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I checked it out and its seems to be pretty good. Like you said, looks familiar. Dont care much for all the color, but did find some interesting stuff on trailers etc.

If you're on a tight budget, every penny can count.

TDR is well worth the cost. :cool:
 
I've been a member of TDR since 1996 and enjoyed every minute of it. I look forward to the magazine and wish it could be printed even once every two months at some future date. I agree that it is a bargain at $35 a year. I also don't mind visiting some "free" website to learn something and wish them the best of luck with their venture. Who knows, even the most seasoned diesel nut might learn something new from a visit to some other site. Our base here is second to none and obviously have some extremely knowledgable people to help us with our questions. I think we can have our cake and eat it too!

Steve H
 
Originally posted by Murle

Some people would gripe if they were hung with a new free rope. :D



*I* would complain. I rather like the way I'm hung now.



...



Oh. You meant 'hanged'. Never mind.



:p :D



Fest3er
 
fest3er -



illflemm commented on useless information. I think we get some of that here too. Such as: "I rather like the way I'm hung now. " Now if that ain't useless information... :D



Doc
 
Originally posted by Doc Tinker

fest3er -



illflemm commented on useless information. I think we get some of that here too. Such as: "I rather like the way I'm hung now. " Now if that ain't useless information... :D



Doc



Doc... see my post on how to impress your boss... :D :D :D
 
Well, I just renewed my membership and was a bit surprised to find this thread. I'll try and word this correctly because I do not want to create a conflict of intrest here as I have been a TDR member for about two years, I think. Somewhere around there. I did let my membership expire for a while, but I also find the TDR a great resource for information so I renewed. I love the magazine. As a matter of fact, I have links to this site and refer people here all the time.



This is the only thread you will ever see here about my site because I will never start one due to a conflict of intrest. I do want to address some issues I see here so I will post a response to this thread only. If admin feels it inappropriate, then I apologize in advance, and ask that you remove my post.



1. I never said that I didn't like Robin or Robert. I don't even know them. I do know Rob Spading but from what I understand he is long gone. Lest ye forget that I have been around since the dieselram.com days.



2. There are a lot of people out there who like to have a free site to go to. I provided a space for that. Do I expect to keep members forever? Probably not. Do expect to get rich or even make money? No. For those that question that statement, you're just going to have to take my word for it. I have a wife and three kids, and a job in which I spend much time. There is no way I can make it big on this. That was never my intention anyway.



I also know that I don't have the resources that the TDR does. I mean come on, they've got Dodge dealers all over the world promoting their site. It would take one hell of an effort to get that big and I have neither the time, or the motivation to take it that far.



Fees do not keep the abusives away. I hate to tell ya, but it's the truth. I have been around FD.com, TDR and dieselram long enough to know that. I was a member of fd.com back in the abol days which was 1997 or 98. That was 4 years ago. A century when you're talking about the Internet. No matter if you're pay or not, it doesn't keep out all of the bottom feeders so to speak.



As for not liking the style of the site, that's fine. You don't have to go there. I'm not trying to be a jerk here as I think you guys are a good group and for the most part, nice people, but you can never please everyone all the time. I say to those who criticize something such as this, give it a try sometime. Most of you will probably give up after a day or so because of frustration. It's not easy. A lot of code hacking, writing, modifying, design, time, time and time. Not only that but you get tired, you're up late at night and you're up early in the morning. I'm just now getting to the point where I don't have to babysit everything and can take some time to relax.



I spent more time on my family website then many people do with their own kids. The whole family worked on it together. Why? Because it's something I love to do. If you don't believe me go to http://www.jackandsarah.org and take a look. (there is no link to the dd.org site on that page). I'm also blessed that I get to spend a lot of time with the kids and wife. Now that I have started this project, I don't get as much time. There are sacrifices that have been made so again I say, before you knock it, try it yourself.



The format for the TDR was a copy of Ford-diesel.com. You can thank Ford-diesel.com for the familiar look. Jason set that standard.



