Still wondering

[AHarris]

I read on Dieselram that the last day to order the 5. 9L was 4 December, and that as of 8 December, no more 5. 9L trucks were being built. I ordered a new MC with the 5. 9/48RE on 29 Nov. AAFES car sales accepted the order on 5 December. According to the order tracker website, the order for my truck was sent to the DC factory on 11 Dec.



A guy on the Dieselram forum ordered a MC about a week before I ordered mine at the dealer with the 5. 9/48RE. He just got a call from the dealer saying that the his order will be converted to the 6. 7/68RFE and that he will end up having to pay more for the truck.



My salesman at AAFES Car Sales (military car buying program available to peope stationed overseas in the military) swears up and down that I'm going to get my 5. 9 but that conflicts with nearly everything I've been reading in the BBs about when the 5. 9L production stops and the 6. 7L production begins. I guess I don't believe what he's telling me.



Given the amount of $$$ I'm spending on this rig, would be nice to know for sure which motor I'm getting. No one so far can give me any conclusive answers. The good thing is that if it ends up being the 6. 7/68RFE, I will pay the same low price for the 5. 9 I ordered.



Who's got the final answer on this? Who should I call?

 

[jcarey]

I 've read December 1st is the cutoff. However, you can still go to dodge.com and order a 5. 9L with either the 6-speed manual or 4-speed auto.



Maybe they're in the process of updating their site. I haven't got a clue, because a few days to a week ago, I went to their site and the 5. 9L was only available with the 6-speed manual trans.

 

[KCJackson]

I 've read December 1st is the cutoff. However, you can still go to dodge.com and order a 5. 9L with either the 6-speed manual or 4-speed auto.



Maybe they're in the process of updating their site. I haven't got a clue, because a few days to a week ago, I went to their site and the 5. 9L was only available with the 6-speed manual trans.

Just so no one is confused, you're not ordering from the doge.com site. It's just a pricing program like Edmunds or KBB. Those sites are not updated either as of today. Dodge.com is usually not updated until after the public release (October 1 for normal model year changeover, even though orders can be placed in July), so don't expect them to have information on the 6. 7L pickup engine or the 68RFE until after Jan 1. The internal system that dealers actually place orders is the only up-to-date information.

 

[jcarey]

Thanks for the explaination. Your're right. I was confused...

 

[JimB1]

Hey Yooper39. My salute to the guys and gals both far and near who go in harms way this 'xmass year so that we may be FREE! My Turn was long ago. Having just missed my order (Nov 28th, 2006) for a 2nd 2007 truck (1st truck ordered ok on Aug 29th, delivered 8 wks later, 2006) here's pretty close to the straight skinny how this works near end of year production. Motor Company always audits parts inventory before committing to build a order by issuing digits of VON or VIN to your build sheet. As parts supply dwindles MoCo starts pulling down low allocation dealer's website for those builds but high allocation dealers website/build sheets stay up. On Nov 28th I did the build sheet (only dealer websites have REAL build sheets that get electronically submitted 1 minute after making $$$$ deposit) at Bill Pierre, Seattle, and MoCo counted beans until Dec 15th before saying not enough parts to do it. That's it, game over, deposit returned, if you're truely working with a dealer. Start new build sheet. If you're working with Agents who in turn work with dealers, lots of hubris surrounds nub of the deal. Not being too negative on Agents since they go places dealers don't, but it's still a paycheck so they'll hold you on the line long as possible and maybe convince you of acceppting substitutions, models, prices you really didn't want, using the " it's only available for another day or two" hook. These rigs are breath taking to say the least. My rig is 3 1/2 tons dry, quick and nimble as a cat, right out of the box. Keep your powder dry and stay on the case until you end up with EXACTLY what you want. For detailed advice, I know old guy 3 tour SEAVET who works fleet sales for a Seattle dealer. I don't have his e-mail but can get it in couple days in you want. Jim. Cougar 31.

 

[AHarris]

Hey Yooper39. My salute to the guys and gals both far and near who go in harms way this 'xmass year so that we may be FREE! My Turn was long ago. Having just missed my order (Nov 28th, 2006) for a 2nd 2007 truck (1st truck ordered ok on Aug 29th, delivered 8 wks later, 2006) here's pretty close to the straight skinny how this works near end of year production. Motor Company always audits parts inventory before committing to build a order by issuing digits of VON or VIN to your build sheet. As parts supply dwindles MoCo starts pulling down low allocation dealer's website for those builds but high allocation dealers website/build sheets stay up. On Nov 28th I did the build sheet (only dealer websites have REAL build sheets that get electronically submitted 1 minute after making $$$$ deposit) at Bill Pierre, Seattle, and MoCo counted beans until Dec 15th before saying not enough parts to do it. That's it, game over, deposit returned, if you're truely working with a dealer. Start new build sheet. If you're working with Agents who in turn work with dealers, lots of hubris surrounds nub of the deal. Not being too negative on Agents since they go places dealers don't, but it's still a paycheck so they'll hold you on the line long as possible and maybe convince you of acceppting substitutions, models, prices you really didn't want, using the " it's only available for another day or two" hook. These rigs are breath taking to say the least. My rig is 3 1/2 tons dry, quick and nimble as a cat, right out of the box. Keep your powder dry and stay on the case until you end up with EXACTLY what you want. For detailed advice, I know old guy 3 tour SEAVET who works fleet sales for a Seattle dealer. I don't have his e-mail but can get it in couple days in you want. Jim. Cougar 31.

