Synthetic oil reason?

[amsoilman]

Synthetics are better for extreme protection. Now the question is do you need extreme protection??? I don't, you might.

Had a good friend that was driving in heavy traffic on a hot day and happened to loose a fan belt. (broke) He could not get out of the traffic very fast at all due to the fact he was in the middle of the freeway and nearly stopped. The engine got so hot it was burning residue on the top of the block! When he finally was able to get the car off the road, and then to a repair shop, he discovered the engine was not damaged at all. He was using a very high quality synthetic engine oil, and the mechanic stated, "had it not been for the type of oil you were using, your engine would most likely had heavy damage done!"



There are many more benefits than just cold and hot temperatures by the use of good synthetics! Longer drains is just one!



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by amsoilman

Had a good friend that was driving in heavy traffic on a hot day and happened to loose a fan belt. (broke) He could not get out of the traffic very fast at all due to the fact he was in the middle of the freeway and nearly stopped. The engine got so hot it was burning residue on the top of the block! When he finally was able to get the car off the road, and then to a repair shop, he discovered the engine was not damaged at all. He was using a very high quality synthetic engine oil, and the mechanic stated, "had it not been for the type of oil you were using, your engine would most likely had heavy damage done!"



There are many more benefits than just cold and hot temperatures by the use of good synthetics! Longer drains is just one!



Wayne

amsoilman

I know a guy that got hit head on by a dump truck. Didn't matter what kind of oil he was running. In your example say I had 80K miles on my truck and this happened, I would be covered for a new motor under the 5 year 100K mile warranty, as long as I had records that I was following DC maintenance requirement. If I was running extended drain intervals with synthetic I could be buying a new engine on my own. I will use synthetic when my truck goes out of warranty, I use Amsoil 5w30 synthetic in my wifes Landcruiser. At 6,000 miles I change the filter and at 12,000 I change the oil and filter, figure that is conservative with a 20,000 mile oil. The LC has 130,000 miles on it and runs like new.

 

[fj40charles]

Originally posted by amsoilman

Had a good friend that was driving in heavy traffic on a hot day and happened to loose a fan belt. (broke) He could not get out of the traffic very fast at all due to the fact he was in the middle of the freeway and nearly stopped. The engine got so hot it was burning residue on the top of the block! When he finally was able to get the car off the road, and then to a repair shop, he discovered the engine was not damaged at all. He was using a very high quality synthetic engine oil, and the mechanic stated, "had it not been for the type of oil you were using, your engine would most likely had heavy damage done!"



There are many more benefits than just cold and hot temperatures by the use of good synthetics! Longer drains is just one!



Wayne

amsoilman

One of the benefits of not going long between oil change intervals is the ability to see under the hood to see any items need to be attended to. Had he/she been using 3-5,000 mile oil change intervals, he/she might have noticed the fan belt.



I replace my fan belt with a Gates belt. Lifetime warranty. I changed out my belt after 30K miles and plan on gettting my belt warrantied again. . Gotta like lifetime warranty.



I'll still stick to regular dino oil for my truck. For the record, I've never had a fan belt break or fail on me ever. Of course, I don't wait until the belt has too many cracks before I replace it.



Charles



Charles

 

[GMocanu]

Originally posted by fj40charles

One of the benefits of not going long between oil change intervals is the ability to see under the hood to see any items need to be attended to. Had he/she been using 3-5,000 mile oil change intervals, he/she might have noticed the fan belt.

Now no one said that anyone taking advantage of extended drains should neglect the rest of the engine. Of coarse if you are doing the extended drain properly you will still be under the hood at regular intervals. I will change my filter on a regular basis and my by-pass every other filter change. I'll also be taking samples. So my head will still be under the hood just as often as when I was using dino and changing it every 5K or so.

 

[klenger]

slo-ryde:



I paid $54. 58 for 3 gallons of Amsoil 15W40 delivered last time I bought it.



BTW, I didn't say it was cheaper than dino oil by going 7500 miles vs 3000 miles, only that I got my value out of it. If I consider the labor saved, I think it's a break-even.

 

[slo-ryde]

Originally posted by klenger

slo-ryde:



I paid $54. 58 for 3 gallons of Amsoil 15W40 delivered last time I bought it.



BTW, I didn't say it was cheaper than dino oil by going 7500 miles vs 3000 miles, only that I got my value out of it. If I consider the labor saved, I think it's a break-even.

That's roughly $18 per gallon. Maybe once I know the motor is completely broken in I might experiment with the synthetics. I would like to see some data on just how much better it is over regular dino oil. I still think using a good quality oil and changing it often will keep the motor going a very long time.

 

[klenger]

slo-ryde



I agree with your plan. I am not an Amsoil zellot. I may switch back to dino if I don't feel the Amsoil is worth the extra expense. I pretty much ride the fence on this issue in the CTD, but in a gasser, it's a no-brainer. I think I am seeing an improvement in fuel milage since my last change to Amsoil. From about 18 to 19 MPG or maybe a bit more. Hard to tell if it's from the oil or just different driving habits.

