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I was speaking to one of my contacts today. He informed me that he has 200

of the Sachs 13" clutch kits. . At the price he offered them to me it is going to be tough to turn them down... If I do get them. I will put a post in the "group buy" section on the site... The clutch I am refering to is the heavy all cast iron pressure plate that was installed in all the 89 to 93 cummins/getrag... trucks



I know I have not posted much the past few months... I have been very sick

and confined to bed for 2 months now... . \ I hope to be back up on my feet by Feb. . I have a few trucks and a diesel ramcharger that I was restoring before I got sick. I am hoping to be able to finish them this summer if nothing else goes wrong with me.
 
I wondered why we had not heard from you lately. I was wondering if you had let your susbcription lapse. I hope and pray that you have a quick recovery so you can continue to restore and save old dodge trucks.



AS far as the clutches, I just ordered a new South Bend Con O today. FWIW the Sachs clutch has put up with lots of abuse and is a very good clutch, even at twice the power they were hit with stock. Mine is making noise, and sense I have the getrag out again, I'm putting in a new SBC.



Michael
 
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The original Sachs clutch I still think is the best deal going for the first gen trucks... The fleets used to get 3 to 400,000 miles out of them... Even then most of the failures were throw out bearings locking up then melting the fingers on the pressure plate... Hardly the fault of the clutch. Greasing the throw out would have saved most of them.



A year and a half ago I took the original clutch out of my 93 daily driver to inspect it and replace the throw out bearing and the leaking rear main seal.

It had 223,000 miles on it. . I measured the friction material on the disc and found that it was only . 006 thinner than the new disc I had. . I just put it back in...



Granted I take care of my truck and do not over load it... I also know how to drive a stick. But most of the miles were city miles which are hard on clutches...



There has never been a clutch ever come out of Detroit in a light vehicle that has had as an outstanding service record as the one that was put in the first gen trucks... Not ever !



The 12" that came in the 94 up trucks was redesigned in 94 because it was obvious that the Sachs 13 was made too well and cost us too much...

There was a service bulletin put out on the change... It said that the new smaller lighter clutch was the "new improved model " to stop clutch chatter problems... It also said that it was to be used in place of the 13" in the early trucks for better performance...



It was all a lie ! The purpose of the redesigned 12" was to save cost and weight... The only thing that really improved was Chryslers profit margin...

The newer 12 " cost 1/3 of what the 13" did. . Interestingly enough the list price never came down in the dealers price list...



One last thing I will mention is that ... When the trucks were first being developed we tried all the clutches that we had used in the gas trucks + a whole lot of others... None of them held up well enough during testing to be used in production... It was decided that a whole new clutch needed to be developed if we were going to get the trucks threw warrantee with out failure.

Chrysler and Sachs engineers both worked for 3 years developing the clutch we used. It was over built due to the fact that we did not know what to expect. As you all know the Cummins engine just does not quit... The clutch is the weak link... We just made sure it was not ... By the 93 model we knew that the clutch was too good. . It had less than 2% failure rate in the first 4 years it was used... . Another thing to note is that the 13" first gen clutch

was never used in any other truck , tractor or machine on the planet except

our 89 to 93 diesel trucks... It's been 14 years since it was last used. I suspect that it will soon be discontinued... . Or in Chrysler lingo... . they will be

"NS1" Sadly enough... A term that all the first gen guys are going to be getting well acquainted

with in the future









MMiller said:
I wondered why we had not heard from you lately. I was wondering if you had let your susbcription lapse. I hope and pray that you have a quick recovery so you can continue to restore and save old dodge trucks.



AS far as the clutches, I just ordered a new South Bend Con O today. FWIW the Sachs clutch has put up with lots of abuse and is a very good clutch, even at twice the power they were hit with stock. Mine is making noise, and sense I have the getrag out again, I'm putting in a new SBC.



Michael
 
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"Group buy?" I guess I'm not familiar with that section. Is that the Pay it Forward forum? My two cents: I'm very happy with my new Sachs 13" clutch. Unless I get the HP bug, I'll stick with it. Listen to Mysteryman, fellas, and get one of these if the price is right…
 
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Why do you ask



Because I would have super confidence that they would be the same quality level, same materials, etc as the originals.

They still may be fine.
 
mysteryman said:
"NS1" Sadly enough... A term that all the first gen guys are going to be getting well acquainted
with in the future
Ahh, the joy of owning anything Mopar not currently in production. 2nd gen stuff is quickly going bye bye too.

Add me to the list too, if the price is right. Spare parts are good to have, and I never know what will end up in my driveway in the future.

Marc
 
JLEONARD said:
I would also be interested.

When were they manufacutred? Are they true NOS from the early 90s?

Thanks.

Jay





Mysteryman: I doubt that they are that old. But it is possible. . Why do you ask ?





Jay: Because I would have super confidence that they would be the same quality level, same materials, etc as the originals.



I am confused by mysterman's reply "Why do you ask? " It is mysterman who has been poining out that subsequently produced gretrag shift forks are inferior etc. Certainly, then, he should understand the basis of Jay's question. Mysteryman then wrote a lengthy post describing the original Sachs clutch but, again, did not answer Jay. I, too, wonder how old they are, who made them etc. All we know is they are not NOS, someone wants to sell them, and there are only 200 of them.
 
HFletcher,

Exactly.

I would hope that Sachs does as we do when we make our steering shafts for DC parts and service and that is use the same manufacturing materials, methods, etc. Sometimes the machinery we run it is different, but any parts that are ending prodution we run a large quantity of and store in hopes they will outlast the service requirements... they rarely do. (and in the storage period rust is always an issue to deal with).

When that happens we are forced to start manufacturing again in small quantities... . sometimes by new people who had never seen that particular part before.

However there are times when suppliers go out of business, purchased parts become obsolete, you name it... then there is a scramble. I'm in the middle of a few of those right now as I always am. Not complaining... it's job security ;)

Anyway, suffice it to say that I know the difference and I would jump on a NOS part in a heartbeat.
 
mysteryman said:
I was speaking to one of my contacts today. He informed me that he has 200

of the Sachs 13" clutch kits. . At the price he offered them to me it is going to be tough to turn them down... If I do get them.

Settle down guys. He hasn't even bought them off his contact yet. Seems the key word was ' If ' .
 
I will let everyone know when I have an answer and have seen the parts. .





HFletcher said:
Mysteryman: I doubt that they are that old. But it is possible. . Why do you ask ?





Jay: Because I would have super confidence that they would be the same quality level, same materials, etc as the originals.



I am confused by mysterman's reply "Why do you ask? " It is mysterman who has been poining out that subsequently produced gretrag shift forks are inferior etc. Certainly, then, he should understand the basis of Jay's question. Mysteryman then wrote a lengthy post describing the original Sachs clutch but, again, did not answer Jay. I, too, wonder how old they are, who made them etc. All we know is they are not NOS, someone wants to sell them, and there are only 200 of them.
 
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