second rumbling of timin/dur. boxes

[Tomeygun]

I ALMOST FORGOT...



he also said that he is pushing 45 PSI on the stock turbo... :--)



A bit much ?? i think so. . I thought that turbo was only good till 35 psi?



any one know?

 

[lmills]

Originally posted by tomeygun

to the best of my knowledge (which is terrible in the first place). . the edge box was the only one teasing us with stackablity... not TST, heck they didn't even have a pressure box did they ??



and By they way, CUMMINS recommended against , not TST, TST said the EGT is not even close to controlable,

BUT, you slap on some twins + injectors and now it gets interesting:



280 WHP stock + 150 (tst) + 80 (lvl6 EZ) + 80? (injector) = 590 rear wheel HP



490 RWTrq stock + 500 (tst) + 200 (lvl6 EZ) + 100? (injctr) = 1290 Rear wheel torque



stop me before I get max all my credit cards

You forgot the twins. They are good for another 100 HP at least. FWIW-I am currently seeing 40 psi on a regular basis with the quadzilla box. When running WOT I don't have any EGT issues either.

 

[Tomeygun]

Originally posted by lmills

You forgot the twins. They are good for another 100 HP at least. FWIW-I am currently seeing 40 psi on a regular basis with the quadzilla box. When running WOT I don't have any EGT issues either.

so when does the stock turbo become non-effecient?

35-45-50 ?!?



BTW, he also said he saw a stock 04 turbo pull 62 PSI on an engine dyno, and he said "i'm gettin outta here!!" hahaha



and at what PSI do we need to o-ring the block and use a fancy gasket? so we don't blow the headgasket...

 

[Spooled-up]

:{My poor clutch :{

 

[Floor It]

I'm in the process of upgrading my auto right now! I'm in on the first order and I'm waiting for my box any day now.



John

 

[DPKetchum]

Thats good,use Cummins as the escape goat. They probably don't recommend a box to start with being used omn their engines at all.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

He needs to send his turbo to Piers and have him work some magic on it. I tested one and am getting it back to put on permanently, definitely helped upper end power. Thread here



The TST underfueling is a feature that sells me on this box. If I do injectors I'd want the ability to underfuel in certain situations such as driving in snow or maximizing mileage on a road trip.



Can someone find out on the gauges if the EGT probe is based on K-Type thermocouple? I have one laying around I'd like to use.



Vaughn

 

[SMR1TL]

Looks like the new TST box really wants to eat up my tax return money this year... .



IN cab adjustable, 10 settings, 500 ft-lbs... . I'm really starting to like this thing.



Didn't see anything (meaningful) posted about possible mileage gains. Anyone have an idea on what the possible benefit is, if any, with timing/duration advances?



Just by what I have read I have to give my appreciation to TST for all the hard work in getting this box on the market... Not to mention all the other guys out there working on other boxes. You guys are the I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER

 

[lmills]

Originally posted by tomeygun

so when does the stock turbo become non-effecient?

35-45-50 ?!?



BTW, he also said he saw a stock 04 turbo pull 62 PSI on an engine dyno, and he said "i'm gettin outta here!!" hahaha



and at what PSI do we need to o-ring the block and use a fancy gasket? so we don't blow the headgasket...

Well, I always heard that the HY 35 supposedly loses it efficiency around 35 psi. After that the charge air is supposed to get heated. I am not sure of how much more I can push mine. As I stated above. I see 40 psi on a regular basis and the EGT's aren't getting out of control. So that leads me to believe that the intake air must not be getting too hot. As for the O ringing, I would say you could probably go as high as 50-60 psi before starting to worry. Some people have gotten lucky and held them at higher psi's. Some have had them blow with less psi. It is a luck of the draw.

 

[XcumminsX]

CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW THE GUYS FROM TST SAID THE 48RE WILL HOLD UP TO THESE POWER GAINS... . I HEARD THAT AMOUNT YOU CAN ADD TO A STOCK 48RE IS 80 HP..... ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO PLEASE POST IT!!!!!!!!so little patience

 

[StephenThomas]

I'm also interested in the ease of install and removal -- especially if you purchase the system with the gauges. Let's not forget that we all need a module that is easy to remove for when we take the truck in to the Dealers. Anyone have any info on this??