In closing, I'm not trying to piss anyone off or even promote my site. I can do that in other ways and I don't need to bottom feed. I'll do it the right way because I am interested in keeping a good relationship with the TDR as it's one of the best automotive resources available. I have made many friends from the TDR in the past and see a few of them quite regularly.



I will continue to refer my members here as I have done since I started it. I say good things about the TDR even though I'm not particularly happy about the loss of so much info or the fact that you can't search without paying. From what I understand it's coming on CD. I will be one of the first ones to order it.



I said my peace. My only beef is all this criticizing without realizing what's involved. Thanks for the ear. Now back to the other threads!



Jack
 
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tdr and $35!

frankly to complain about the dollars necessary to have access to both the printed info plus this mode is somewhat foolish. honestly, the only other info i feel that is just as good is that furnished by abate of florida for us bikers. especially those who like freedom of choice for helmets. since i am the vp of the second largest chapter in the state i have a vested interest in putting out accurate info. :)
 
Originally posted by jthorpe

1. I never said that I didn't like Robin or Robert. I don't even know them. I do know Rob Spading but from what I understand he is long gone. Lest ye forget that I have been around since the dieselram.com days.



I am guessing this is directed at me? Looks like you misunderstood what I had said. I didn't mean you didn't like Robert or Robin, what I was refering to was email them why you don't like the new forum systems. Not them personally. Sorry for the confusion, I just rearead my post and can see where one would think that. My comment was in reference to the forums here, since you said not happy with the upgrade.



Sorry
 
Format....

Originally posted by jthorpe



The format for the TDR was a copy of Ford-diesel.com. You can thank Ford-diesel.com for the familiar look. Jason set that standard.




FD's format is a standard? Its simplistic if anything.



The format of the TDR site IS NOT a copy of Ford-diesel.com and I take it as an insult to say we copied any of it. It has zero in common with F-D's format. I write all my HTML from scratch, by hand with no help from any HTML editing software. Take a look at www.ford-trucks.com if you want to see another example of my work.



TDR:

1. It uses different board software.

2. Different left hand site navigation and front page.

3. The menu at the top of the screen is completely different and far more complex (as far as HTML goes) than Jason's menus.

4. The classifieds are different and far more sophisticated and feature rich.

5. The gallery software that I'm writing and testing right now will blow everyone out of the water when its released.....



The only thing the sites have in common is the word "diesel. " Say TDR is a copy is one heck of a stretch... .



Ken

TDR Admin
 
Maybe I should have been more clear Ken. Rob Spading, when moving from his original site to the TDR, used UBB and used the same format and category headers as Jason. That hasn't much changed category and subject wise.



Now that's great that you write your own html. I think the site has improved tremendously since it's inception but that doesn't change the fact that Rob used Jasons format when he switched it from Dieselram.com to the TDR.



I partly use an editor and partly write my own. I also write a lot of Perl scripts and do some C++ that's not related to websites. Like I said, I think you've done a great job with it since you took it over but facts are facts. Rob started this site and he used Jasons' as a model. You've improved it and I commend you for it.



I really don't feel like turning this into a flame fest. That's not my intent. Good day.



Jack
 
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Before this lapses into a bunch of computer talk I don't undersand....

Let me just say I really like the fact that we pay to post here. I think it definitly keeps trouble makers away. Now, I'm not talking about folks who think, say "PSD's are better than Cummins" and here's why. I'm talking about guys who only want to stir up trouble, make crap up and other assorted nonsense. Most of these folks will not bother to pay $35 bucks to start trouble. It's kind of like the local lake, it's free and anyone can use it. You troll around the shores in a bass boat and there's so much garbage and trash on the banks it's pathetic. Go to a nearby Corp of Engineers lake where you have to pay $2 bucks per person to get in and the banks are very clean. Why? People who only want to trash something won't pay to do it, they'll go somewhere where it's free.
 
Are you talking about me danandme?





"I'm talking about guys who only want to stir up trouble, make crap up and other assorted nonsense. "



:D



Doc
 
Re: Before this lapses into a bunch of computer talk I don't undersand....

