Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Shopping for youth, single shot .410

[Deleted member 995608]

Need some advice for buying a .410 for a my youngest daughter.

I made my oldest start w/ a 12 gauge at 10 years old but my said I couldn't do that with Autumn so I guess I have to buy another gun :-laf

Has to be smaller framed, single shot preferred and light weight 5-6lbs +/- Hoping to spend $300 or less.

Thanks

 

[JR]

My first shotgun was a 16 gauge New England firearms single shot. 20+ years later it is still a good shot. No idea on the quality now but mine in particular has held up well and is the same gun my younger brother and sister learned to shoot on as well as my son. I believe their youth version is called the pardner, but it's been a long time and I might be off on that.

 

[jgillott]

I had a single shot Savage Stevens 12-gauge as a kid. I loved that gun and put it through its paces. I'm sure they also made a .410 and 20 gauge at the time.

 

[KBurgoyne]

Go with the .410 if that is what you really think she should have, but .410 ammo is getting expensive. It cost twice as much as 20ga. and you can get anything in a 20ga. There is also reduced recoil stuff and cushy stocks

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...New England SB1-450 PARDNER 410 22 FL YOUTH/
http://www.basspro.com/Mossberg-510-Mini-Super-Bantam-Shotgun/product/10218684/
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/condor-youth-shotgun

 

[BIGNASTY]

I have to agree with KBurgoyne on the cost of 410's, except that the are not GETTING expensive, they HAVE been for a long time. I started both my Children out on a Youth Model Remington Pump 20ga. The thing that I like about the Remington ( I don't know if others can do the same thing) is that when I bought the youth model I also bought the butt stock & barrel to make it into an adult size gun later on when my grow like weeds young-ins got bigger.

We have a young man of 13 years old as a Pard, I took the adult size butt stock off put the smaller barrel back on, with the youth butt stock and it works better and safer for him rather than swinging an adult size gun around. He use to single load it but now that he's had a couple of years of experience of " Bunny Blasting " at Miss Penny's garden predators he's moved up to a full load mag.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 995608]

After some thought, I'm going to get her a youth .22 bolt gun with open sights. I like the Savage Rascal or even Henry's Mini Bolt. I can get the Crickets and such for under a $ buck fifty but those are cheap azz rifles.

Autumn shoots my Winchester model 77 & my AR22 but only on a bench rest. Those rifles are still a little heavy for a 7 year old girl.

Was reading some last night where a dad started his kids with a .22 bolt gun. He only gives then two rounds and then the kids have to earn more rounds as they go. He would insert a round into a balloon, inflate it and then pin the balloon up. The kids would have to each shoot a balloon, secure their rifle and then search for the round that was in the balloon and repeat the process. I thought that was pretty cool idea.

Other than safety, I didn't spend a lot of time with our oldest about parts of the guns, open sites VS a scope etc. I just hung targets and fed her ammo until she was bored. I want to do a better job with Autumn than I did with Abbie. Hopefully Autumn will enjoy shooting and hunting more with dad.

 

[KBurgoyne]

here is a good for everything gun in 22lr.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-American22.htm

 

[Wayne M.]

here is a good for everything gun in 22lr.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-American22.htm

Wow. I was really jonesin for the Henry .22 but that's real nice. Fact it takes the 10/22 mag seals the deal.

 

[KBurgoyne]

I have a new plinker in mind too. Im looking to have a .458 Winchester cylinder made for my BFR.

 

[dodgesst]

My first shotgun was a small framed single shot 410. I was around 10 and it seemed big then. Still have it today 30 plus years later. I think it's a great idea.

 

[p-Bar]

My dad got me a youth savage 20ga. single shot . Traded it to his friend for a single 12ga. once I got older . He was going to take the 20 ga and cut for a pistol grip with sawed off barrel.

 

[KBurgoyne]

First one I shot was a wards western 12 gauge side by side. It's none too pretty, has the two worst triggers ever attached to a firearm, and I love that damn thing.

http://rockriveroutfitters.com/portfolio/wards-western-field-side-x-side-12-gauge/

You know, I think a .458 accurate reloading would be a good BFR caliber too.

 

[GHarman]

Payload for payload(Weight of shot ) and velocity for velocity! .410/12 ga There is no difference in recoil!
The lighter weight guns with deeply offset stocks(drop at the comb) slap the cheek really hard for a young shooter! My choice is the 12 bore with reduced/trap loads (low velocity and light payload. Get one with a good stock design. This is especially important for a young girl learning to shoot. They(Ladies in general and Younger children) do not have the muscle covering that older males have in their shoulder area. A PAST "Herean Shield" may be of some benefit! http://www.blackbearsportinggoods.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ELLPST360000&click=12

IMHO, add a few $ to your spending limit and keep a shooter for life!

GregH

 

[Wayne M.]

Mr. Harman, what do you think of the basic rem 870/ 12 ga stock in the terms you describe? I haven't shot much else to compare it to.

 

[KBurgoyne]

Timeout, you have permission to buy a gun and you have a self-imposed budget. These things are usually mutually exclusive.

 

[GHarman]

Wayne, 870's are good. They can benefit from some stock modification to the comb. The H & R single shots and others of this style often have a large amount of drop at the heel of the stock with the comb tapering upward. This sets the C/L of the bore high above the shoulder. It really fits well but it is a cheek slapper and shoulder thumper. Especially for youth. Check out the pictures and compare the location of the bore C/L and the stock geometry.
examples;
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/.../55004/New+England+SB1-041+PARDNER+410++26+FL

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_64_991/products_id/56470

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...ducts_id/411551209/500+1218.5+SYN+SHORT+STOCK

As a contrasting example. See how the front of the comb on this stock tapers down from the toe of the stock and away from the face. Even though the bore is higher than the comb the recoil will be more into the shoulder than felt in the cheek. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...ing+012270605+BPS+Micro+Midas+4+1+3"+20ga+26"

BTW, Buds Gun Shop is a good source. You just need a local FFL dealer to receive your purchase.

KBurgoyne, The decision is ALWAYS in the hands of the buyer. Knowledge is a benefit!

GregH

 

[Deleted member 995608]

I agree with Buds. I've bought (6) arms in the last calendar year and all but (1) came from Buds. I also like Impact Guns.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Well I've settled on a Marlin 915Y .22 for Autumn. She'll be 8 next month and growing taller daily so it would be nice to buy something she won't grow out of tomorrow.

The Crickets and Rascals and similar are roughly 30" long and weigh about 3lbs. They also are built somewhat cheap in my opinion but for about $160 average price, hard to beat for a starter .22.

The Marlin is about 33" and 4.25 lbs and is configured more like a standard bolt action adult .22 with solid components. Now I just have to endure the ridiculous 10 day Ca waiting period to pick the new toy up.

A recent court ruling agreed the Ca 10 day wait is unconstitutional but we have no idea what will become of the ruling. I'm okay with "a cooling off" period but 10 days is stupid. Im guessing that it might get reduced to 72 hours but I'm also being optimistic.

 

[Wayne M.]

Congrats mr Hawes! In ca, must you deal through a FFL like here in my commie state ?
Thanks mr Harman for the advice, good info. Sorry to butt in on the thread, I thought my question would be of help. The gunblast man is the real deal! I'm hooked! That Alaskan lever take down review was awesome!

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Every firearm must go through an FFL in Ca. I don't mind it but then again, since the age of 18, every firearm I've ever bought went through an FFL unless it was transferred from my parents so I really don't know anything different.