SPS 66 turbo. Where do I get a price? How is compared to HTB2 Sledpuller 66?

[Blacksdieselhp]

I've been reading about this SPS66 turbo. I have been using HT turbos stuff for a while. I really like them, but new stuff alway catches my interests. Hows it working compared to the Killer B2 or Sledpuller 66? And whats the price for the SPS66?

 

[Tomeygun]

I've been reading about this SPS66 turbo. I have been using HT turbos stuff for a while. I really like them, but new stuff alway catches my interests. Hows it working compared to the Killer B2 or Sledpuller 66? And whats the price for the SPS66?

I really dont think anyone has really compared them head to head, same truck, etc, etc



But I am really happy with my HTT SP66, BUT a ton of people love the II SPS66



So your good to go either way

 

[JVolpe]

I don't have any experience with anything other than the II SPS66. I love it. I can turn off the boxes and it runs and spools pretty much like stock. I turn the boxes up and it spools pretty quick and keeps the EGTs way down.

 

[bigrhett]

I gotta say that my II SPS 66 doesn't spool nearly as fast as stock 'specially without the TST turned up... Other than the lag, the power is addicting. It will hit about 47-50 psi on about 6/6 on the TST and it runs like heck. I'd sure like to know how to get it to spool faster.



I was waiting for an HTB2, but they didn't have 'em in stock and Industrial had the Phat Shaft in stock, so that's what I got.



I think Industrial is running a TDR price of $1650. www.industrialinjection.com Brett can help you.



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'05 2500 4x4 Laramie, ATS transmission w/billet input and triple lock torque converter, TST, water/meth, 35x12. 5x17 Toyo MT's, basically a straight pipe and an intake from HT Turbo, SPS66... HOLY COW!

 

[jwilliams3]

Bullydog will give you fuel right off the line, its not a secret on how to get it to spool faster.

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Phat Shaft 62/66

We can help you with our turbos. We have 3rd gen turbos in stock and should have 2nd gen turbos very soon (comp housing have been back ordered). We can tell you that customer satisfaction is very important to us and all you need to do is call us or one of our dealers and place the order. We ship UPS every day to any where in North America. We can ship next day air, 2nd day air, 3rd day air or if you would rather Fed Ex and Postal is also OK. But the TDR Special will be over when our inventory of turbos are gone. (Parts have been back ordered quite frequently) IIS/Phat Shaft shirts are free with purchase right now. And you will get one with your turbo. So make sure to give us your size. The shirts are very good quality and are very popular. The turbo specs and performance data has been well documented on these forums. We will always take time to talk to you and make sure that you understand what our turbos will do and also to make sure we match your truck and your needs. Call Shane or Brady at 1-800-955-0476

 

[JVolpe]

Well I will add when I say turn my boxes down, I still have Juice on Level 1 and EZ on Level 1. That gives me enough low end fuel/duration to spool as good as stock. It is a little laggy if the boxes are removed completely, but still driveable.

 

[bigrhett]

With the TST alone, it takes a while to spool regardless of the settings



I had the PPE downloader for a while and that was a bit better, but I turned the day into night so I pulled it off. I'm waiting for my EZ to get here, so that should help me. As always, I'm sure it's a matter of playing around until I get it right.

 

[Bandit1]

i know mine is one 12v but the more i drive with this phat shaft the more i love it, i was told that it would spool faster with time and it is, i have about 4k on it now along with the temps gettting down in the 70's this thing lites super fast, i was thinking tonight, i think it is fast than my old pdr 40.

 

[JStieger]

I was just at Industrial Injection the past 2 days getting an injection problem fixed and I also ended up trading my HTB2 62/14 turbo + some$ for a SPS 66 turbo as they were really, really interested in the 2 piece housing on the HTB2! I'm not going to comment on the price, but it was a deal I couldn't refuse.



IMO there is no comparison. With just injectors and box off, the turbo spools up faster than the HTB2 62/14 (qualifier: but this might have been due to my previously majorly carboned up DD3 injectors they replaced with their 3-Flows). While the boost gauge may show minimal boost - press the throttle and hold on - as in breaking tires loose in gears I've never done that before except on wet roads! Cruise EGT are similar to the HTB2 at similar boost, but at WOT the EGT are about 100-150* less with only 250 miles on it so far.



