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rbattelle

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Let me begin by saying I am no English expert. I like to think I can write coherently, and that's about it. But I thought I might start a thread that gives some tips on how to write a bit more effectively.



Why would anyone be interested in improving their grammar on a web forum?

Because you'd be surprised how many people won't read your post if it's so convoluted as to be virtually unintelligible.



Some common "mistakes".



1. Capitalization.

Normally, capitalize the first letter of each sentence and only the first letter of the first word. Proper nouns (such as the name of a person, place, or business) should also be capitalized regardless their position in the sentence.

Correct: Hello, my name is Ryan.

Incorrect: Hello, My Name Is Ryan.



2. Punctuation.

The most common mark of punctuation is the period. Use this to end a sentence and signal the reader that a new sentence with a new idea is about to begin. Begin the next sentence 2 spaces to the right of the period.

Correct: Hello, my name is Ryan. At the TDR, my user ID is rbattelle.

Incorrect: Hello, my name is Ryan at the TDR my user ID is rbattelle.



Other common punctuation marks are the question mark (?) and the exclamation point (!). Question marks are used when you're asking a question. Exclamation points are for when you're excited.



The comma (,) is a little more difficult to use. Personally, I think of them as a "pause" in the reading. Here's a page that explains it much better than I can.



3. The Paragraph.

Use paragraphs to group related ideas, as opposed to a "wall of words" that is one giant block of text with no separation of main ideas. A paragraph usually starts off with a topic sentence introducing the content of the paragraph, then several sentences on that topic. It's not hard: when you conceive of a new topic that you want to write about, just hit "return" twice before you start the next sentence.



In a forum, use of paragraphs is particularly important, as readers are easily turned off by giant blocks of text. Here's an example of a "bad" post (in terms of paragraph use):



Hello, my name is Ryan and I have a 2003 3500. Recently I installed a set of mudflaps and the truck seems to have lost power. Is it possible the mudflaps are dragging on the wheels and slowing them down? I also have a friend who has another truck that has tube steps on it. They're really nice tube steps and I'd like to get a set. Does anyone know a good source for cheap tube steps? I run about 60 psi in my tires, what does everyone else run?



Usually in a post like that I'm "zoned out" within 2 sentences. That's a shame, because this person genuinely wants some advice, and his post should be given due attention. Here's a better way to organize it:



Hello, my name is Ryan and I have a 2003 3500. Recently I installed a set of mudflaps and the truck seems to have lost power. Is it possible the mudflaps are dragging on the wheels and slowing them down?



I also have a friend who has another truck that has tube steps on it. They're really nice tube steps and I'd like to get a set. Does anyone know a good source for cheap tube steps?



Regarding tire pressure, I run about 60 psi, what does everyone else run?



Granted, the 3 topics in that example would probably be better served as 3 separate threads, but you get the point I'm making: by grouping related ideas together it's much easier on the reader.



4. Proofread!

After you type a post, read it over! At least once, just to make sure you got your idea across. Forcing yourself to be the reader will make a big difference in your writing.



5. Be brief and to the point.

I've learned that the shorter your post, the more likely people are to read it. It's that simple.



For anyone looking for a quick way to make a huge improvement in their grammar, I suggest The Elements of Style. The book is very short (almost a pamphlet, really), but in many respects has become a "standard" in writing. It's written in plain language, and by simply following its rules your writing will improve by leaps and bounds.



I'm not being an "elitist" here, nor am I suggesting we should all become William Shakespeare. I just think if you keep a few simple principles in mind the "read rate" on your posts will be markedly improved.



It's my hope that others will respond to this thread with more suggestions.



Ryan

P. S. - man, I hope I didn't make any major grammar mistakes in this post! :rolleyes:
 
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WHAT I HATE IS WHEN SOMEONE TYPES IN ALL CAPS.



The spell checker on TDR is not a good one. If you have Microsoft Word you can type your post on a Word document and cut and paste it to the TDR reply box after spell checking it. If you don't have Word, You can download a free version of OpenOffice which almost identical here. I almost always find spelling errors checking my posts. Guess I should have paid more attention when I was in School.
 
my "home" forum is full of spelling and grammar nazis (I'm guilty of making fun of people over there!)



but there are so many rednecks on these diesel forums, I just let it go 99% of the time! LOL!



how about a quick refresher course on "to, too, and two", and maybe something about sell and sale... oh, and it's spelled/pronounced "solenoid", not sillinoid :p
 
..... and those thingies down there that stop the truck are brakes, not breaks

However, if you have a 6. 0, the thing up there that is supposed make it go is a break. :-laf
 
its all good, proper grammar is nice to see and read. i really think the only banishable offence is adding a g to the end of the word cummins (ala CUMMINGS) :{
 
March 2007 Diesel World Mega Cab Article

Great article about the Mega Cab, but there are a couple of grammar/slelling issues. For example, on Page 35 is "(but you already new that , right?)"



