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Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Second Amendment Decission (Heller)

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This is exactly where the problem starts.

Who gets to interpret things. ???

The left adds the word " ASSAULT" for emphasis. This gets the 'sheep' on the left side of this issue.

I have " Assaulted" members here with a key board.

Any object can be used to assault others.

So we have to go all the way back to the intent of the second 'amendment'.

Actually the 2nd of 10 rights of the people.
 
"Why Gun Rights Advocates Oppose Gun Registration"

Excerpt from Gun Registration and Gun Control

by Bartholomew Roberts



GunCite - Gun Control: gun registration;firearm registration



A centralized registration system is the one usually proposed by gun control activists, and it is the type most feared by gun rights advocates. At the heart of resistance to registration is the belief that it encourages firearm prohibitions and ultimately leads to confiscation. (It is also why many choose not to comply and register weapons already owned. )



Those who favor more gun control often accuse gun owners of being paranoid, but the track record of firearms registration is not a good one.



The poor record of gun control and registration in countries without democratic traditions is discussed in these two sources and will not be elaborated upon here:



Of Holocausts and Gun Control, Washington University Law Quarterly, 1997.

Book review of Lethal Laws, N. Y. Law School J. Int'l & Comp. L. , 1995.

Democratic societies have also used registration to confiscate what were once previously legally-owned firearms. Many gun rights advocates "believe that a nucleus of anti-gun activists will agitate for restrictions and bans on the 'most dangerous' type of firearm in common use. When that gun is banned they will move on to the next model which will in turn become the 'most dangerous' type. Firearms owners fears are supported by what has happened recently in the UK, Australia, and Canada, and has previously happened in NZ [New Zealand]. " (The Registration of Firearms: A Compendium of Available Fact From Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, 1998)



Gun Confiscation in Democratic Societies



New Zealand has had some form of firearms registration since 1921. In 1974, all revolvers lawfully held for personal security were confiscated. (Same source as previous paragraph)



In May of 1995, Canada's Bill C-68 prohibited previously legal and registered small-caliber handguns. Current owners of such guns were "grandfathered," which means the guns are to be forfeited upon death of the owner. Bill C-68 also authorizes the Canadian government to enact future weapons prohibitions.



On 10 May 1996, Australia banned most semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic and pump shotguns. Prior to this law, many Australian states and territories had firearms registration. Owners of these newly outlawed firearms were required to surrender them (with some monetary compensation). All such firearms are to be confiscated and destroyed after a 12-month amnesty program. Roughly 600,000 of an estimated 4 million Australian guns have been surrendered to authorities and destroyed.



"Since 1921, all lawfully-owned handguns in Great Britain are registered with the government, so handgun owners have little choice but to surrender their guns in exchange for payment according to government schedule... The handgun ban by no means has satiated the anti-gun appetite in Great Britain. (All the Way Down the Slippery Slope: Gun Prohibition in England and Some Lessons for Civil Liberties in America, Hamline Law Review, 1999)



Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. (Same source as previous paragraph) The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons. " This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city. (NRA/ILA Fact Sheet: Firearms Registration: New York City's Lesson)



More recently, California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles (SKS Sporters) and declared that any such weapons registered during that period were illegal. (California Penal Code, Chapter 2. 3, Roberti-Ross Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 section 12281(f) ) In addition, California has prohibited certain semi-automatic long-rifles and pistols. Those guns currently owned, must be registered, and upon the death of the owner, either surrendered or moved out of state. (FAQ #13 from the California DOJ Firearms Division Page).



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To sum it up: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't trying to outlaw your guns. :D



What are your questions?
 
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funny remember buying my SKS in Cali . You could buy it over the counter because it was considered an antique. Things have changed.
 
When considering the Supreme's writing on the decision with regard to the acceptability of local restrictions, I am curious about their understanding of the 2nd's wording. . 'an individual's right to keep and bear arms shall not be INFRINGED'. From the recent ruling the Supremes evidently employed their interpretive expertise to O. K. a locale's licenses and registrations for in-home-use ( no machine guns or RPG's ).
 
5 to 4 we came only one vote from loosing our freedom. Gun owner or not the first step to becoming a communist country is to suppress gun ownership. Australia took away all the guns from their citizens. The criminals kept theirs and now crime went up 44%. Criminals will always keep their guns. We must keep ours to defend ourselves. Not only against criminals but against an obtrusive government. If you want to keep your freedom vote for MCCAIN, the Candidate that will appoint conservative Judges to the Supreme Court. Like him or not he is our ONLY hope. I don't have to tell you what Obamanation will appoint. In my lifetime 1/2 million of our Military came home in a Coffin to preserve our freedom. So that their lives will not have been lost in VEIGN we should keep our country FREE. Vote Mccain or loose your Country, it's just that simple.
 
funny remember buying my SKS in Cali . You could buy it over the counter because it was considered an antique. Things have changed.



