Seeking Complete Ralleye Dash for 71 Challenger

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by BULLWAGON:
Kat-So you're building a 420 stroker for $2000??

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Yes I am. I ain't building but yes it is being built for $2000.

Least thats what I am being told it will cost... ..... wether thats true or not at this point I have no idea, but I have no reason to not believe the person I got the info from.

And also before I get accused of not having my story straight, the Dana 60 I had "found" was measured today and is for a 68 to 70 Roadrunner so it won't bolt up to my Challenger, therefore I will stick with the 8&frac34; rearend I am getting with the car.

Guess I'll have to post a parts and price list before you'll be satisfied... .....

Next question... .....

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Just an A engine forged stroker crank from MP is about $995. Full race Billet about 2,100

You are getting a good deal. #ad

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Chad Sheets:
We put a combo like this in an E body with 4. 56 gears and a 727, very impressive and reliable mid 12/low 12 second car.

<font color=blue>It sounds like it ran good on the strip, how about on the street? I want my car to be as streetable as possible and still perform decent at the strip if I ever take it there.

How did the swap meet go?

 

[Chad Sheets]

Nothing to brag about as far as prices go. Saw more mopar parts in that building than any other mopar event, excluding mopar nats. Saw a couple dashes, but they were so beat up and abused it would have cost more money to fix and buy them, than it would cost to buy a parts car. The old man got a nice 340 block and intake and carb for a couple hundred bucks. I got a gas tank and manual steering box for my buddies Challenger. Other than that, just alot of over inflated prices and diecast toys.

That 360 short block from mopar perf with those heads runs good. Those new 360 complete engines are newer style and have the newer heads on them. They are a good $3000, but they are nice, real nice, and all you do is bolt your carb on and go. No leaks, no old worn out parts from a swap meet, all new stuff. I have seen people run low 13's/high 12's with those and drive them to the track. Its fun dragin, but you cant beat walking out to your ride, firing it up and going for a drive. I am glad I got away from the radical engine set up. It was fun at the track, but you couldnt drive it anywhere. Now I can drive anywhere and still have a blast. A mid 12 second to low 13 second car is about perfect for having fun at the track and driving to McDonalds on Saturday nights. Just some food for thought before you start spending the cash flow.

 

[BULLWAGON]

Kat... Don't be a smartass. Do realize what it takes to make 400-450hp out of a small block Dodge? I think YOU are full of it.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by BULLWAGON:
Kat... Don't be a smartass. Do realize what it takes to make 400-450hp out of a small block Dodge? I think YOU are full of it.

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I am not being a smartass, I have openly said several times that I am not building the engine! I am only going on what I have been told. What part of that do you not understand? I have openly asked for help on many different things on the whole musclecar thing because I am new to it, I have been a diesel nut all my life, so I am not upto speed on the gas engine type stuff like most, hence I ask for help.

Theres a mustang dyno around the cornor from my house, once its built (spending $2000) I will dyno it and post the sheet here then and only then will you be satisfied I guess. Prolly won't be done until about August tho, and trust me I won't forget.

 

[BULLWAGON]

Dan-Am I jealous of Kat? I don't think so!! Kat is always running his hole about this or that(on the net). I met Kat at Scheid's rally last year. He came all the way from Nebraska to Indiana... . what about an 8hr drive? He hung around us a good part of the weekend and he might have said 10 words. The guy is very strange. All he did was slobber all over Stack'd and Jack'd and his truck. Who,by the way,is Kat's idol.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by BULLWAGON:
He came all the way from Nebraska to Indiana... . what about an 8hr drive? He hung around us a good part of the weekend and he might have said 10 words. The guy is very strange. All he did was slobber all over Stack'd and Jack'd and his truck. Who,by the way,is Kat's idol.

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Closer to 11 hour drive. I am queit in person yes because normally I am watching and learning rather then talking. Have always been queit in person unless I know someone rather well. I don't say anything unless I have something worth saying (in person). Most of the time when I speak in person people take things the wrong way, or out of context. I talk everyday for 8 hours a day at work so in person I don't say much. And yes I was very impressed with Eric's truck and still am. Still would like my truck to have the same look as his. His truck has my "ideal" look. Perfect example of things bein taken out of context.

You tell me to not be a smartass but it seems everytime I try to answer you say you think I am full of it.

As I stated in my last post, I'll spend $2000 on the engine, scan the reciepts, scan the dyno chart, then maybe you'll be satisfied. But don't look for it to be done before August.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by BULLWAGON:
The guy is very strange.

<font color=blue>Thanks for the compliment, I would hate to be dull and "normal".