Thanks for the writing tips... :)
 
Good post Ryan,

I can pretty much deal with anyones style except for the looong paragraphs, many times I give up part way through.
 
Fortunately, my personal writing style is perfect, and totally devoid of errors... :-laf :-laf



I suppose when we restrict activity here to only those with college degrees, we might see an improvement in style and grammar - but we'll surely close the door on many exceptionally knowledgeable folks who make up the backbone and purpose for this board in the process! ;)



If all that some folks traveling thru this board have to do is paw thru posts looking for grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors, they might well be happier over on one of the literary boards that caters more to those pursuits - cuz you shore ain't NEVER gonna get all the Rednecks on this board to toe the line you might like to draw!



And the board might well be poorer for it if you did! ;)



Personally, I have little problem wading thru various writing deficiencies, if and when the subject matter is on target and accurate...
 
Gary - K7GLD said:
- cuz you shore ain't NEVER gonna get all the Rednecks on this board to toe the line you might like to draw!
See that right there is all good with me and many times even adds some fun. I only meant to say that paragraphs a page long I sometimes give up on.
 
Gary - K7GLD said:
I suppose when we restrict activity here to only those with college degrees, we might see an improvement in style and grammar



I disagree. I believe anyone with a basic high school English education can write very well - as good or better than someone who went to college (except possibly in the case of someone who went to college and majored in English).



Lack of "higher" education does not, in any way, preclude English composition skills. I'm constantly confronted with people holding advanced degrees who can't form a basic sentence or compose a coherent paragraph.



Like Matt points out, usually the posts that make me "give up" half way through are the ones that are a giant "wall of words" with little or no punctuation and little coherency of thought.



I just thought maybe if we gave people a couple simple, basic things to think about when posting, we might improve their "response rate". Sometimes I think people get upset that a post or thread isn't generating the response for which they hoped, and part of the reason is people either are giving up reading or don't understand what the author is trying to say.



By no means am I suggesting making some voluminous guide on "proper" post writing. Just a few key points.



Ryan
 
agreed, I don't have a college degree! :p



with typical spelling/grammar slip-ups, I generally just grin and push on through. But when I see a post that is just a rambling mess with no seperate paragraphs, I get dizzy and literally stop reading.
 
rbattelle said:
I disagree. I believe anyone with a basic high school English education can write very well - as good or better than someone who went to college (except possibly in the case of someone who went to college and majored in English).



Lack of "higher" education does not, in any way, preclude English composition skills. I'm constantly confronted with people holding advanced degrees who can't form a basic sentence or compose a coherent paragraph.



I agree,, what little writing skills I have came from k-12. I never did larn writing or spelling in collage.
 
By no means am I suggesting making some voluminous guide on "proper" post writing. Just a few key points.



OH, I think we all realize that Ryan - and I certainly agree with your basic idea - it's just that some guys go overboard and get so wound up over trivial issues that they toss the baby out with the bath water and lose sight of possibly more important issues.



I'm sure that most of my own occasional conflicts are caused by my own writing style, rather than by my actual intent or personality. Yeah, that's largely my own fault, compounded by the personalities of guys more interested in semantics and egos than the basic thought, meaning and intent of what I write.



That's why I tend to be sensitive when the subject of writing styles comes up - we're not all from the same educational or environmental backgrounds - I have only a high school education - many guys have far less formal education, but can easily write way more informed posts and subjects than I'll ever be able to on this forum, regardless of spelling or grammar.



And I, for one, appreciate their contributions, even when they can't spell or properly string a sentence or paragraph together. I'd far rather read the knowledgeable post of a guy who can't punctuate properly, than be artfully called a SOB by an "educated" member who properly dots all their i's and crosses all their t's... ;) :-laf



But let's face it, only a fool would propose or attempt to become a watchmaker if the only tools he owned was a sledge hammer and blow torch - so it IS sort of foolhardy to wade into a WRITTEN medium of communication without the basic skills to accomplish your goals, regardless of intentions and desires... :D
 
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