Test beat a new 3500 C&C 6.7.

[Coalsmoke]

too bad this motor is plagued with electronics and emissions devices. They had to make the engine bigger to keep the HP up since the thing is plagued with emissions. thank the government, but this new engine is a throw away.

in your opinion maybe.

 

[gsbrockman]

this new engine is a throw away.

He's baaaaack ! :-laf



Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... ... ... ... . I'd never expected anything but positive praises from you regarding the new 6. 7L, especially in the New 6. 7L Forum ! :-laf :-laf



Greg

 

[klenger]

He's back, but still blocked.

 

[KBennett]

too bad this motor is plagued with electronics and emissions devices. They had to make the engine bigger to keep the HP up since the thing is plagued with emissions. thank the government, but this new engine is a throw away.

You would have a valid point if you knew anything about electronics

 

[Coalsmoke]

I know enough about electronics. When it looks like a rats nest, there is too much...



Anyways, you all bash me but wonderfully forgot to make mention of the larger engine but same HP rating. Well, too many emission devices, large engine needed to keep power ratings. Oh larger engine = more wasted fuel... . So higher op. costs and more oil drilling. Those emissions devices sure make a lot of sense eh?



Those 05 engines are looking better and better. The Aisin trans def. is a plus. Dodge makes a worthless trans, Aisin make very nice ones

Based only on the last two posts I have read from you, and IMHO, you might want to do a bit of research before assuming you have figured out all there is to know about modern emissions systems.

 

[Timbeaux38]

Dodge makes a worthless trans, Aisin make very nice ones

Wow. Great post. You sucsesfully proved that you must have a problem with Japanese folks, or you dont have the commom courtesy to NOT use a racist term when referring to them. Great to know that bigotry is alive an well in the all-new 6. 7 forum!

 

[KBennett]

I know enough about electronics. When it looks like a rats nest, there is too much...



Anyways, you all bash me but wonderfully forgot to make mention of the larger engine but same HP rating. Well, too many emission devices, large engine needed to keep power ratings. Oh larger engine = more wasted fuel... . So higher op. costs and more oil drilling. Those emissions devices sure make a lot of sense eh?

Hmmm..... that must mean that the 200ish HP motor in your truck is less efficient than the 305HP motor in my truck???

 

[rubberneck]

I know enough about electronics. When it looks like a rats nest, there is too much...



Anyways, you all bash me but wonderfully forgot to make mention of the larger engine but same HP rating. Well, too many emission devices, large engine needed to keep power ratings. Oh larger engine = more wasted fuel... . So higher op. costs and more oil drilling. Those emissions devices sure make a lot of sense eh?



Those 05 engines are looking better and better. The Aisin trans def. is a plus. Dodge makes a worthless trans, Aisin make very nice ones

This cracks me up. Sounds just like the stuck in the past hot rod guys who still think carbeurators are king. Ya baby give me that holly double pumper over multi point EFI I mean come on if fuel injection made more power nascar would use it right

 

[Joe Mc]

Very entertaining stuff guys. I was very disapointed with the 4 door chassis rig I wittnessed turn a best of 3 pulls @ 245 hp & like 475 tq @ Fall Brawl last weekend, and don't even suggest the guys that run the dyno at Kauffman Motor Sports don't know what they're doing like someone did on another Cummins site. Those guys were very professional and ran some trucks that made well in excess of 700 h & 1200 t. I was just shocked that the advertised ratings were "only" 305 h & I think 600 t @ the flywheel. Let's hope Marco and the other electronic Gurus can come up with something that'll fool the computers on these over gizmoed things that DC is forced by Uncle Sam to bestow upon us commoners.

Rant complete - Focker out!