 

[WadePatton]

Another oil thread, yummy!



So I DID IT. Today I ordered four gallons of Amsoil for the truck, two quarts for the mower and a bottle of 2-stroke for the saw. Never run Amsoil before, but the naysayers talked me into it.



I figger that 85,000 miles on dino should have the clearances polished out just right. And that a good synthetic and bypass filtration should maintain that level of wear indefinitely.



Forgot to mention that I overheated the old 302 to the point of losing power TWICE while I owned it. Nary a problem. I ran synthetic in it most of the time and sold it with 330,000 miles on it still pulling strong (for a puny v8) and passing emissions tests. Saw it on the road jest the other day.



One of the simplest reasons for using synthetic in a turbocharged engine is the fact that synthetics are less likely to coke up from the heat sink at the turbo bearings after shutdown.

 

[fj40charles]

Originally posted by WadePatton

Another oil thread, yummy!



One of the simplest reasons for using synthetic in a turbocharged engine is the fact that synthetics are less likely to coke up from the heat sink at the turbo bearings after shutdown.

I don't see this being an issue if you have a pryometer and you wait until the EGT reaches 300* (pre turbo) before shutdown.

 

[WadePatton]

I hope it's not as that is what I do. The problem is exactly that, PRE turbo. So you're still guesstimating the turbo temp.



If mine has been run at all, I get it to 300 and give it a couple more minutes before shutdown. I shut off the A/C 2 or 3 miles away from home. If it is particularly warm, I'll restart it in a few minutes to circulate the oil some more, because it still has DINO in it and it is more likely to fry.



Someday I'll put a pyro downstream, and a transmission temp gauge, diff temp, oil press, water temp, IA temp, barometer, altimeter, compass... .

 

[RowJ]

Had two thoughts while reading all the above threads!

1-When it comes to prevetative maintenance (engine oil changes) there are lots of ways to be sucessful! Use an oil you are comfortable with and change it fairly often.

2-CTD owners are much more careful about protecting their engines than the average man on the street!

Note to Amsoilman-

You mention above that synthetic oil has "better lubricity". If you mean it is more slippery and reduces drag, I would like to see hard evidence for that statment. I have been hearing that idea for years and believe it is one of the misconceptions about synthetics. Major trucking companies have done 100,000 mile tests and found no increase in mileage (measurement for reduced drag). I'm a firm believer in synthetics but question better lubricity as a selling point.

 

[Pit Bull]

"Turbo Coking", I read all of the posts on the TDR and I even posted one asking if anyone had a failed turbo from turbo coking and I've never found one yet. Were talking with or without a pyro. I guess we must be a bunch of careful owners or this is not a problem, cause it is never mentioned as a failure. I agree that this is one area that synthetics would provide a big advantage. I wonder why we don't see threads from owners who have failed turbo's caused by coking???

 

[Rman]

i can vouch for amsoil 2 stroke. I use amsoil in just about everything, and do so because of brand loyalty for the most part. I am loyal because of what my eyes have seen. I've had the same stihl string trimmer for years... i've rebuilt it twice. After the first rebuild is was pretty hammered and took me a while to hone the bore for the new cylinder. Overall it was abused. I then switched to amsoil 2 stroke oil. Well a few more years passed and i figured the ole bugger had one more build left in it.



This time the inside of that little 'engine that could', looked brand new, nothing AT ALL like it had the first time. The only thing i did different was use amsoil 2 stroke in the gas. All my buddies use it on their snowmobile 2 stroke engines. One local shop won't warranty the engine work they perform unless you use it, that is how brand loyal they are.



I'm sure everyone here is going to rebuild their cummins 3 times and put 3 million miles and using synthetics is the only option for them (sorry for the sarcasm). but don't go slamming someone for using synthetics... they are superior, i've seen it with my own eyes, engines builders across the nation have seen it with their own eyes.



Now whether or not it is NEEDED is a whole other notion. I doubt many truly need synthetic oil, it is more piece of mind for me and I support smaller companies that will take the profits they make from the oil to further research and develop even better oil. That is why amsoil is expensive, they do research and development... constantly and have for YEARS.



I don't line the pockets of huge oil companies' CEO's and i'm proud. (OK i do by diesel and gas, my hands are tied there) In fact i'm so proud that i'd be willing to pay double what i pay for amsoil just to prove a point. I do this in many other ways as well. I don't shop at walmart and albertsons, i pay more at smaller places intentionally because i have personal issues that i feel morally obligated to uphold. I've got the extra money, don't have to pinch pennies... most of all i'm not a cheap skate. I live comfortbaly and if i can help another guy keep a float the family business then i'm going to do it. (not that i think amsoil is a family biz, or that they need any help, they taken enough of my money over the years)



Bottom line is people are going to do what they need to do, but to blindly claim that using synthetic oil is a silly notion, then i urge you to reconsider the claim.