Thanks for the kind words. My wife and I are priviledged and proud to serve this great nation.



Well it doesn't sound like I'm going to get my 5. 9--since my order was actually submitted to the factory on 5 Dec. AAEFES took their time even though I ordered it from the salesman on 29 Nov. They still swear up and down I'm getting the 5. 9, but I don't believe it based on what I read here on TDR and on the other site. I'll stand by and wait for them to call me. If I don't get the the 5. 9 I might as well cancel the order, get my deposit back, and just get the new 6. 7 (or a used 2006/early 2007) when we get back to the States in 2008... that will give me a chance to see how the 6. 7 does in its first year.



Everyone have a Merry Christmas. I better get off this thing now before my wife gives me he77 for being antisocial on Christmas Day!

 

[JimB1]

Yooper 39, It's still possible you'll get it. If MoCo had the parts it might be in production as we speak, however if that's the case then MoCo had issued last 5 or 6 digits of VIN or VON, can't remember just exactly which BUT they definitely will have issued some numbers. Get the Agent in a corner, look him square in the eye and KINDLY request proof via the digits MoCo will have issued. If it's being manufactured those digits have to be assigned to the build sheet. I'm also going to wait year or two for 2nd truck to see how the 6. 7 L does. Would rather have had two 5. 9's. Deposite money back should be automatic. Narley behavior in order if Agent gives run-around on that one. If you're not back 'til '08 PING me anytime if there's anything I can do from Seattle on this end. Jim.

 

[KRay]

order

If it is getting built as a 5. 9 they will definitely have a VIN number by now. If it is in BG status it will not be getting built. Your ordering dealer can pull it up by VON or by last name on the order. I hope it did get built. The way DCX allocates to dealers really screws the consumer sometimes who did nothing wrong except choose a dealer to order with that DCX decides not to give any allocation to. To make it worse, if we take the extra vehicles the factory arm-twists us on it messes up our days supply and then we won't get allocation for sold units even if they have the parts. We are the biggest dealer in Oregon and that happens to us if we take plussed units from the factory.



Good luck and thanks for serving!



Ken Ray

Fleet Manager for 11 years at

Ron Tonkin Dodge

Gladstone, OR

800. 460. 5292

 

[AHarris]

If it is getting built as a 5. 9 they will definitely have a VIN number by now. If it is in BG status it will not be getting built. Your ordering dealer can pull it up by VON or by last name on the order. I hope it did get built. The way DCX allocates to dealers really screws the consumer sometimes who did nothing wrong except choose a dealer to order with that DCX decides not to give any allocation to. To make it worse, if we take the extra vehicles the factory arm-twists us on it messes up our days supply and then we won't get allocation for sold units even if they have the parts. We are the biggest dealer in Oregon and that happens to us if we take plussed units from the factory.

Ken and Jim: Appreciate the information. I just say my AAFES saleman today and he showed the following on his order screen saying "order confirmed. "



I'm not sure what "BG" means. He tells me he's still waiting for the build date to show up on the computer. He did not have a VIN number on his computer--that field was blank.



Below is the e-mail traffic between us:



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Hi Andrew.



I have copied and pasted the most up dated comment in my system stating that the truck will be order buddy my Christmas was good. I think I may of eaten to much turkey but it was good please see comment. [12/13/06 UNIT ORDERED & CONFIRMED] I will know more in the next few days have a good one buddy I hope that your Christmas was as good as my.







Best Regards,



Will James



From: Andrew and Sue Harris [mailto:yooper39@tks-net.com]

Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:23 AM

To: 'William James'

Subject: RE: Harris Bank Statements



Will,



Hope you and your family had a good Christmas!



Any word yet on when they're supposed to build the truck. On some of the Dodge Cummins BB's they're saying Dodge isn't building 5. 9s anymore... can you confirm that I'm still getting my truck with a 5. 9 Cummins?



Andrew

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[KRay]

order confirmed

Having an order confirmed means nothing. That just says that DCX has received it. We get those when we submit the order and a VON (vehicle order number) is assigned. If it does not have a VIN number by now it is not getting built. All 5. 9 diesel production is over. There are trucks still in transit that were built in December, but those will have VIN numbers. The factory has been shut down for the holidays for at least a week now and when they start up again they will be building 6. 7 engines, not 5. 9s. They CANNOT put a 5. 9 in a January build truck as that will violate the EPA regulations that precipitated the changeover to the 6. 7.



Sorry to be the one to tell you, but hopefully you can find one already built somewhere that comes close to your specs.



