Shell T6 and Rotella oil filters, semi syn T5 questions?

[Bug Out]

I have been out of the loop for a while but need some input on these products. I have been using T6 full syn since I went to the 2013 and newer RAM. I just saw yesterday the T5 shell 15-40 semi syn oil on the rack at wally world, and also the rotella oil filter.

I tow 25% of the time anymore and I figuring the T5 ($5 cheaper per gal) might be the way to go. I change the oil at 9k, per previous oil lab rec's from tests on the T6.

Any input on the rotella filter, good bad ugly. Its $6.95 at Wally world.


TIA.

Ed

 

[Cummins12V98]

"Any input on the rotella filter, good bad ugly. Its $6.95 at Wally world."

NO NO NO!!!

Buy the Mopar sitting next to it. If you use a sub par filter and have an oil related warranty claim they WILL deny you.

 

[Bug Out]

So Shell Rotella filters are as good as fram's? FRAM being junk for diesel. http://rotella.shell.com/products/rotella-filters.html

 

[Killer223]

wow. i guess i'm in trouble. i have 70K on rotella filters and travellers 15/40 my engine still running good. I switched my 5.9 over to this set up as it's not driven much anymore. the 6.7 still uses the DBL7349. until i run out of them that is.


OP, get what ever oil you want. and what ever filter you want. change them at a reasonable time. your engine will never know the difference. if they meet the spec, it'll be fine.

 

[Jared Herzog]

I would pass on that filter. On another forum i have commented about the shell t6. A while ago there were discussions about pre filling the filters. The danger was plastic or foil getting into the filter. So i started using paint strainers every time i change the oil. I use them to fill the filter from a full jug. No problem. Then i got a funnel with a screen and put the oil through the paint strainer. I have been pulling out blue flakes from the jug manufacture process. The flakes are on the bottom i think. Other manufacturers may have the same issue. I was told they blow the jugs out before filling them. That in my mind creates static so may keep some flakes in the jugs. Is anyone else finding the same issue? I continue to use fleetguard stratapore filters and the t6.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Attending MayMadness and listening to the Factory reps they were VERY clear Chrysler is NOT going to pay a claim if they don't have to. Why take a chance over $7 per oil change???

I really doubt the filter mentioned has the Stratapore media.

 

[Bug Out]

Just read some other post where they figured it to be a Purolater filter. Those have a a bad rep too....

(1) shell rotella oil filter for sale ! RTO-47 $5.oo lol

 

[Killgore]

Both wise and funny; I like that. LOL

 

[Jared Herzog]

At my local Walmart the oil filters get stolen. Open the box before you buy. Out here the fram filters get put into the bosch and more expensive boxes all the time. Then the thief gets a better filter at a crap filter price.

 

[Jim W]

What is wrong in using the Fleetguard StrataPore filter ($13.95) or the lower cost version of a Fleetguard standard oil filter ($9.95)?

People will spend anywhere from $50,000 to $70,000 on a new truck, but won't spend $13.95 for an oil filter! This I can not understand one bit it just blows my mind!

BTW, Geno's garage sells them and will ship them to your house. I buy 6 at a time to spread the shipping cost over the 6 StrataPore filters.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I use the Stratapore filter per John Martin's review in the magazine a while ago. Remember that Mopar requires changing the oil and filter every 15,000 miles or six months whichever comes first.

 

[gsbrockman]

Remember that Mopar requires changing the oil and filter every 15,000 miles or six months OR 500 hours whichever comes first.

Fixed it

 

[Bug Out]

I have used Fleetguard exclusively since 1998 when i bought my first Cummins Dodge ram. Since the day I have owned 2013's and up, I have used Rotella T-6 as it cost the same as regular 15-40 rotella when changed at the higher intervals.

I was only inquiring about the status of the filters as I had never seen them before at Wally world. You never know, it could have been made by fleetguard for Shell...I have since via the internet learned its most likely a Purolater made filter and thus will not go on my cummins.

I do buy from Geno's when they are competitive in price. I usually buy the 2 fuel filters and oil filters/air filter at the same time and save $20-40 shopping else where. However, I always give Geno the first try over all others.

 

[NIsaacs]

I use the Stratapore filter per John Martin's review in the magazine a while ago. Remember that Mopar requires changing the oil and filter every 15,000 miles or six months whichever comes first.

