Smarty Problems?

[WOT]

I guess I don't follow the need for "boost fooling. " If the software is updated to accept larger boost values before defueling then why do you need to trick it?

 

[DieselFiend]

If it's set up to handle higher boost levels then thats fine with me. I just want to make sure I'm not defueling because the stock turbo is at capacity

 

[Luken]

Big Bob,



I'm glad to hear your having good luck with the Smarty. My buddy with the 04. 5 (I borrowed from) has had really good luck with it as well. That is partly why it was so dissapointing to see the outcome on my truck.



How do you like your twins?!?!?!



Lucas

 

[Bob Wagner]

I've still got the stock turbo. Are you guys saying that the smarty doesn't boost fool for the 05's??

boost fooling has not been offered yet. But it will be offered in the near future on special request.

 

[Red Ram]

Marco I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A BOOST FOOLER THE HIGH BOOST WILL LEAVE A FIGURE PRINT OVER THE FACTORY OEM STANDARDS IN THE ECM. (((THAN WILL SET OFF A RED FLAG)))??? :--) IS THAT TRUE, HELP US TO UNDERSTAND :{

 

[NPloysa]

Very interesting Bob, I will be getting one from you soon, can you tell me (or PM me) when the boost fooling will be available?

 

[BIG BOB]

Big Bob,



How do you like your twins?!?!?!



Lucas

I love them! Before I got them, I didn't realize the benefits they provided.



For anyone looking for Twins, I highly recommend IdahoCTD's Twins (Nathan Wright). There may be better for all out HP for drag racing and sled pulling, but for drive ability, street driving around town or pulling a trailer, I don't think you can beat them. They are a kick in the pants to drive around town. It's like you're drive a Hot Rod!!!! Very, very little lag!! They are awesome!!



Oh, I have to say that Nathan is a perfectionist, if it isn't right, and I'm talking fractions of an inch, it doesn't leave his shop till it is perfect!!



Again, this is my opinion.

 

[oneshotkyle]

hey BIG BOB does he have a website? my local hotrod diesel shop say his twin setups are the BOMB... how about his number?

 

[Augie]

Smarty and Jacobs Exhaust Brake on 06 Auto

Since it functions on ECM programming I just want to be sure they work well together. Bob will ask Marco about it but please chime in if you've already done it. TIA

 

[BIG BOB]

hey BIG BOB does he have a website? my local hotrod diesel shop say his twin setups are the BOMB... how about his number?

PM sent. Check it.

 

[brista]

Since it functions on ECM programming I just want to be sure they work well together. Bob will ask Marco about it but please chime in if you've already done it. TIA

I have a Jacobs exhaust brake and smarty. Everything works just fine.

 

[DieselFiend]

So what kind of boost levels are you smarty guys seeing right now without the boost fooling??

 

[Marco]

"Boost fooling"

Fellow BOMBers,

I feel there is quiet some confusion about the " Boost Fooling " on the CR trucks. Let me try to explain exactly what's involved with it.

Let's start from the 2003 to 2004 trucks.
Those trucks use a "traditional" wastegate. With traditional I mean to say, apply enough pressure to the actuator and the WG opens. All mechanical...

For those trucks my SW's actually already do the " boost fooling". That means, there is a table of values in the ECM that commands fuel based upon intake pressure. So much pressure, so much fuel. If the pressure exceeds a preset value in that table then the ECM will cut back on fuel. That's already taken care of with my SW's.
2003's to 2004's are a no brainer. No need for an electronic boost fooler. You need to "fool" with the wastegate actuator in order to see higher boost.

The 2004. 5 and up trucks.
In addition to the above they have an electronic valve to provide pressure to the WG actuator ( It's that black gizmo screwed into the turbo with the rubber line to the WG actuator ). That valve is controlled by the ECM and it's actuation is based upon... you guessed it the intake pressure.

In addition to the boost table discussed above there's a second table that deals with the duty cycle of that valve VS boost. At a certain preset point the valve opens, provides pressure to the WG actuator and the WG is opened.

That is the "problem".

The WG actuation is based upon the boost pressure, the MAP sensor.

Let's say for a moment Smarty is used on a truck ALONE. OK, I can mod the table that deals with the duty cycle, thus open the WG at a higher boost pressure.

