exact problem i had with mine--there was an obvious problem, so i eliminated it and got a bmk-11 no prb's so far Oo.

 

[lmills]

yeh, one of these days I will get around to getting the single unit. I want to switch the engine back over to Amsoil now that everything is back to 100%

 

[CBradford]

dang... ... this stinks..... i've got a dual bypass system sittin in the floor that i haven't installed yet... ... guess that's $200 down the drain