Per O'Reilly's web site, the Mopar MO285 filter only has a 30 day warranty but out of all the filters they sell (12) the Mopar is the only one with an anti-drainback valve, whatever that does. Most of the filters they sell are good for 90 days, 1 year or even 2 years for the Motorcraft. I guess Mopar must warranty the filter for at least the 6 month change requirement.

Nick

 

[JWGreen]

correction to Rotella number

Did anyone else receive an email from MOPAR today recommending the Shell Rotella T5/T6 oil? What gives? Doesn't Cummins still recommend Valvoline oil? I thought all new 6.7L engines were shipped with Valvoline synthetic in the crankcase.

 

[gsbrockman]

Did anyone else receive an email from MOPAR today recommending the Shell Rotella T5/T6 oil? What gives? Doesn't Cummins still recommend Valvoline oil? I thought all new 6.7L engines were shipped with Valvoline synthetic in the crankcase.

As long as it meets the Cummins CES 20081 spec.....you'll be fine.

 

[Newsa]

Did anyone else receive an email from MOPAR today recommending the Shell Rotella T5/T6 oil? What gives? Doesn't Cummins still recommend Valvoline oil? I thought all new 6.7L engines were shipped with Valvoline synthetic in the crankcase.

Been getting those emails once or twice a week for a few months.

That's just someone trying to sell you oil changes.

I just delete them. It's not a mopar recommendation

 

[gsbrockman]

It's not a mopar recommendation

Engine Oil Viscosity (SAE Grade)
In ambient temperatures above 0°F (-18°C), we recommend
you use SAE 15W-40 engine oil such as MOPAR®,
Shell Rotella® and Shell Rimula® that meets Chrysler
Material Standard MS-10902 and the API CJ-4 engine oil
category is required. Products meeting Cummins® CES
20081 may also be used. The identification of these
engine oils is typically located on the back of the oil
container.
In ambient temperatures below 0°F (-18°C), SAE 5W-40
we recommend you use synthetic engine oil such as
MOPAR®, Shell Rotella® and Shell Rimula® that meets
Chrysler Materials Standard MS-10902 and the API CJ-4
engine oil category is required.
CAUTION!
Failure to use SAE 5W-40 synthetic engine oil in
ambient temperatures below 0°F (-18°C) could result
in severe engine damage.

Source : Page 288 of the 2014 RAM 3500 Diesel Supplement.

 

[Newsa]

Engine Oil Viscosity (SAE Grade)
In ambient temperatures above 0°F (-18°C), we recommend
you use SAE 15W-40 engine oil such as MOPAR®,
Shell Rotella® and Shell Rimula® that meets Chrysler
Material Standard MS-10902 and the API CJ-4 engine oil
category is required. Products meeting Cummins® CES
20081 may also be used. The identification of these
engine oils is typically located on the back of the oil
container.
In ambient temperatures below 0°F (-18°C), SAE 5W-40
we recommend you use synthetic engine oil such as
MOPAR®, Shell Rotella® and Shell Rimula® that meets
Chrysler Materials Standard MS-10902 and the API CJ-4
engine oil category is required.
CAUTION!
Failure to use SAE 5W-40 synthetic engine oil in
ambient temperatures below 0°F (-18°C) could result
in severe engine damage.

Source : Page 288 of the 2014 RAM 3500 Diesel Supplement.

My mistake. That's not in the 2013 diesel supplement on pg 94-96 where they talk about the Chrysler MS 10902, the Cummins CES 20081, and the API CJ-4. There is also a new oil rating being released next month for diesels that will start showing up in owners manuals. I believe it is API CK-4.

http://rotella.shell.com/products/pc-11.html?gclid=CIHi_-DYwdECFQaagQodUQwHbw&gclsrc=ds
http://valvolinepc11.com/




It appears Cummins recommends the Valvoline (and has for 25 + years), Mopar recommends the Shell Rotella or Rimula if you have a 2014+.

I've got some Red Line 15W-40 in the shed for the spring/summer.

 

[Bug Out]

I got a response from Shell on questions about their filters:Top is reply, bottom has my question.
[FONT=&amp]

Hi Patrick,[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Yes, we stand behind the quality of our filters, below is the filter warranty. We also have a filter hot line if you have questions about a filter application, 800-526-4250.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]More information on the specifications and a nice exploded view of the filter may be found here:[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]http://rotella.shell.com/promos/rot...932-02-ro-2015-oil-filter-commercial-ssht.PDF[/FONT]

In performance testing, it does as well as the non-synthetic media Fleetguard filter that meets the engine requirements.

Thanks for taking an interest in our products!