Originally posted by danandme

Let me just say I really like the fact that we pay to post here. I think it definitly keeps trouble makers away. Now, I'm not talking about folks who think, say "PSD's are better than Cummins" and here's why. I'm talking about guys who only want to stir up trouble, make crap up and other assorted nonsense. Most of these folks will not bother to pay $35 bucks to start trouble. It's kind of like the local lake, it's free and anyone can use it. You troll around the shores in a bass boat and there's so much garbage and trash on the banks it's pathetic. Go to a nearby Corp of Engineers lake where you have to pay $2 bucks per person to get in and the banks are very clean. Why? People who only want to trash something won't pay to do it, they'll go somewhere where it's free.



So basically, you're saying that people who use free websites are trouble makers, correct? I think that's a bunch of horsepucky. This is the only pay site out of the 4 or 5 that I frequent and I find the users of this site no better or worse than others. What I have seen in this thread so far doesn't please me. I see a group of folks for the most part who think they're soooo much better than the rest out there. Why? Because they paid 35 bucks. Big deal.
 
Seems to me I remember reading something about "imitation being the best form of flatery".

Kind of like diesel engines. Who cares who invented them? They just keep getting better. Well, Cummins that is. :D
 
:confused: How do you get "All people who use free web sites are trouble makers" out of what I just said? I have no problem with free sites or what you're doing. To return to my comparison to how the lakes around here are, most of the people who go to the free lake aren't trouble makers either, I'm just saying the fee helps weed out the 5% who are.
 
Originally posted by danandme

:confused: How do you get "All people who use free web sites are trouble makers" out of what I just said? I have no problem with free sites or what you're doing. To return to my comparison to how the lakes around here are, most of the people who go to the free lake aren't trouble makers either, I'm just saying the fee helps weed out the 5% who are.



This isn't the lake. This is the web and I have a hard time agreeing with the analogy you're using. As a matter of fact, most of the enthusiast websites are free and they don't have a whole lot of riff raff. Think what you want. I don't agree with it at all and I think most people would find it insulting. Luckily, you're inside a space where everyone has paid the money so I doubt you're going to get a lot of argument, regardless of what people think.



I find some of the posts in this thread insulting but then again, I think many of them had no idea that I was a TDR member so I'm sure they'll find it a bit shocking when they see that the webmaster of the site they were putting down for no good reason (other than to suck up) is actually watching. Yes, the webmaster for the "whiners" is a TDR member. Pfft.
 
a little off topic but..........

Jthorpe,



A member posted this in a thread last week about the chevy diesel web page. I thought it was good. :



QUOTE]Originally posted by



BUT, all who read here, and make comparisons between Dodge/Cummins and GM/Duramax based on what they find posted over in the GM Dieselpage should be FULLY aware of the extreme CENSORSHIP in that group, and the tight CONTROL maintained by the moderator, the site administrator, and several heavy contributors there closely associated with GM and Duramax! Unfortunately, those WITH close ties to GM do far more to hide and distort problem issues with the new truck than actually HELP those with questions or problems. :rolleyes:





You will immediately notice FAR fewer posts in their Duramax furums than here - There's a REASON for that, and THAT is because they have aggressively attacked and driven off any appearing there who DARE display criticism of GM or the Duramax - they have REPEATEDLY deleted posts of those who have brought problems with the Duramax to their board, or criticism, and will quickly BAN posters who display what THEY consider as a "critical attitude". :rolleyes:



Talk about FEAR and insecurity! :rolleyes: :p



ARE there problems with the GM Duramax? Sure - here's one that DID manage to make it to their forum -



http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001090.html



and be SURE to notice the posters there with "max" as part of their screen names, and references to them being associated with GM and Duramax - THOSE are some of the guys who attack and shoot down critics of the Duramax in order to control and censor input to the group...
 
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I'm a Canadian (ya I know ,so what ) anyways with the exchange it cost me close to $60. 00 and I still consider it a bargain
 
Bottom Line... ? IMO, TDR has been the best site by far, and the $35 is peanuts. However, if we don't continue forward with a sense of allegiance, and we don't guard against in-fighting and -bickering we're going to lose those very qualities which made us shine. :(
 
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