Sorry dealer, Citrus Dode

[KBennett]

Look for my truck in the next couple of weeks on ebay. I'm either going to look for a 2002 2500 or 3500 with low miles or I may go to brand b, Ford. This has been a very disheartening experience! Thanks for letting me vent, Sorry

Hmmm. Let's not jump out of the fire into the fry pan.

Yesterday I am sitting at the light and one of the new Ford's pulls up next to me. I looked in my side mirror to see if it was a dually or not and I see this cloud of blue smoke. At first I thought it was my truck only because a NEW Ford wouldn't smoke. Sure enough, it was the Ford. Wish I had my camera.



I wish you the best at getting your problem resolved and I would put all the pressure on the dealer to get things right.

 

[EBottema]

SG- Do yourself a favor and sell the 3rd gen and get a real injection pumped engine that was only in a second gen. Insulate the cab and do some other upgrades and it will be the best truck on the planet.

I have gotten lots of smart comments from 3rd gen owners like you have been getting, too many angry mobs around here. lol. Many i have met are great but some are just too stubborn to know why an injection pumped diesel engine is far superior in reliability to a new engine. Good luck with finding a second gen. Dodge dealers suck, dealers in general suck. The facorty doesnt pay full rate on warranty and the dealer doesnt want to do the work. Its tough to know who to really blame

 

[JHardwick]

SG- Do yourself a favor and sell the 3rd gen and get a real injection pumped engine that was only in a second gen.

What does that have to do with ... ..... this

1) ball joints loose

2) axle u-joint play

3) 70-80 mph vibration

4) rear end whine

5) limited slip not working at all

6) front speakers rattle

And besides, now that some of the 3rd gens are getting plenty of miles racked up, it's apparent that the injection pump and lift pump problems that plagued the 2nd gens doesn't effect the 3rd gens.



Oh, and 1st gens weren't injection pumped?

 

[rbattelle]

Last I checked my engine had an injector pump on it.



-Ryan

 

[rashwor]

E is just a 3rd gen basher. I caught him doing the same the other day in another forum here. My response again, as the other day, Don't knock it till you have driven one.



Denial... I don't think so on my part. I have a '92 VE pumped (240,000+), a '99 VP44 pumped (no mine any more, but still in the family, 178,000+), and now a '05 CP3 pumped. I bought the 05 last October and have over 16,000 miles on it. No engine problems yet. I am not saying it won't happen, but it is off to a good start!

 

[EBottema]

What does that have to do with ... ..... this

?

It has to do with this guy is a 3rd gen owner and he says he doesnt like the problems his truck has and the dealer won't fix them. You guys in turn get all defensive about your trucks like it is the end of the world. Similar to when i mention something negative about a 3rd gen, the world stops... Its still just a truck, get over it.

 

[mberry]

Hmmm... . Yup I gotta agree with EBottema on this one. It's like someone insulting your sister when someone says a bad thing about our trucks to some members. Me, I bought the truck I wanted. It's that simple. If E doesn't like it that's his problem.



Could be worse. I could be a Ford owner with a 6. 0L and say: "9,995 trouble free miles as of today. " and sweating bullets.

 

[KBennett]

SG- Do yourself a favor and sell the 3rd gen and get a real injection pumped engine that was only in a second gen.

 

[JHardwick]

It has to do with this guy is a 3rd gen owner and he says he doesnt like the problems his truck has and the dealer won't fix them. You guys in turn get all defensive about your trucks like it is the end of the world. Similar to when i mention something negative about a 3rd gen, the world stops... Its still just a truck, get over it.

Dude, his problems were all mechanical and driveline related ... ... ... . your defense is always electronics and too much for you to grasp. Your talking fuel, he is talking chassis, your just chomping at the bit to dis a 3rd gen.



So far no problematic symtoms have cropped up due to the lift pump or the injection pump. I owned a '99 and went through the injection pump deal with a horse trailer and three horses on a curvy road that left me vulnerable.



Seein as how your so in love with your 12 valve, stay on those forums and quit trying to kick up dust here ... ... ... ... your jealousy ooozes from your posts and some day you'll have a 3rd gen, so just chill and stop the stupid ****

 

[EBottema]

Dude, his problems were all mechanical and driveline related ... ... ... . your defense is always electronics and too much for you to grasp. Your talking fuel, he is talking chassis, your just chomping at the bit to dis a 3rd gen.



So far no problematic symtoms have cropped up due to the lift pump or the injection pump. I owned a '99 and went through the injection pump deal with a horse trailer and three horses on a curvy road that left me vulnerable.