Ken Ray

Fleet Manager

Ron Tonkin Dodge

Gladstone,OR

800. 460. 5292

 

[AHarris]

Roger that--what a bummer :{



I wonder what will happen next then--I ordered a 5. 9/48RE... will they (DCX) automatically convert that to a 6. 7/68RFE for the same price or will they let AAFES know then I get a phone call?



Reason I'm concerned is--since it sounds like I'm not getting the 5. 9, then I want to wait and order a 6. 7 2008 for Stateside delivery so I can see how the 6. 7 does in the first year. The whole point of me doing it now and getting this truck in Germany was to get the last of the legendary 5. 9s (not to mention the very low price!). I'd rather not test out the 6. 7 with it's 15 PPM ULSD requirement on European Diesel when it was designed for US Spec ULSD for the last year we're here in Europe.



I'll contact my salesman and ask him to get on the phone to his NY office and get the straight scoop. Sounds like I wont be getting the new truck here in Germany after all and will be waiting 'till we move back to the States in 2008.



Some smart guys on this site--that's why I keep coming back. Thanks! Andy

 

[KRay]

It will not get built with a non-valid order option package. Sold orders do not get changed by the factory like an inventory order would.



Ken Ray

Ron Tonkin Dodge

800. 460. 5292

 

[AHarris]

It will not get built with a non-valid order option package. Sold orders do not get changed by the factory like an inventory order would.

I guess the "non-valid" order package refers to "ETH" for the 5. 9 while the 6. 7 is "ETJ". I guess that means I should expect a call from AAFES Car Sales after the first of the year telling me that my truck won't be built at all then.



Don't think my AAEFES Car Sales Rep (who also sells Fords, Harley Davidsons, Chryslers, Buells, etc) has this level of knowledge... not sure his POC in New York does either.



I've heard on other posts that people sometimes don't see VINs and build dates until the truck is actually built since the computer doesn't always catch up. I ordered this thing a month ago. Also, I offer the following quote to you from a member of Dieselram in response to a topic over there on this same issue... any thoughts on this(?):



"I had a long telephone conversation with a D/C fleet ops guy and he stated that the factory could install 5. 9's up til Jan. 8, 07, you should be able to get the build date soon, mine went from scheduled to be built to actually built in about 10 days, so it is getting close. "

 

[JimB1]

Yooper39, Sorry to say I aggree with Ken (nice to have a dealer guy post) no VIN no build. I missed by a few days my 2nd '07 a work truck. 5. 9, 3500, Reg Cab, 4x4, auto, long bed. Factory told dealer I passed Audit, whopee I sez, dealer said don't mean nuthin' 'til VIN's get put on build sheet, then hung in BG status for bit over 2 wks before deal was flushed. Got my play trk (signature) so guess that's good enough for now. I've saved long time for this and held cards a tad too long. Oh well, Happy New Year to you & yours. Jim.

 

[AHarris]

Code "A" in the system

I went back to the AAFES Car Sales guy today and he got into his computer. The truck shows "Ordered and Confirmed" as of 13 Dec. There is no VIN assigned and no build date... the status code in the Computer is "A. "



He says it doesn't look good but wait until after the holidays to know for sure. He says that, since AAEFES Car Sales is "factory direct" they can get "favors" that regular Dodge Dealers can't. "Don't give up hope, he says, there is still a small chance you still might get your truck--you'll know for sure in a couple weeks. "



Yeah well I'm not holding my breath.

 

[jam1on1]

can i ask a question nothing to do with dodge but i ordered a new freightliner in sept. pre 07 emissions and dealer says truck wont be built until april bu i will still have pre 07 engine?

 

[JimB1]

Yooper39, What is the meaning of "is" was the most brilliant demonstration I've ever seen how anything can mean anything especially if you can do PC speak. "Ordered and confirmed" most likely "confirmed" is an acknowledgement someone in the pipeline recieved some paperwork at one of the processing steps of ordering. Every Agent wants to demonstrate they've got the inside line on the white flag lap. Nature of the beast. For me, I got over not being able to factory order exactly what I wanted in my 2nd '07 trk and went back to the dealer to search '06's and luck of the draw found a 06. 5 almost exactly what I wanted. Should be picking it up in another day or two. If I don't wreck I should be good on iron 'til I'm to old to get a leg into the cab. Then there'll be some deserving nieces or nephews... , A salute to you and yours, JimB.

 

[BRayls]

can i ask a question nothing to do with dodge but i ordered a new freightliner in sept. pre 07 emissions and dealer says truck wont be built until april bu i will still have pre 07 engine?

I bet the epa does not let them build it.

 

[BigIronRam]

can i ask a question nothing to do with dodge but i ordered a new freightliner in sept. pre 07 emissions and dealer says truck wont be built until april bu i will still have pre 07 engine?

I've got the same deal with Freightliner. Ordered a new one last August 31st, supposed to be pre '07 emission BS, delivery scheduled for end of December, now we're told it'll be end of March, but we're still getting our pre '07 emissions? Sure, I believe him, not. :{

 

[jam1on1]

big iron what engine are you getting im getting mbe900 300 hp 1000 on torque