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I need a new set of speakers for my livingroom (see the Sentry Fire Safe thread). I'm planning about $500 for right and left channels.



Before I head to the local AV stores to listen to a few, I figured I'd see if any of you have suggestions (no "oil wars" please).



I want a set that can hold up to dymanic classical music, jazz and also serve as the right and left channels for surround sound.
 
Classical and Jazz? A man that truly understands fine music. I've found that Boston Acoustics have a nice clear natural sound and are available in a moderate price range like you are considering.
 
I put in Cambridge sound works built in speakers in my family room. They are reasonably priced and I have been very pleased with them. They get pretty good reviews from the the audiophile mags from what I have seen as well. I have the Ambiance 82s for the front channel, the MC300IW for the center, and Ambiance 60s for the rear http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=spk_inwall .

For a sub I am using the 12S, http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=spk_subwoofer

I have a newer Sony reciever with the line output to the sub, and it handles all the crossover points, the only pain was getting a line cable long enough to run through the walls to the sub, Best Buy had a 50' which is what I ended up using.

The system is hardly noticable in the room, the speaker frames and grills are painted wall color and the sub is under a end table in a corner so you cannot see it unless you are looking for it. I used to have a system with floor standing speakers but it was too cluttered, this is much neater and there is no worry of them being knocked over or exposed wires.
 
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I have the Polk's, both towers and bookshelfs (Not the baseball sized speakers) in two surround set ups. The sound is very clear, the high's are just right, not to bright. Mids are very clear and tight. I listen to quite a bit of blues and some jazz, the Polk's sound is incredible, rich sounding is how I would best desribe them. Definatly take a look at them, 5 year warranty on speakers, no questions asked. Stay away from their subs, found them to be less then stellar. Give the Velodynes a listen to in the sub end of things, real tight, and will rattle your windows.



Mike
 
I checked out some Bose tower speakers recently. Most of what I found were made in china (which I refuse to buy from), but the Bose are made in Mexico. They sounded great and were moderately priced. I plan to get them for my home stereo in the near future. I imagine they would sound great with classical because they were incredible with bluegrass coming through them! ;-)
 
It's been my experience that Polk Audio tweeters are some of the best at ANY price. Compare the highs of the Polks to even the super-pricey Martin-Logan planar magnetics or other $20K price class speakers. You'll see that they compare QUITE favorably with much more expensive speakers.

It's VERY difficult for me to recommend speakers because NOTHING is more subjective than sound. Each of us hears sound differently. What may sound like harsh highs to me might be "clarity" to someone else. What sounds like out-of-control, poorly-eq'd bass to me might be "good bottom response" to someone else. You get the idea.

Take Bose for example. I grew up listening to 808s and 804s (as PA units w/active EQ). They are the PA version of the famed 901. The vast majority of people listen to a Bose speaker and think-- "Wow, that sounds great".

See, Amar Bose realized that while human hearing technically extends up to 20Khz, VERY few people can actually hear that high. Most people can barely detect even 16Khz. So he didn't see a need to reproduce the very highest octaves. Thus, many Bose designs had NO TWEETER at all, just 4. 5" drivers that produced what he deemed sufficient high frequencies.

If you play a "high" note on a piano, it only registers up to about 5Khz. If I crank up my electric guitar and my Mesa Boogie amp, I can scream a high note that sounds ear piercing, but my guitar speakers only respond to about 5Khz.

The reason that highs are important then, is only because of HARMONICS. These are the infinite combinations of frequency multiples that determine the Tone of an instrument. Harmonics are why a C2 note sounds different on a flute than on a trumpet than on a guitar, etc. A pure tone with no harmonics sounds like a tuning fork-- a hum.

So, to clearly reproduce the uniqueness of Celine Dion's voice, you need to have clear high frequencies that can reproduce the 2nd, 3rd, and maybe even 4th order harmonics that her vocal tonality contains.

Also, research suggests that even if a person can't hear a pure tone generated at 16Khz, they CAN hear a difference in tonality when all frequencies above that point are muted. It's because the highs contribute a lot to the sound- they are more important when in the context of harmonics than when simply a pure tone.

