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Diesel Don,

I hope you keep posting and despite some of the more heated comments, generally TDR'rs tend not to "eat thier own" quite as much as some of the other forum's membership! I respect your decision and while I disagree with the contention that the Ford is a better overall package, I totally agree that brand loyalty just for the sake of it is a "less than informed" position to take. Heck, I'm even considering buying a new Ford Mustang GT.



Cheers,

Dave
 
Switching BACK to Dodge!

As unbelieveable as it may sound, I've decided NOT to buy a new Ford PSD after all! I'm just not convinced that the new 6. 0 Diesel is reliable. I have much more confidence in the Cummins engine. Now, my only problem is telling the Ford dealer I changed my mind.

Darn, I sure wish I could get that Cummins engine with the 5 spd HD auto. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet on that one.

If any Dodge truck engineers are reading this, please take a close look at all the cool stuff ford is doing with their trucks, i. e. , integ. brake controller, drain plug & spin on filter on auto trans, easy access oil & fuel filter changes on engine, not excessively raking back the wind shield, just to mention a few.
 
Diesel Man said:
I'm just not convinced that the new 6. 0 Diesel is reliable. I have much more confidence in the Cummins engine.



Well after reading that last JD Powers 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study, I'd have to applaud your decision. Ford makes a good truck, but the 6. 0 has been a dismal failure the likes of which there is simply no excuse for in this day and age. I certainly wouldn't buy into the contention that "all the bugs are fixed in '05" mantra without at least a couple of years to clear thier severly damaged reputation.



Cummins = 41% LESS problems than the equivalent gas powered truck



6. 0 PSD = 430% MORE problems than the equivalent gas powered truck



Those numbers are obscene!



Good luck with whatever you end up with.



Dave
 
that makes sense buy the 100K mile truck with the 20K engine... ... ... . uh... no thanks!. my 97 has 140 and my 99 had 130. hmmm seemed to make i past 100K.
 
CATCRACKER said:
that makes sense buy the 100K mile truck with the 20K engine... ... ... . uh... no thanks!. my 97 has 140 and my 99 had 130. hmmm seemed to make i past 100K.

???

not sure what it is you are referring to here. But I'm glad your trucks have made it past 100k
 
i am reffering to when you said "what good is it to have a million mile engine and a 100K truck" while i will admit after 100K you will need to do some up keep but its nothing out of the ordinary for a light duty vehicle.



Maybe: ball joints, uv joints, bearings, hoses, lift pump, transmission (auto which you can get lifetime warranty on rebuilt) but after 100K the truck should be paid for and a couple of hundred here and there is not going to hurt anything. Being a member of this board will save thousands if you dont mind turning wrenches. But if not you will still know from this board not to go to a dealer. That info by itself is worth thousands.

Ford builds a great truck period but their new diesel is a piece. I am not bashing Ford i wish there diesel was awsome and the reason why i hope they get it right is so diesels will not get a black eye. I know a contractor who after owning a 6L for 6 months said " i will never buy another diesel again" that is the kind of stuff that hurts all diesel enthusiasts. I hope Ford gets the 6L right and soon... . maybe they already have... . ? but as long as i keep seing the "chrome badge of death" making people sit on the side of the road i will bash the 6L... ... of course to be fair i have seen some 24v sit on the side also (lift pump) :) enjoy your new dodge. one thing to be warned about the 3rd gen is the vibration in the pedal and steering wheel of course if you drive 80mph you will not feel it b/c it goes away
 
Good choice! But, as for you thinking the Torqslip, I mean Torqshift is the best auto, probably is the best one, but it's starting to have problems now too, just read the Diesel Stop forums. Trannies quitting at 800 or even 500 miles. That's pathetic.



Nick
 
I said it earlier in this thread and I'll say it again. The guys that I Hotshot with are not having a lot of problems with their 6. 0 L trucks. My 2002 Dodge now has 95,000 and it's running great. I am very happy that I went with the Cummins Dodge. I have the feeling that the weakest link on my truck is going to be the 5 speed transmission. I have to be very gentle when excelerating with a load or the transmission makes some weird noises. Gentle is not a problem for me though. I think I would have been much happier with the 6 speed because I have problems in the 30 mile per hour range when loaded with the 5 speed. (to much gear for 3rd and not enough for 4th) My flatbed trailer weighs a little over 8000 lbs so loaded I could have up to 23000 lbs or so total. So far the truck is doing fine except for some unusual front end tire wear. I'm not sure what's happening there. I have a feeling it may have to do with my pulling the trailer most of the time and not doing the front end alignment with the trailer connected. The lights on my 2002 or not good either. I can see a lot of shadows out in front of me while I'm driving. Maybe someone can suggest something here. I do not have the factory fog lights.
 