Edit: with previous HTB2 at 5,000' with 100 HP injector + very mild pressure box (VA C3. 1) on 100%, EGT hit 1250* WOT with the trail of black smoke. With SPS66 and similar combo EGT hit 1050-1100* WOT and everything is clear. Turbo is not broke in yet either w/ 300 miles. I'm putting the Juice/Attitude back on today - let the fun begin!



I got turned on to the SPS 66 after I drove a buddies truck with a HTB2 SP66 a few weeks ago. I was really impressed with how his truck drove at the time with only 100 HP pressure box level and TST off - spooled great etc. According to him, he wants to upgrade his SP66 to the SPS 66 based on his research between the turbos. Since I was at II already and I corresponded with a few TDR members who had recently bought SPS turbos with rave reviews, I just decided to go for the SPS 66. Also, when they pulled my HTB2 turbo off and laid it on the bench next to their SPS 66, the custom machine work is a work of art - as in not much on the HTB2 versus a considerable amount on the SPS 66 including the little details such as the boost elbow screw-in depth into the compressor housing.



Also, when you decide to get the SPS turbo you should clarify which type of downpipe you have. I have the original HTB2 turbo version down pipe with the angled, flared edge. The SPS exhaust housings are machined down from this version to the stock, flat face type version. So I ended up getting a SPS 66 without the end machined to stock type. This is why my visit there ended up being 2 days!



(Also, in the 2 days I was at II there were 2 guys that came in wanting to upgrade their SP66 to SPS66 too, FWIW. )



I've had nothing but good luck and reliable performance with my old HTB2 turbo, but the SPS 66 definitely raises the bar - at least for 3rd gen single turbos.

 

[Tomeygun]

I got turned on to the SPS 66 after I drove a buddies truck with a HTB2 SP66 a few weeks ago. I was really impressed with how his truck drove at the time with only 100 HP pressure box level and TST off - spooled great etc. According to him, he wants to upgrade his SP66 to the SPS 66 based on his research between the turbos. Since I was at II already and I corresponded with a few TDR members who had recently bought SPS turbos with rave reviews, I just decided to go for the SPS 66. Also, when they pulled my HTB2 turbo off and laid it on the bench next to their SPS 66, the custom machine work is a work of art - as in not much on the HTB2 versus a considerable amount on the SPS 66 including the little details such as the boost elbow screw-in depth into the compressor housing.

I was wondering about this, I thought no one has really came out and said what the difference is on these two turbos...



For example, what is advantage of the II SPS66 over the HTT SP66?

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: We now have comfirmation that comp. housings are shipped

All of you that have patiently waited for 2nd gen. comp housings are now going to get their turbos. Sorry for the wait! We will be supplying All back orders first. But we will have turbos to ship to anyone that wants them. The comp. housings were shipped last friday so we should have them in 2-3 days. And again we are sending a free T shirt with Phat Shaft turbo orders. The TDR special is still running and that makes this a very good time to order. 1-800-955-0476

 

[Diesel Nut]

Brett -

And what of Tom's question?



I am considering one of these too, but I want to know about low rpm surge issues. My BD super b, as small as it may be, I can tow my 5th wheel (13K lbs) and lug it clean down to 1400 and not hear or feel a bit of surge or chuff or flat out arguing from under the hood. Can I expect the same from a turbo of this size?



Also - Brett, you have a pm.

 

[zstroken]

I heard a rumor today that the SPS66 was made at industrial injection after an employee left HTT, went to industrial injection and presto, industrial injection had a turbo. Any truth to this? If this is the case you can probably guess the differences in them.