As an example, you can listen to Mariah Carey on her older recordings and hear that when she sings, it sounds like there is a perfect unison exactly one octave higher. This is because her voice contains VERY strong second order (fundamental frequency X 2), so you hear the next octave up.

Finally, high frequencies are responsible for signalling to our brains information on location and time relative to other sounds. Ever pull up at a light next to a bass-booming junker? Notice how it's often difficult to locate which junker is actually the one with the overdone bass. This is because bass is omnidirectional-- it radiates out equally in all directions. This is why you can put a subwoofer almost anywhere, even firing into the floor, and it still sounds great.

Not so with higher frequencies. The higher they are, the more directional they become.

Imagine that you are standing in front of a single driver (transducer) playing a midrange frequency. The sounds radiates out in a cone-shaped pattern from the point source of the driver. You can move from side to side and the relative volume of that pitch will seem fairly constant.

As the frequency gets higher, this cone because narrower and narrower, reaching the point where you can't move much to the left or right without a significant drop in perceived volume level.

This is why with direct-radiating speakers you have the "sweet spot" where each tweeter is firing right at you. If you can make it so left and right tweeters are equidistant from your left and right ears, then you will experience a startling "image" where it seems you can actually POINT to where the different instruments were located when the recording was made (assuming simple stereo recording, nothing panned hard).

In order for this "image" to have the utmost clarity, it's important that ALL the frequencies that are even remotely directional seem to come from the same place. In other words, you tweeter and midrange drive should be located in the same place or as close together as you can get.

There is a way around this limitation, though. It's called a "D'Appolito Array". All this means is that instead of having one mid and one tweeter, you arrange the drivers with TWO midrange speakers and one tweeter EXACTLY HALFWAY between them.

This configuration tricks your ear into thinking that the midrange is coming from the tweeter, because when you hear the same thing from two equidistant sources, you brain averages them and thinks the sound is coming from the point halfway between them. VOILA-- a "virtually colocated" midrange pair and tweeter, when they are physically three separate drivers.

Anyway, back to brand recommendations. The top of my list for bang/buck is Definitive Technology. I own a pair of BP2000's with the built in powered (300w)15" subs IN EACH ONE. I have all the bass I could ever want, and it's adjustable on the back to I can tune the crossover point and level to match the bass response to the room they're in. My speakers were floor models, so I got them for $2K instead of $3K. I've had them 6 years now and they still amaze me with every listen.

Also, the DefTech speakers are Bi-polar, which gives you the lush "sound everywhere" of a Bose-type speaker while STILL giving you the clarity and imaging of a direct-radiating speaker.

I've heard a million speakers, and you can definitely find more EXPENSIVE than the DefTechs, but you won't find anything that sounds better by any significant amount.

They are now up to the 7000 series (7000, 7001,7002, 7004, 7006). The differences as you go down are subwoofer size (from 14" down to 8") and subwoofer amp power. They have really crnaked up the sub power since I bought mine. Now they're up to 1800W, whereas mine are only 300W. Obviously the smaller subs have smaller amps built in.

The most affordable DefTech bipolar towers retails for $1200 a pair. Worth every penny, and you might be able to find a store that will deal with you like I did (SoundTrack in Colo Springs).

If you can't swing the bipolar towers, give a close look to their other models. They lack the D'appolito array, but still sound great, and can be had for $600 a pair.

I spent so much time on high frequencies because they make the main difference in overall sound, imho, assuming the rest of the speaker is pretty decent.

Think of BALANCE as you listen. Is there a frequency range that just sticks out?

I'd also recommend that you take a CD you are very familiar with for demo purposes. Listen to it though high-quality headphones and keep that sound in mind and a reference.

Justin
 
Forget big speakers ... try a set of headphones ... the worlds best!!



My father's company ... Grado Labs ... (http://www.gradolabs.com/) makes the worlds best headphones - the RS1 and RS2.



When you listen to music with a pair of these, you feel you are right in the middle of the band/symphony.



You will NOT regrete purchasing a pair.
 