 

[WadePatton]

Yay rah! another anti-walmart guy! Oo.



Now there's six of us.

 

[illflem]

Originally posted by Pit Bull

I wonder why we don't see threads from owners who have failed turbo's caused by coking???

That's because the coked oil doesn't damage the turbo, it damages your oil. The coked oil, which is very hard, returns to the oil pan on the next startup then goes on to cause wear on the oil pump before getting caught in the filter.

Just was reading on the Cummins website that turbo cool down for 30 seconds is adequate unless you've just done a long tow, then they recommend three to five minutes.

 

[Hohn]

Originally posted by RowJ



You mention above that synthetic oil has "better lubricity". If you mean it is more slippery and reduces drag, I would like to see hard evidence for that statment. I have been hearing that idea for years and believe it is one of the misconceptions about synthetics. Major trucking companies have done 100,000 mile tests and found no increase in mileage (measurement for reduced drag). I'm a firm believer in synthetics but question better lubricity as a selling point.

The better lubricity shows up as reduced engine wear, not necessarily better mileage. Think it through: the total load on an engine has a number of components-- the internal friction being just one. In a light car, the internal friction is a larger portion of the total load on the engine. In a heavy truck, the engine's internal friction is a TINY faction of the total load on the engine, when compared with the rolling resistance of 18 wheels with 80,000 pounds on them-- especially uphill!!



OF COURSE you don't see higher mileage in OTR trucks with synthetic. But you will ALWAYS see reduced wear and cleaner internals...



HOHN

 

[Rman]

Hohn brought up a good point on lubricity. The internal friction is what this fights. Friction causes heat and heat causes damage. The MPG may or may not be affected, but that is not what is truly gained as much as added protection of the thermal stability of synthetic oils and friction reducing additive packages also in "dino" oil.

 

[Rman]

Originally posted by WadePatton

Yay rah! another anti-walmart guy! Oo.



Now there's six of us.

wow... i'm in big company then! One dollar at a time, we'll win eventually (yeah right!)

 

[adsharpe]

Originally posted by grincon

Just was told by someone who drives the big rigs on the oil fields that they have sludge buildup problems in their diesel engines-detroit diesel and Cummins.

Oil field rigs tend to be idled for extended periods and get little highway mileage. Idling destroys oil and consequently engines.



My personal thing is I run synthetic, change it every 22 miles and change the filter every 11 miles. That way, I am really confidant about my oil. Not the engine, just the oil. After all, Dodge had the engine in their possession for some time and no telling what they did to it.



What kind of synthetic? I can't tell yet cause my distributorship isn't set up yet. That's why I joined TDR so I could sell oil.

 

[berg]

Originally posted by rhickman

i can vouch for amsoil 2 stroke. I use amsoil in just about everything, and do so because of brand loyalty for the most part. I am loyal because of what my eyes have seen. I've had the same stihl string trimmer for years... i've rebuilt it twice. After the first rebuild is was pretty hammered and took me a while to hone the bore for the new cylinder. Overall it was abused. I then switched to amsoil 2 stroke oil. Well a few more years passed and i figured the ole bugger had one more build left in it.



This time the inside of that little 'engine that could', looked brand new, nothing AT ALL like it had the first time. The only thing i did different was use amsoil 2 stroke in the gas. All my buddies use it on their snowmobile 2 stroke engines. One local shop won't warranty the engine work they perform unless you use it, that is how brand loyal they are.



I'm sure everyone here is going to rebuild their cummins 3 times and put 3 million miles and using synthetics is the only option for them (sorry for the sarcasm). but don't go slamming someone for using synthetics... they are superior, i've seen it with my own eyes, engines builders across the nation have seen it with their own eyes.



Now whether or not it is NEEDED is a whole other notion. I doubt many truly need synthetic oil, it is more piece of mind for me and I support smaller companies that will take the profits they make from the oil to further research and develop even better oil. That is why amsoil is expensive, they do research and development... constantly and have for YEARS.



I don't line the pockets of huge oil companies' CEO's and i'm proud. (OK i do by diesel and gas, my hands are tied there) In fact i'm so proud that i'd be willing to pay double what i pay for amsoil just to prove a point. I do this in many other ways as well. I don't shop at walmart and albertsons, i pay more at smaller places intentionally because i have personal issues that i feel morally obligated to uphold. I've got the extra money, don't have to pinch pennies... most of all i'm not a cheap skate. I live comfortbaly and if i can help another guy keep a float the family business then i'm going to do it. (not that i think amsoil is a family biz, or that they need any help, they taken enough of my money over the years)



Bottom line is people are going to do what they need to do, but to blindly claim that using synthetic oil is a silly notion, then i urge you to reconsider the claim.

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i really don't see how shopping at walmart the largest employer in the usa isn't helping the little guy. all walmart employees have to make a livin also, i might be a cheap s-- but i don't like being riped by mom & pop either!! but am glad you spend your extra money on mom & pop! i have a little extra money because i shop wally world!!!