Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Stage 3 Injector Nozzles

[Pmaloney]

Well I bit the bullet and installed some of those Edge Stage 3 Jammer nozzles and all I can say is :--) :-laf !!!! My clutch now wont handle 3x5 on the comp box. I cant believe the difference! With the box off it feels like it did with the box on 4 or 5. I am obviously very pleased. Install was a piece of cake took about 2 hours not going crazy with it either. Now I just got to get in that Stage 2 water/meth kit I have sitting in the garage. Oh this is too much fun!!

 

[KKunz]

edge stage III? where did you get them were they the injector or just

the tip?

 

[0013]

hey patrick--

i was wondering if you could pm me with the cost of those nozzles and if you had a pop test them or just assembly them in the body and install. i was really looking hard at these for awhile. thanks bro and congrats.

chris

 

[Pmaloney]

I bought the injectors from this place http://www.autoanything.com/product...e _jammers_dodge_performance_injector_nozzles they are just the nozzles, install was very simple.

 

[LOtero]

hell yea i have been really wanting the jammers, but am waiting on a transmission and comp box instead of this weak lil EZ. so it was easy? nice. did you do any testing on them or did you just stab em and be done with it?

 

[Pmaloney]

I didnt pop test them I just stabbed them in, seems fine seems to actually idle smoother, power IMO is unbelievable. Wont be able to dyno since my current SB clutch isnt strong enough at 3x5.

 

[KKlingbeil]

Do you have to pull the injector completely out to switch the guts or not, i dont know much about injectors, or swapping them. Also, isn't pop testing somewhat important so each cyclinder is getting the same amount of fuel?? Just wondering, thanx!!!

 

[Pmaloney]

Yes you have to pull whole injector to swap the nozzles, as far as pop testing goes I have one at my shop and just didnt feel the need to utilize it, I figured if it idled rough or had a mis-fire, I would just pull the injectors and test them then, but its smooth so I am certain they are all fine. If you have any other questions about the install let me know, like I said it is extremely simple.

 

[mgoncalves]

The claim/rumor is you don't change the pop off pressure from changing the nozzles.



I wouldn't know either way, but that's what I have seen advertised.

 

[McDowra]

the pop off pressure will change when you change the tip. In the sets I have done it varies up to 500psi. Alot of people have had good luck just installing them. Thats why we offer the tips by themselves or installed in some core bodies.

To qoute Clint Eastwood



Do Yeah feel Lucky???????



always wanted to say that.

 

[KKlingbeil]

So what is the accepted amount of difference between injector pop off values?? I know people have different opinions on this, but in general?? Im assuming that if i got the edge nozzle and put in my cores, that most diesel shops could pop test them?? Maybe John Deere shop will have one, im sure they would do it for me!!

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

Do Yeah feel Lucky???????



always wanted to say that.

LOL!!! Yep there is a right time for everything!!





KKlingbeil, If memory serve me right Cummins has an 9% #ad
allowable varrience aceptance between injectors. I have heard roumors of 11% #ad
but that scares me. The Advent of EDM has brought that to a very tight 1% or less varrience in most cases wich is pretty awesome. In talking to a machinist a month or so ago I got to asking questions about cutting in sets. ( flanges for security doors ) So I asked him if he had any EDM Experience . Yep So Ding I start in on him. As long as the process is done in sets your spec should have the same mean number for that particular set of items. Do a batch and then another batch and yes there will be a slight varience in numbers between the two but are NOT anywhere near what the days of honing would be. I was over some of the far out stuff he was telling me about lazers , water jet , cnc , and BIG plasma cutters.

 

[KLockliear]

As long as the process is done in sets your spec should have the same mean number for that particular set of items. Do a batch and then another batch and yes there will be a slight varience in numbers between the two but are NOT anywhere near what the days of honing would be.

Am I reading it correctly that you think that honing or EDMing injectors is what allows for variance in pop-off pressures?

 

[justinp20012500]

Am I reading it correctly that you think that honing or EDMing injectors is what allows for variance in pop-off pressures?

I have never heard of EDM or extrude honing a nozzle would change pop off pressure...

 

[Pmaloney]

It doesnt change pop off pressure it only changes the pattern and efficiency of the spray.

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

Am I reading it correctly that you think that honing or EDMing injectors is what allows for variance in pop-off pressures?

Nope I mean the varrience in hole diameters between sets. Pop off rates are a whole different paint job.

 

[mlockner]

Patrick,



You bad boy. I'll bet the smoke from those stacks is cool. Hopefully you will be at the ATS event and we can all check it out.



Mike L.

 

[Pmaloney]

Mike, I would really like to attend the ATS event on saturday but I have two cars to work on (got to pay for the 2nd turbo somehow ) what time is it starting/going till? I may come up sunday if I cant make saturday to check out the dyno event, dont think I'll run since my clutch wont hold above 3x5 on the comp Hope to see everyone soon, not sure how many are planning on going to the dyno day. It seems like its time for a lunch or dinner event to get everyone together also. Good hearing from you.

 

[KLockliear]

Nope I mean the varrience in hole diameters between sets. Pop off rates are a whole different paint job.

So you are saying the extrude honing will produce variations in hole size, from one set to another, given the same nozzles as a starting point?

 

[justinp20012500]

So you are saying the extrude honing will produce variations in hole size, from one set to another, given the same nozzles as a starting point?

NOPE!!! If the tip was kept in the extrude hone machine for the exact same time the others were, they would all match almost exactly. (Provided you started with a matching set to begin with)



I have never tested a set of extrude hone injectors that have had different flow rates in a set.



Justin