They probably are referring particularly to the modified ones - 30+ ammo clips and various other mods - including fully automatic fire were pretty common for the SKS...
 
5 to 4 we came only one vote from loosing our freedom.



In my opinion, we came one vote from the start of a second civil war. (as if there is anything civil about war).

Many LEO that I know won't enforce a law like that. They won't go door to door. Maybe on a small scale if there is other charges, they do.

If there is war I hope it goes thru the courts.

No one with out an agenda can really think it is NOT an individual right.

Knowing the process and time frame of writing the constitution is key.
 
5 to 4 we came only one vote from loosing our freedom.



In my opinion, we came one vote from the start of a second civil war. (as if there is anything civil about war).

Many LEO that I know won't enforce a law like that. They won't go door to door. Maybe on a small scale if there is other charges, they do.

If there is war I hope it goes thru the courts.

No one with out an agenda can really think it is NOT an individual right.

Knowing the process and time frame of writing the constitution is key.
You got that right... one more 'straw' and the second revolutionary war is on.
 
When considering the Supreme's writing on the decision with regard to the acceptability of local restrictions, I am curious about their understanding of the 2nd's wording. . 'an individual's right to keep and bear arms shall not be INFRINGED'. From the recent ruling the Supremes evidently employed their interpretive expertise to O. K. a locale's licenses and registrations for in-home-use ( no machine guns or RPG's ).





Heller didn't dispute anything but the outright ban on handguns in D. C. ; therefore, the SCOTUS only made a decision on the outright ban, per se. Sure, there was some commentary on the acceptability of restrictions, but if you re-read the text, it was more at instant checks and things like that. They really didn't get to deep into that.
 
The 2nd Amendment was intended to insure the citizens possessed the means to overthrow a tyranical, unjust government.
 
The local news last night said DC was putting emergency laws in place that would require hand guns to be either disassembled or to be unloaded and locked, and went on to say that they expected to be sued! The reason is that they "want to reduce accidental discharges". It would seem to me that the ave person being awoken from a sleep, with someone in the home, adrenaline pumping, adding the OH #@$%! factor, fumbling in the dark trying to unlock & load or assemble factor would just be setting the stage for an accident because these are ideal conditions with regards to gun handling, safety, marksmanship ect :rolleyes:. Kinda seems like our right is being INFRINGED upon when they bring the laws into our homes, vehicles ect. I'm ok with background checks and the waiting periods they are proposing. Not sure about the registration part.



Unjust government, YES. Tyranical, while not a single person, but the govt as an entity, is getting there a little to fast for me! It's no longer by the people and it's definitely not for the people any more!
 
Never mind... . these laws are a great idea. It will encourages people to disassemble the guns before the police arrive on scene, to ensure their safety! People should keep there trucks locked anyways! And although I prefer to fire once, twice if necessary, I have no problems unloading it!:-laf
 
I purchased a springfield xd 40 sub-compact(3' barrel) just in-case(and I wanted it) obamawamam changes the law on us and we can't purchase small pistols.



Also the liberals get so ****** off about the gun thing, but it's in the constitution and without freedom of speech (another right), they couldn't hold their tea drinking,pot smoking,starbucks protest things. I guess some people just have to learn the hard way#@$%!#@$%! and aren't 97% of gun crimes done with illegal weapons? I believe crime went up in DC when the gun ban was in effect.
 
Chicago gun NUT Richard Daley recently said that having a gun in the house is like having gasoline in your house, with a lit wick, waiting for it to go off!!!

BTW, he is their Mayor.



Having the political parties control the elections is like voting to keep putting them back in office.



Every office in this country needs a 1 term rule.
 
Chicago gun NUT Richard Daley recently said that having a gun in the house is like having gasoline in your house, with a lit wick, waiting for it to go off!!!

BTW, he is their Mayor.



Having the political parties control the elections is like voting to keep putting them back in office.



Every office in this country needs a 1 term rule.



The second amendment protects us from idiots in office. Watch this video



Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For
 
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I've seen the video. We still need to use the ballot box as a way to protect ourselves. And to term limit these clowns.
 
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