Now we stack Smarty with the modified duty cycle table AND any box that does "boost fooling". (Almost all boxes fool the ECM into seeing less boost than there is in reality. )

What do we get?

Smarty's SW opens the WG at higher than stock boost pressure. PLUS the box fools the ECM into seeing less pressure. That translates into even more boost before the ECM will open the WG. Whatever is the weakest link in the chain will go BOOM... .

See?

That's what has held me back from relasing the "Boost Fooling" SW's for the 04. 5's and up . The Boost Fooling software's are ready. I'm still debating with myself if I should send them to customers upon request or publish them on our website ready for download.

Upon request is a problem because the file is hugh ( 20+ Megs ). Published on the web site is even worse. I can already hear it... "you didn't tell me that I would have blown my turbo with that SW"...

Thought's?

Marco

 

[DGStrate]

Marco,



For those people who want the boost fooling and understand what it may/may not do, AND for those people who are not stacking boxes (I am assuming that the modified boost tables in SMARTY are relatively safe if you do not stack?), what about a section of the website (under Downloadsa) that:



1) User clicks the link to download the "boost fooling" file...

2) User is re-directed to another page where the "boost fooling" is explained (as you have done in your post)

3) Page also explains the potential damage risk associated with running the boost fooling version of the software and stacking boxes/etc...

4) Force the user to click an "I agree and accept the consequences" link...

5) Then the software download begins...



You could even ask the user to put in a name and email address or someting before clicking the "I accept" link...



It is kinda of an EULA (End User License Agreement) to cover your rear, but still be able to provide the file/features that your customers are looking for...



Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?

 

[Marco]

Yepper! That could work. In fact that was more or less what I was thinking about...

BUT what about the guy that blows up his turbo or what ever with the boost fooling SW and then says that he just had the normal SW in his Smarty? With what I've seen lately I'm ready to expect about anything... .
Hmmmm... ... ...

Marco

 

[driverno8]

What about making it an actual option when your updating the ecm. Kinda like what TST has done now with all the options they provide (standard, early twins, late twins, etc). This way the actual unit itself contains everything for every truck with every option.

 

[HeberRam]

Marco, what about the guy that turns the Smarty up and runs it on level #9 all the time, and burns up his clutch? Same scenario? A disclaimer is all you could and would have to do... All aftermarket boxes, downloaders, accessories, etc. have disclaimers in regards to: "these products are for high performance use only, the vehicle manufacture does not indorse their use, and will void your warranty. Mad electronics will not be responsible for any damage done to a vehicle with the improper use of it's products, or be responsible for any causes with the addition of other performance enhancing modifications or the lack of such mondifications. "



I'm not an attorney, but the old "buyer beware" notice needs to be addressed. My $. 02 worth.

 

[DGStrate]

Yepper! That could work. In fact that was more or less what I was thinking about...



BUT what about the guy that blows up his turbo or what ever with the boost fooling SW and then says that he just had the normal SW in his Smarty? With what I've seen lately I'm ready to expect about anything... .

Hmmmm... ... ...



Marco

That is why I suggested that you collect an email address and/or name from the downloader... You will never be able to know 100% which software they had loaded in the SMARTY (one of the great features of the SMARTY), but at least you would know if they had or had not downloaded the boost fooling software at some point in time... Make the argument a lot shorter...



I really don't understand people who juice up their trucks and then want to point a finger at someone else and say "well, your product [insert some company name here] is what broke it!"



In addition, what "pecking order" is their when a stacked truck breaks? If someone has TST/EZ/SMARTY on their truck, who do they blame 1st?



Good luck with the issue at hand, by I have confidence that you (MADS) will deliver the content and the features that the customers want.



Thanks for your commitment to making the product what the membership and customer base wants!

 

[RobertP]

i have to agree with the above 2 statements.



Robert

 

[Red Ram]

Figure Print

Yepper! That could work. In fact that was more or less what I was thinking about...



BUT what about the guy that blows up his turbo or what ever with the boost fooling SW and then says that he just had the normal SW in his Smarty? With what I've seen lately I'm ready to expect about anything... .

Hmmmm... ... ...



Marco

DOES THE SMARTY LEAVE A FIGURE PRINT FROM THE OVER BOOST (BOOST FOOLER) SETTINGS IN THE ECM. :-{}