Diesel Man said:
please take a close look at all the cool stuff ford is doing with their trucks, i. e. , integ. brake controller, drain plug & spin on filter on auto trans, easy access oil & fuel filter changes on engine, not excessively raking back the wind shield, just to mention a few.



No flame intended but here's the "fine print", relative to some of the features you mention, and some additional, lesser known "features" of the ford:



TorqShift - yep it has a filter and a drain plug. Shifts pretty well. Uses Mercon SP fluid though - not a typo, Mercon SP. NOT available except thru the dealer @ $6/quart. Total capacity is 17 quarts. Pan holds 9. Whaddyamean there's no drain plug on the TC. :(



Fuel filter - besides the well-known and very accessible secondary filter on top of the engine I would point out the lesser known primary filter, which is part of the Heated Fuel Conditioning Module mounted horizontally on the frame rail under the driver's seat. Before attempting to change this filter, I recommend you stand outside the truck and fully extend one arm over your head, fingers pointing to the sky. Then use your free arm or a grab a buddy and pour 24 oz of diesel fuel into the fingers and palm of your raised hand, allowing it to run down your arm and into your armpit. Drip a bit of diesel into your hair also. Being already soaked in diesel dispels any frustration your might otherwise feel from when you are unavoidably soaked in diesel during the filter change. Also, please note it is IMPERATIVE that you wrangle the new HFCM filter element into place still in it's protective plastic wrap, and then very cautiously peel away the plastic as the filter element is inserted into the housing. It is likely that you will foul the new filter element with grime from the undercarriage nonetheless.



Gauges - The 6. 0/TS package comes factory-equipped with a trans temp guage, which is of course very appropriate for an auto-trans equipped vehcile designed to tow. Typically on about the 2nd day of ownership one notices that none of the factory gauges are labeled with numeric values (C/H or L/H and a "normal" range are the only markings). A few astute owners of the 6. 0 undertook some research to equate gauge positions with trans temp & a similar exercise with oil pressure relative to gauge position. Turns out that the gauges are essentially idiot lights. As an example, the oil pressure gauge reads either "normal" indicating that the pressure switch sees more than 7PSI of oil pressure, or "L" if not.



Maneuverability - Rather than go on and on, I will provide one example which represents everything there is to know about this aspect of owning a PSD Crew Cab. In one instance an 8-point turn was required to get my truck out of a standard parking space. Park Distance Control, eh? :rolleyes:



Idle Romp - I truly do not see why TDS.com has not spawned a sister site completely dedicated to this issue. There is nothing quite like jumping into your new $40K truck with your boss and a couple of business associates to go to lunch, where upon starting the engine it pumps out a plume of blue exhaust smoke that causes passing airliners to divert. This goes on for the next 20-30 seconds, truck bucking and shaking, while the FI computer and the injectors get acquainted. FMCs solution? - disable pilot injection ;)



So Diesel Man, I personally feel that even though you may be giving up a few bells and whistles :D you are much more likely to be satisfied with the Cummins-powered Ram.



Cheers,

Mike
 
You missed some of the wording used on the Ford sites. Oil leaking/romping/belching/farting/stalling/hood denting/intercooler blowing/stalling/staining/coolant blowing/byback/bpt/vgt/egr. I keep wondering when there gonna have a contest/awards given for WHO has had the most trucks(single owner)bought back or who's had the most FLASHES done as a few new ones seem to pop up weekly. Really in this MODERN era we live in I think its a shame anyone gots to put up with those issues on anything. 90% of Ford trucks are STILL on the road. The other 5% have already been towed in.
 
I would like to reiterate what I said earlier: I sincerely wish you best of luck with whatever you purchase, Diesel Man.



For others who might be interested, check out this great webshots gallery. Really make you :eek:



-Ryan
 
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nothing wrong with you 5 speed it will last alot long than you might think. when you fix 5th gear jsut fix it right with the fully splined stuff. I am sure you got a spare lift pump with you and all the tools and info to replace right??? Also i am sure you have a fuel P guage right??? if not go ahead and get you a kit together b/c you will probably need it. But besides that you have a 500-600K truck UV joints ball joints track bar and you are good fella. that truck will make you a nice living. :)
 
Yea, I have replaced the u-joints once at about 70k I think. I lug the H@@l out of this thing in 5th and have never had a problem yet. They must have done something to them to help sove that problem. (or I've been really lucky) I don't have any guages at all. I probably should have a fuel pressure guage but I'm cheap. The noise that the transmission makes is kind of like the sound of two gears vibrating or rattling. It only makes that sound in 3rd and 4th gear and only then when I try to feed it to much torque. It won't make that sound at all without the VanAakin but I can't pull anything without the chip and my mileage suffers so I just leave it in the circuit. Great Truck for sure. I wish the lighting was better though.
 