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Phat Shaft 62/66

You may want our Phat Shaft 62. It is all that you say that you want and it's good to 550hp. Our Super Phat Shaft 66 is a bigger and better turbo but a few people has said they have a slight comp. surge at 1700-1800 rpm and at very light load only. Most customers have not seen this and the problem has been mostly with 12 valve auto trans. My truck doesn't surge and Brady's is clean also. I just Won First Place at the Weekend on the Edge Drag Race event friday night. I ran a 13. 3 and a 13. 2 sec. 1/4 mile that night. Robert from Performance Chips of Utah did beat me after the main event was over. He had a . 2 reaction time and I had a 1. 2 reaction time on that race, but I almost caught him at the end of the quarter mile. Just exhibition racing at that time. But Roberts truck is very fast. I have towed Brady's Boat to Flaming Gorge (28' x 10' wide 13,000 lb cruiser). Lots of 6-8% grades all the way. and the Super Phat Shaft 66 is awesome all the way. When your towing you still need all the air you can get. Thats what the 66 gives you is lots of air and VERY low back pressure or drive pressure. That is what keeps the pyro temps low. Think of air changes through the engine. The more air changes the more power and the lower the pyro temps will be. Thanks

 

[zstroken]

Well I had said it was a rumor. So what are the differences? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[JStieger]

I heard a rumor today that the SPS66 was made at industrial injection after an employee left HTT, went to industrial injection and presto, industrial injection had a turbo. Any truth to this? If this is the case you can probably guess the differences in them.

Well to be up front - I guess I might have been the source of this rumor. Yes - there is an ex-HTT employee there. However, the II turbos are not exact copies of HTB2 turbos. However, it would also be safe to say that one can put perhaps the B1-04, HTB2/62, BD Super B, and PS 62 all in the same family for application purposes in the sense of overall horsepower suitability. Similarly, the regular PS66 and SP66 can be put in the same family for application purposes in the sense of overall horsepower suitability. This doesn't mean that they are the exact copies of one another or will perform exactly the same as one another. For example, when I exchanged my HTB2/62/14 turbo the only thing they wanted was the compressor housing (2 piece) to use on a test turbo for their 2nd gen 24-valve truck as they were waiting for an order to come in of these - nothing else of my HTB2 turbo was going to be reused in their PS turbo line because they used different parts than HTT. In fact when I left their shop, my HTB2 less the compressor housing was sitting off to the side next to a pile of old turbos ready to collect dust. Personally, if the II turbo line was available before I bought the HTB2, I would have bought the SPS 66 in a heartbeat. It spools like a stock turbo, while cools and cleans up smoke like a large single. In fact, it spools up faster than my previous SMALLER HTB2/62/14 so I guess this shows that they are not copies of one another.



The ex-HTT employee was quite proud of my HTB2 that he personally built on 12/4/04 - 2nd turbo of the day. Why shouldn't he be? After all, he had a personal attachment to this turbo and was proud of his handiwork. However, he was a lot prouder of the PS turbos he was building due to the design differences. Like a said in a previous post when you lay the HTB2 next to the PS turbo, the PS turbo has a lot more machine work done to it and has lot more consideration to the little details - details that are often overlooked, but really pi$$ off the person, like me, that has to install it. The SPS takes this even further, hence the "Super" moniker. Like I said in a PM to a member, if "port-and-polish" was in the dictionary, then a picture of the SPS should be there too.



I understand your guys frustration with trying to get design details out of II, but in a way I don't blame them for not giving this stuff out on the internet. Diesel cam manufacturers are the same way; it's just the way it is. If you do actually talk to the main turbo guy Shane there or go see them in person, I think you will find that they will go out of their way to explain the details. In fact, you will also find all their shop employees are quite proud of the products they produce and are willing to say so any opportunity they get.



I'm sure the other people on this thread that already have the SPS66 can understand what I just typed out!

 

[Hohn]

The work we have done particularly on the exhaust side is light years past theirs.

While I know very little about HTT, and even less about II, I would say that this is true.



HTT uses a "clipped" turbine wheel, and EVERYTHING I have read about modern turbochargers says that this is a big no no-- it marginally helps airflow, but KILLS efficiency.



There's no substitute for a PROPERLY designed turbine wheel. If it's clipped, it's not proper. Clipping is a band-aid to try and improve the wrong part.



jmo

 

[Morse]

If anyone is close to Olee Poole's shop and has a sps66, they are welcome to try my sp66 on a dyno to compare for a day. . This is very interesting. . Send me a PM if anyone is close. .