Don't try out loudspeakers in the demo room and take those results as the final decision. You can make a rough guess there and find a few favorites, though.



The specific acoustics of your listening room affect how any speaker will sound. Find a place that will let you try a set out in your house for a bit.



Bose stuff is overpriced and made from cheap components - but some of their speakers really are 'sonic marvels'.



Polk makes some really good stuff for the bread. Boston Acoustics is the same deal... B&W... the list goes on and on.



Get a set of good bookshelf speakers and a Sunfire True Subwoofer - 2700W of badness! (It's an oldie, but goodie. ) :D



Matt
 
i'm very happy with my B&W 600's series [604s3's]. paridigm is very good too...



my b&w are made in england, and most [if not all] paridigm's are made in canada [canadian company]
 
"Don't try out loudspeakers in the demo room and take those results as the final decision. "



I totally agree with the above statement. The bookshelf Polk's I bought w/center channel, sounded terrible in the sound room at Circuit City. I had already returned a set of those little Polk speakers (don't waste the money). Anyways, took a gamble and bought the mid size Polks anyways. Turns out they sounded as good as my old Polk towers in my living room. Make sure you can try them out in your house, and be able to return them if need be. That is one good thing about Circuit City, you can do this up to a year from purchase if you upgrade. Full refund, can't beat that.



Mike
 
The Paradigm speakers where #2 on my list. If it weren't for the deal I got on my DefTechs (and a slight edge in sound quality based on MHO), I would have gone with the Paradigm.

Paradigm proves that Canucks can hear well:D

Justin
 
I owned a nice set of Polk Audio speakers (2) that I loved but then decided I needed surround sound so I bought a set of Bose surround sound speakers (5 dual cubes + a passive sub) and sold the Polks. The Bose were great for surround but not so great for music and after about a year with the Bose I started looking at speakers again.



At first I just wanted a nice set of speakers to use when listening to music and to keep the Bose for watching movies and TV in surround sound. I was leaning toward Polk Audio again when a friend suggested Paradigm speakers which at the time I had never listened to. Only 2 places in Dallas sold them at the time so I had never gone out of my way to listen to them.



Personally, I think the Paradigm speakers are hands down the best. The sound is very transparent, its like the band is set up in my living room, sometimes it seems like I can place the instruments in relation to each other. I ended up selling the Bose and adding Paradigm's for the center channel and for the right and left rear channels and I also purchased a NHT 12" powered sub to get really low, but I only use that for surround. In regular stereo the Paradigm's sound better than the Polk Audio speakers and in surround they sound better than the Bose.



During the past 6 years that I have owned these speakers, I've had family, friends and neighbors compliment me on the incredible sound of these speakers and several have gone out and purchased them.



In the end it really does come down to personal preferences and what your ears hear, but do yourself a favor and go listin to the Paradigm's before you make a purchase.
 
sound better than the Bose



a commonly said thing at my store, and something i picked up from reading some misc home theater newsgroups



"no highs, no lows, must be bose"



:-laf:-laf i think it's funny, but others don't. then again, others like fords and i don't... ? [flame suit is now on]
 
Actually, the Bose produce great highs and lows but have no midrange which is ok for movies but not for music.



When I heard that little saying it was " if its just highs and lows, it must be Bose".
 
Ever wonder why Bose doesn't publish their frequency response graphs?



Because they're HORRID! You can make a loudspeaker sound awefully impressive by having some well placed peaks on the freq. response graph.



Matt
 
Well Paradigm's Won!



I ended up with the Mini Monitors. I found then to produce mid-range a bit cleaner than the Performance series Titan. I picked up a Paradigm sub-woofer at the same time. After listening to these at home, I realize that I'll be back to the store to replace the center channel as well The old Bose center doesn't even come close.



Now I have to fabricate some shelves and fish new speaker wire through the walls. The old Bose system used a passive subwoofer that distributed the channels with and input and an output. Right now, I have the respective ends of each channel wire nutted together.



Thanks for the advise!
 
Great choice.



Paradigm speakers are hard to beat, to me they sound better than a lot of big name speakers that cost big dollars.
 
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