“SHELL FILTERS LIMITED WARRANTY
[FONT=&amp]Pennzoil-Quaker State Company, D/B/A SOPUS Products[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](“Shell”), warrants its automotive filters (“Filters”) to be[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]free from defects in material, workmanship, or design.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Shell automotive filters are manufactured to high quality[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]standards in accordance with Society of Automotive[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Engineers (SAE) and International Organization for[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Standardization (ISO) test procedures and guaranteed to[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]meet fit, form and function for those applications for which[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]they are cataloged.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]This limited warranty is effective for the number of miles[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]and driving severity published in the owner’s vehicle[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]manual as the recommended service interval for filter[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]replacements (“Warranty Period”). Shell will replace, free[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]of charge, any Filter which, under normal conditions of[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]use, is proven to be defective in material or workmanship[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]and is within the Warranty Period. If Shell further[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]determines, in its sole discretion, that the alleged defective[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Filter caused engine damage during the Warranty Period,[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Shell will also repair or replace any damaged engine parts.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]THIS LIMITED WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]misapplication, misinstallation and damages or failure[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]caused by rust or corrosion. THIS LIMITED WARRANTY IS[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]VOID under the following circumstances:[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]• Use of motor oil other than the viscosity and type as[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]recommended in the owner’s vehicle manual[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]• Damage or failure caused by misuse, negligence,[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]modification, accidents or abuse[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]• Damage or failure caused by unauthorized service or[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]use of unauthorized parts; and[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]• Filters which are submitted in a condition that prohibits[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]testing to validate any alleged defect or malfunction[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Shell reserves the right to make changes in design or[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]improvements to its Filters without creating or assuming[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]any obligation to install or implement the same on its[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Filters previously sold. In addition, Shell may change[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]this limited warranty policy at any time. Please refer to[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]www.pennzoil.com for the most current version of this[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]limited warranty policy.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, THIS LIMITED[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]WARRANTY IS IN LIEU OF ALL OTHER EXPRESS[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING IMPLIED[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. SHELL AND ITS[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]AFFILIATES AND SUBSIDIARIES WILL NOT BE LIABLE[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]FOR ANY CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL OR[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]EXEMPLARY DAMAGES OF ANY KIND. ALSO TO THE[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, THIS LIMITED WARRANTY[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]SETS OUT YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDIES WITH RESPECT[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]TO THE FILTERS. NO ATTEMPT TO ALTER, MODIFY[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]OR AMEND THIS WARRANTY SHALL BE EFFECTIVE[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]UNLESS AUTHORIZED IN WRITING BY AN AUTHORIZED[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]REPRESENTATIVE OF SHELL.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]To obtain performance of this limited warranty, the[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]purchaser must submit a warranty claim to the Shell’s[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Technical Services Department within thirty (30) days[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]after discovery of the damage or failure and make[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]the defective Filter and/or failed engine available for[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]examination and testing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Shell Filter Technical Services Department[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]1-800-848-3783[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Some states do not allow limitations on how long[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]warranties last, or the exclusion or limitation of[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]consequential or incidental damages, so the above[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]limitations or exclusions may not apply to you. This[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]limited warranty gives you specific legal rights. You may[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]also have other rights which vary from state to state.”[/FONT]

http://rotella.shell.com/promos/rot...932-02-ro-2015-oil-filter-commercial-ssht.PDF
[FONT=&amp]Regards,[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Keith Perry[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Shell Technical Information[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](800) 237-8645 Option 3, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Email: shelltechnical-us@shell.com[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Technical data sheets and MSDS may be found at: www.epc.shell.com[/FONT]


-----Original Message-----
From: ed schoolcraft

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:34 PM
To: SLUBE shelltechnical-us SLUBE
Subject: Shell Brand Oil filters liability etc ?

I have a question for you.I have owned Cummins powered Dodge and RAM vehicles for almost 20 years. I have participated in the Turbo diesel register.com web site which is exclusively Cummins powered Pick up trucks.

My question to you is, everybody on this web board says not to use the "Shell Rotella" oil filter as it is made by Purolater and the paper media can give out and plug oil injection points in the engine, thus blowing the engine.

I know some years ago FRAM had that problem and bought engines for some people.

Will Shell stand behind the oil Filters if the paper media gives out or will the buyer be stuck with the repair bill?

What if anything can you send me via e-mail that I can post on the web site to lessen people fears about using a Purolater made filter on their Cummins engine? Is it made to the same specs as Fleetguard etc ?

Thank you.

Edward Schoolcraft