 

[WDimig]

Very entertaining stuff guys. I was very disapointed with the 4 door chassis rig I wittnessed turn a best of 3 pulls @ 245 hp & like 475 tq @ Fall Brawl last weekend, and don't even suggest the guys that run the dyno at Kauffman Motor Sports don't know what they're doing like someone did on another Cummins site. Those guys were very professional and ran some trucks that made well in excess of 700 h & 1200 t. I was just shocked that the advertised ratings were "only" 305 h & I think 600 t @ the flywheel. Let's hope Marco and the other electronic Gurus can come up with something that'll fool the computers on these over gizmoed things that DC is forced by Uncle Sam to bestow upon us commoners.



Rant complete - Focker out!

even though the powr i soo low, i wouldnt be suprised if the truck didnt get loaded right due to there being noo weight back there, i know a puckup bed doesent add a whole lot of weight, but every little bi helps, did they say if the tires were spinning on the dyno?? i wasnt thee sunday when they ran.



wes

 

[Joe Mc]

I stood in the bay and watched all 3 runs. It was strapped down extra tight due to no weight - No, no wheel spin.

 

[Jeff Knight]

it wouldn't surprise me if the Dmass flywheel was eating some of the horsepower. They say about 20% with the drivetrain. Those numbers would be close. 305hp-20%=244hp 610tq-20%=488tq. Jeff

 

[CLamb]

Also no break in period at all.

 

[Andersonville]

The cab/chassis I drove had the old style non boxed frame and the 6. 7 under the hood with all the EGR,watercooled turbo,etc. It had a 6 spd,no jake and was rated 350 hp and 650 torque. I think it was 122" wheelbase dually. 54 gal gas tank. Work truck with rubber floor. I liked it BUT the dealer(where I bought my truck) typically only airs the tires to 40psi so it rides softer. It seemed quieter than my 06 dually. Same type interior and same cheap seats.

 

[Joe Mc]

Whaaaaaaaaaaa - I want de Ba, Ba - Whaaaaaaa1

Also no break in period at all.

:-laf - like the title? No? I do :-laf

Aren't they ran before they're installed?? Anyway it had a few thousand miles on it - Not really "borken in" till they have at least 80k on them

Any other tries to justify the low numbers - yep I'm being a wise arse because I'm shocked and disapointed too - but the numbers be what the numbers are - Thanks OK like I said in an earlier reply - the aftermarket guys will (if they don't already) have it figured out soon:-laf Then we'll see the real deal - not some stock over choked electronics/plumbers nightmare of lines and other B/S under the chassis and hood.

 

[Jeff Knight]

The cab/chassis are rated at 305/610. The only truck with the 350/650 will be the pickup's with the 6sp auto. The 6sp manual will be 325/610.

 

[Joe Mc]

The cab/chassis are rated at 305/610. The only truck with the 350/650 will be the pickup's with the 6sp auto. The 6sp manual will be 325/610.

Go figure - the older one's with the std trans had higher numbers than the autos?????

 

[CLamb]

:-laf - like the title? No? I do :-laf



Aren't they ran before they're installed?? Anyway it had a few thousand miles on it - Not really "borken in" till they have at least 80k on them



Any other tries to justify the low numbers - yep I'm being a wise arse because I'm shocked and disapointed too - but the numbers be what the numbers are - Thanks OK like I said in an earlier reply - the aftermarket guys will (if they don't already) have it figured out soon:-laf Then we'll see the real deal - not some stock over choked electronics/plumbers nightmare of lines and other B/S under the chassis and hood.

I actually don't give a rats (umm rear section) I just threw that out there because I know it makes a difference.

 

[Joe Mc]

Hey CLamb - s'all good - I could care less either - I'm happy w/my 99 as you probably are w/your 00. I was just very shocked and disappointed that the "Big, Bold, Bright, Beautiful, Brand New" 6. 7 was such a turkey. If I was rude I apologize, I am sorry . . . . "I'm not sorry I liked it, Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa" -Pee Wee Herman from Up In Smoke (I think?)



Honestly - I was expecting more from the 6. 7 and agree w/most of the others that they had to increase displacement to compensate for emission gizmos.

 

[CUMMINZ]

After a year I'll bet DC will up the horses from 350 to compete with Ferd and GM. By that time it might have 5500 sticker on it & I'll be ready for one. :-laf