Diesel Man said:
As unbelieveable as it may sound, I've decided NOT to buy a new Ford PSD after all! I'm just not convinced that the new 6. 0 Diesel is reliable. I have much more confidence in the Cummins engine. Now, my only problem is telling the Ford dealer I changed my mind.

Darn, I sure wish I could get that Cummins engine with the 5 spd HD auto. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet on that one.

If any Dodge truck engineers are reading this, please take a close look at all the cool stuff ford is doing with their trucks, i. e. , integ. brake controller, drain plug & spin on filter on auto trans, easy access oil & fuel filter changes on engine, not excessively raking back the wind shield, just to mention a few.



Well done Sir Oo.



I was skeptical to spend soooo much on my new Dodge, rather than keeping my old. I can tell you though I Really like this new truck. I drive a PSD company truck and there is absolutley no difference. It is truly a joy to drive my truck on the weekends.



BTW another Superintendents PSD left him high and dry on the side of the road last week. I think the owner is getting close to going Dodge or GMC--Either would be better.
 
Our chemical guy that does our (I am a facility maintenance manager) boiler treatment at work drives a company 01 PSD. He is thinking about going out on his own a little but won't be able to drive the boss's personal truck, so he is thinking about going to get a 2nd or 3rd gen too :) I keep talking him into it!



Nick
 
DPelletier said:
Well after reading that last JD Powers 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study, I'd have to applaud your decision. Ford makes a good truck, but the 6. 0 has been a dismal failure the likes of which there is simply no excuse for in this day and age. I certainly wouldn't buy into the contention that "all the bugs are fixed in '05" mantra without at least a couple of years to clear thier severly damaged reputation.



Cummins = 41% LESS problems than the equivalent gas powered truck



6. 0 PSD = 430% MORE problems than the equivalent gas powered truck



Those numbers are obscene!



Good luck with whatever you end up with.



Dave

It was not for the 6. 0. It was for the much more reliable 7. 3. If the 7. 3 was more reliable than the 6. 0 and it had 430% more problems. You are not gonna want to read the long term survey on the 6. 0. Ford is gonna have to buy the survey so that they cannot print it. We are talking over 1500% or so.



The problem is. They compared it to the gassers without giving you the numbers. So if the gasser sucks then the diesel will look better. If the gasser is flawless then the diesel will look worse. The part that shows the 7. 3 was definitely worse was the cost of ownership was higher than that of a gasoline powered vehicle. Something wrong with that. Musta been all the 100 dollar bills they dropped off at the dealer for Warranty work.
 
Big_Daddy_T said:
It was not for the 6. 0. It was for the much more reliable 7. 3. If the 7. 3 was more reliable than the 6. 0 and it had 430% more problems. You are not gonna want to read the long term survey on the 6. 0. Ford is gonna have to buy the survey so that they cannot print it. We are talking over 1500% or so.



The problem is. They compared it to the gassers without giving you the numbers. So if the gasser sucks then the diesel will look better. If the gasser is flawless then the diesel will look worse. The part that shows the 7. 3 was definitely worse was the cost of ownership was higher than that of a gasoline powered vehicle. Something wrong with that. Musta been all the 100 dollar bills they dropped off at the dealer for Warranty work.



I dunno, the bottom of the survey says " J. D. Power and Associates 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study", so I am assuming that it is the 6. 0 PSD. You are right about the usefullness of the Survey from the perspective that one could argue that the Dodge 5. 9ISB may be better than the Hemi gas engine and the Ford may be worse than the Ford 5. 4l gas engine but maybe the Ford gas engine is 10 x better than the Dodge gas motor. I don't believe that for a moment because it would be common knowledge that the Hemi was crap if that was the case, but nonetheless we can't point to the survey and say " The Cummins is 1500 percent better than the 6. 0 PSD" for exactly that reason.



I remain shocked at just how bad the survey indicates the 6. 0 PSD really is. We all knew it had lots of issues, but holy cow!



I have a copy of another JD Powers Vehicle Dependability Study of 2001 model cars and trucks which indicates that Ford diesels (7. 3PSD) have 65. 9 engine problems reported per 100 vehicles compared to the Dodge at 28. 5 reported problems and the Chevy at 67. 7. This would make sense to me as the 7. 3 PSD has a much better reputation than the 6. 0 PSD, though it still falls way short of a Cummins.



Cheers,



Dave
 
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