Seein as how your so in love with your 12 valve, stay on those forums and quit trying to kick up dust here ... ... ... ... your jealousy ooozes from your posts and some day you'll have a 3rd gen, so just chill and stop the stupid ****

Okay dude... daaaaaadaaadue dude dude dude...

No, not all mechanical. Let me give you a good example- ford trucks have a driveline vibration and it is related to a mechanical thing (transmission) controlled by an electronic device (computer). They don't mesh well, bad engineering. Why does a brand new truck have a driveline vibration? It seems that a good amount of trucks exibit this problem. Why? Bad engineering. You 99 also had a bad designd and located lift pump. It can be fixed with a second pump no problem. In the world of many different computers on new trucks, the engine and the trans comp might not mess correctly causing a vibration clunk. The new 05 has a worthless drive by wire and took away a throttle cable. That could cause a problem sending a signal to another computer. There is no reason to make this complicated like it is being made today. Jealious? Ha. If I was then why would I not go out and buy a new truck? I can afford it but I choose not to. I would never own any vehicle without a thorttle cable. I'm not going to buy into the smog nazi's and get a new California legal engine. I'm a member here, if you don't like my posts, then don't read them.



Whatever happened with your truck, did you take it back to the dealer or is in on ebay yet?

 

[JHardwick]

Whatever happened with your truck, did you take it back to the dealer or is in on ebay yet?

On the '99, had the injector pump replaced under warranty at 96,000, sold it to a friend and bought an '03



****pulls bottom feeder off to the side****



I know you want a 3rd gen worse than you can stand it, but you need to quit ******* off current 3rd gen owners and do your best to hide your jealousy



Set your sights lil boy, you'll get there one day Oo.

 

[rbattelle]

EBottema, don't you find it a bit ironic that you take every opportunity you can find to bash the HPCR engine for excessive electronics, but you're using a computer and the internet to do it... shouldn't you write letters instead? Pen and paper contain a lot less electronics than that keyboard and PC you're using now.



-Ryan

 

[EBottema]

Computers are 2-3 year old throw away items. They get replaced since they are outdated. About 5 years on most computer parts makes them prone to failure. So again, you make unreasonable statements. WE will see in 10 years who is laughing. Period

 

[EBottema]

Nope sorry not in a million years Never want one, never will. My truck suits me just fine. Before i set my eyes on a 3rd gen I'd rather have a 99+ superduty with a 12v conversion or a old dodge D250 crew cab cummins conversion. out with the new in with the old

 

[DPKetchum]

Well lets get passed the ball joint issue. They are in specs at this moment are they not? Next is /are any u/joints bad or not? Then there is the DRONE,first it was posted as a VIBRATION. Two differant things,which is it? Next is how to get a 21 year old STUDENT of some sort into a early FORD diesel or Isuzu P'up so he'll have somewhere else to go discuss NON computer issues and can disuss all the old wiring and cables he wants.

 

[SGBARRACUDA]

Well this thread got d-railed, drone ?vibration? Idon't know what you would classify it but it's there. u-joints? yea there is play in them but I guess they're within "specs" cause they won't replace them either. I had a 95 x-cab that gave me years of great service, with that said the 03 has some tremendous improvements over the 95, Brakes,p/s, quiet,looks. But I'm not impressed with DC's approach to customer satisfaction. Who knows maybe after meeting with the area rep it will all work out.

 

[DPKetchum]

Drone is a noise. Vibration is when things bounce. Like change in the ashtry at 70 mph bouncing. Does change vibrate bad if in the ashtry at hiway speeds or is it a harmonic drone noise?You can have both. Or just one. U/joints,well a 4x4 has many. Front axel,driveshafts. No play in u/joints are acceptable. Which ones on your truck are loose. Front axel,front driveshaft or rear driveshaft? Or which ones to you think have a problem? Just trying to get this thread back on track.

 

[SGBARRACUDA]

Well i guess mine would be a drone, but you can feel it slightly. Axle U-joints have play,Outer stub axle shows play when wheel is off the ground and you rotate wheel forward then backward.

 

[JHardwick]

Well i guess mine would be a drone, but you can feel it slightly. Axle U-joints have play,Outer stub axle shows play when wheel is off the ground and you rotate wheel forward then backward.

That wont cause drone, the rotation of the axle is too slow for a harmonic vibration.

 

[p-Bar]

Look on the bright side when you replace them they will have zirk fittings on them so you can lube them and get more life out of them.