 

[XcumminsX]

Originally posted by StephenThomas

I'm also interested in the ease of install and removal -- especially if you purchase the system with the gauges. Let's not forget that we all need a module that is easy to remove for when we take the truck in to the Dealers. Anyone have any info on this??

Your warranty is gone already... . afe megacannon. . if they really want to they can pick on you for anything. And if something really wrong does happen to your truck and they dig threw your truck memory your screwed..... no point in hiding something like this. I think thats wrong. just my HO though.

 

[BillGotthelf]

Talking about the turbocharger that comes with the stock motor. Yes you can get 55-60 pounds of boost out of the-put enough fuel in the motor and block the wastegate and you can turn some inpressive numbers -egt as well. As the turbo boost increases so does the temp of the air being compressed. There is a point at which the air temp is so high you actually lose power even though fuel and air increase. I would bet that over 35 pounds of boost you probably would not make any more power with the stock turbo.

 

[DPKetchum]

A air filter housing or a exhaust is not going to cause much hiccup at any dealer tracing a running problem or trans etc. Put a box on and leave it THAT WILL. I want one easy to remove etc. No shame here about removal and pulling the wool over D. C. eyes Etc. I'm surprised that MOPAR performance doesn't have their own available. They do for gassers. But anyhow it want cause any guilt on MY end. I'm a pretty honest,decent person but some things just don't brother me and thats one of them!

 

[StephenThomas]

If an aftermarket product that I add causes a problem with my engine, then that is on me... . my responsibility. I understand those risks when I BOMB. What I want to avoid is unnecessary "mountain out of a molehill" type of denials of coverage when it's not deserved. Their are certain BOMBs that I choose not to rub in to my dealers face and a "chip" is one of them. I want a "chip" that is easy to remove. Thats why I currently have a form of the EZ... . just unplug it, remove the velcro and off to the dealer I go.



With this said, I am still very interested in the latest TST product... . especially with the gauge setup. I would however have to give it a 2nd thought if it is not relatively easy to uninstall for dealer visits. SO... I am anxiously awaiting some more details on how this product connects to our trucks. I am also very interested on TSTs take on how much HP/Torque our auto 48RE can handle from their product. Hopefully someone will post soon with all the "skinny".

 

[Prairie Dog]

Like DPKetchum, I consider myself an honest person. I don't however, consider Dodge honest. They would see the box and deny warranty on anything from a bad seal to a loose hose clamp. I too will remove the fueling box if something fails and make my own decision on whether the box was at fault. If the high pressure pump or something else associated with my mods dies, I'll fess up and pay for it.



Scotty

 

[DPKetchum]

I wont !!!! I'd be MUM// a great attorney told me once. DENY, DENY, DENY it does wonders. some things in life are this way. Also told me NEVER sign for a Registered letter there NEVER good.

 

[BillGotthelf]

It appears that the only thing that would remain after you take the TST box out would be the egt probe, 12v electric hookup and temp probe. You would only have the 12v connection source if you do not get the digital outputs on the more expensive model.

 

[Elite1]

I spoke with a Volumizer rep yesterday. The Volumizer is timing and pulse duration and doesn't add fuel. But does add some serious HP. So Quadzilla is wrong with his fuel claims... Guess all the other companies are trying to figure out how Volumizer did it! I was also told that the Volumizer can be piggy backed with an edge fuel box.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I think boxes like Bullydog and Quadzilla don't raise pressure until higher RPM to reduce stress on the system. Elite1 you might double-check with Motoblue to make sure, I'm a bit skeptical. If they didn't in fact increase fueling without pressure increase via pulsewidth modulation and timing I'd think it would be mentioned on vendors' websites, which it isn't (except for Advanced Performance Diesel).



Vaughn