 

[Chad Sheets]

Would it make everyone happier if the engine was going to cost $4000 to build? Maybe this guy owes Cat a favor or two? I got a friend who got me a new mopar short block crate engine for free once because I was his campaign mgr for a County office. You never know what kind of deals go on behind the scene from long friendships. I am sure if one of us called this guy to build an engine for us, the price would be different. Who knows. If its true, good for you Cat, mo power to ya. I like seeing others do good and get a deal every one in a while.

 

[KatDiesel]

<font color=blue>Another point of interest, the fella thats building the motor (remember I have said several times I am not building it) has a small block that runs 9. 01 at 148mph so I doubt getting 400hp is going to be a problem.


And in regards to your "Which heads" question, I have J Heads on the 71 360 I located, those will be used.

 

[BULLWAGON]

The factory small block heads have poor air flow. Which is not a problem until you start trying to push alot of air through them... . which is what you do when you try to reach these levels of power. You can hog them out,but you're better off to go with a pair of aftermarket heads. Chad mentioned Hughes-I am not familiar with their heads,but they have a very good reputation for cams. Indy cylinder and Mopar offer good flowing heads..... BUT,they cost money. Pistons,cam, intake,carb,ignition,and heads-oh yea,and a stroker crank-plus machine work and assembly. Kat,you'll have way more than $2000 in it. So quit running your hole and face the facts.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by BULLWAGON:
The factory small block heads have poor air flow. Which is not a problem until you start trying to push alot of air through them... . which is what you do when you try to reach these levels of power. You can hog them out,but you're better off to go with a pair of aftermarket heads. Chad mentioned Hughes-I am not familiar with their heads,but they have a very good reputation for cams. Indy cylinder and Mopar offer good flowing heads..... BUT,they cost money. Pistons,cam, intake,carb,ignition,and heads-oh yea,and a stroker crank-plus machine work and assembly. Kat,you'll have way more than $2000 in it. So quit running your hole and face the facts.

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Thanks for your concern, but you have no idea who is building the motor and what has been discussed and what parts are "laying" around.

As I stated before in an above post I will have the motor built, scan my recipts, scan a dyno chart from a Mustang dyno and then the "facts" will be right there and we'll both face them. If I am wrong, then I am wrong, and at that time I will admit to it. We'll see if you can do the same... .

 

[BULLWAGON]

Listen Jaggoff,you're running your mouth about having this motor built for $2000. You let on like all you have is a 360. Now,I don't know what parts are "laying around"? I don't believe a word you say about anything! First you say one thing. Then someone calls you on it... . all of a sudden you change it! Kat,you are a story teller. That's all you are. I don't give a **** about you,your car(if you even have one),your truck,or whatever else you say you have. You run your hole about everything to everybody. You are a computer geek who BS's everybody so you can fit in. Thats all you are.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by BULLWAGON:
Listen Jaggoff,you're running your mouth about having this motor built for $2000. You let on like all you have is a 360. Now,I don't know what parts are "laying around"? I don't believe a word you say about anything! First you say one thing. Then someone calls you on it... . all of a sudden you change it! Kat,you are a story teller. That's all you are. I don't give a **** about you,your car(if you even have one),your truck,or whatever else you say you have. You run your hole about everything to everybody. You are a computer geek who BS's everybody so you can fit in. Thats all you are.

You never asked what else I "had" so I didn't feel the need to tell you. Your the one who seems to know whats best for "my" motor so figured I would let ya think thats all I had.

I haven't changed my story, yes one time I misquoted the numbers and I admitted to it in the above post. Other then that my story remains the same. I just haven't given you the whole story from the begining.

Your the one running your mouth and resorting to "personal" attacks, not me. Don't like what I post then don't click on this thread, problem solved.

You seem like the only one that wouldn't believe me, find another person on this board that I have "lied" to or fibbed to to just fit in.

By the way I don't expect your post to stay around too long, but I am not deleting it.

 

[Power Wagon]

Kat. . I'm a moparhead from day one... so, if you want a little input on how to get 400HP from a 360, let's get together.

Don't run a 360 that fast. Unless you shell out mondo big bucks for a forged crank, limit it to 5500 (which is darn fast anyway), and some intelligent choices for cam, head work, headers, intake will get you 400+ HP at that speed.

Oh, yeah, and don't listen to any Chevy or Ford guys tell you how to make HP... They don't know mopars.

Oh, yeah, and HP is cheaper to make than most people think...

OHHH... I almost forgot... the reason the 340 is the choice for building hot motors is the forged crank that doesn't come in the 360 #ad


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[Steve St.Laurent]

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[BULLWAGON]

Sorry Steve