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I'm going on an 18 hr day and no end in site.



Doesn't sound like fun... .



I'm thinking of having some injectors made with stocke sized holes but twice as many of them at offset angles.



To do that you need one thing that no one seems able to obtain

from Bosch. Blankn not drilled injector tips. Then you could do the

holes like you want.



Inefficient combustion huh? you mean a 1/2" deep pool of diesel in the piston won't burn? so much for that garden hose injector idea.



Too big fuel drops are enough to hurt the combustion, no deep fuel pool needed burn inefficient.



Marco
 
Re: MK do you ever sleep???

Originally posted by Marco



Well, I'm arround that number for daily driving. My set of injectors and the ECM ( plus our fuel) barely smokes at all. By 8-10 Psi no more smoke. Had it smog tested, opacity 8% Oo.






cool!



hey do you have a current dyno report?



here is mine.



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No dyno

Sorry, I can't provide a dyno sheet. The problem is that we don't have a large enough dyno for the Ram. The dyno's here are build for what we have here. Small cars, compared to yours.



The rollers of the dyno's are too small for my tires, can't get traction. Then again almost every dyno here is capable to measure up to 350 hp.



The last time I tried to dyno my truck, I burried the hp scale, wore the ball bearings of the rollers out. Then the guy sez, wow how much smoke! It was white smoke comming from the tires not the

exhaust.



So I have to use the rule of about 11 Hp for every lb of boost.

My truck makes 42 Psi, gives about 462. The small pocket gizmo sez 443.



Sure would be fun to have a Mustang Dynometer here and get some test session with my friends that own their 'lil Porsches and Ferrari's...



Marco
 
Yes, we should have some hard numbers soon.

We've had a hard time to work out several bugs. Dyno numbers were not much important. Altough I firmly believe that dyno numbers don't tell everything about how the truck performes then on the raod/track. Well but that's another story.



I think it's also important to see what is done to the engine to raise it's power.



Mod's on my engine are:



Custom build injectors ( here in Europe). Majestic tweaked HX-40,

disabled wastegate, 4" exhaust with custom build glass pack muffler, Bhaf, ECM. No boxes, no drugs, no boost fooler.

Evrything else on the engine is stock, except the relocated IAT.



Marco
 
now that we are way off topic

2001 ETH DEE

DD3 Injectors, Diablo Power Puck, PS Boost Module, Stock HX35 set for 35 PSI of boost (disabled wastgates are bad IMO), 4" exhaust, Custom K&N intake, Relocated lift pump.



looks like you have the only living HX40 from Majestic... I think the rest bought the farm.



My truck dyno'd at 233hp with just 275's



302hp with 275's and the Puck



358hp with above bombs



all on the same dyno
 
Majestic HX-40

I think you're right DF. Looks like mine is the only one still alive.



The funny thing is that my turbo is mostlikely one of the most abused HX-40's. Most of my the software development was done with that turbo. That means several hundred 0 to top speed runs.

One day I've counted 36 in only one afternoon... .

We don't have any track here setup for the 1/4 runs, but we have

roads with very few cops... :--)



Marco
 
Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick



I'm thinking of having some injectors made with stock sized holes but twice as many of them at offset angles.






mark



the problem with this idea is no one knows how weak the tips would be if you started adding holes. marco is right we need blank tips and then we could do what ever we want with them. the other big problem is spray angle. how do we get it perfect? edm'ing is about the only way.



i'm glad to see you getting so excited about this hp stuff all of a suddon. i wish you and ats luck, your going to need it.



jim
 
My injectors were made from blank tips. Stock spray angle is 153°. don't even think to mess with that!!! Spray angle is matched to combustion chamber. Don't change it or you're out for troubles. To add more holes they have to be on two different levels.

Oh, yeah, EDM'ing is the only way. Test units must be hand made. This allows much tighter tollerances than a production unit but has the downside in the price. Can you say BIG MONEY?



:--)



Marco
 
A friend and I were inquiring w/extrude hone and they seem to think they can poke more holes and change the size of existing ones.



I've been wanting a lot of power for a while. I know of a few red trucks that need a spanking. The question is who's gonna step up to hand it out? ;):D Iwonder if I have deep enough pockets and strong enough components??? It'd be nice.
 
Deep Pockets,, and Short Arms... . :(



Or in my case, Long arms, and shallow pockets. :(



I'l be puffin' a little smoke at Muncie also.



What kind of Damage can you do to your motor with excessive smoke? Does the inefficient burn make hot spots on the pistons, and cylinders?



Thanks



Merrick Cummings Jr
 
Originally posted by Diesel Freak

Marco, what transmission do you have?



Auto, or a 5 speed? What have you done to the transmission to hold all that power?



all that power??? it's ONLY 450hp:rolleyes: ;) :p :D



Good work Marco. . all that w/no box huh? pretty cool:cool:
 
Combustion

MK sez:

"A friend and I were inquiring w/extrude hone and they seem to think they can poke more holes and change the size of existing ones. "



I'm by no mean a hone expert, but I can't see how they would be able to obtain more holes with it.



There is no real damage to the engine with smoke( other then soot in the oil). Also a little smoke is inherent with the diesel combustion. The real damage you do with BIG SMOKE is to the combustion. Inefficient injection, or too much fuel for the air charge in the cylinder, both harm the combustion. What you see then is smoke. In the case most of us are interested in, it harms HP.



We're way off topic here but I think it's worth to understand this concept better.



Let's say we have an diesel engine on a engine dyno. The engine dyno can apply a variable load to the engine without letting the engine increase it's RPM's. To keep things simple, let's also say the engine has no turbo. Always to keep it simple this engine has a governed low idle speed of 1500 Rpm.



( Imagine the engine dyno like a "brake" applied to the engines crankshaft. As the force applied to the brake increases the load on the engine increases)



Ok, the engine idles at 1500 Rpm, we see absolutely no smoke from it's exhaust. We start to add a little more fuel to each injection stroke. Now the engine should rev higher but at the same time we also increased the load on the engine to maintain the same engine speed. What have we done? We have increased the power the engine produces.



As we go on to increase fuel-load, more fuel-load, more fuel-load

... . , at a certain point we'll start to see smoke from the exhaust.

We have reached the limit of the engines efficient combustion.

(This limit is obviously different for each engine. )



From this limit-point on, as we further increase fuel (load) we'll obtain always more smoke.



What happens? The engine isn't capable to burn all the fuel we're injecting. The smoke we see is oxidized but unburned fuel.

Inside the combustion chamber the excess fuel cools the burning flame thus it "absorbs" part of the combustion energy, which we wanted to translate into Hp.



In our imaginary engine test, we've gained 1 hp for every fuel-load increase. From the "inefficient combustion point" on for every fuel increase we'll see 1/3 Hp increase. As we go further with the fuelling we'll see the HP decrease.



(At a certain point, if we increase the fuel further (much) the engine won't be able to ignite the fuel at all... . )



Now, we let go the brake we've applied to the engine. The engine will rev up until the balance between internal frictional forces and the energy we supply through the fuel is met. At this point we most likely will not have any smoke from the exhaust because with the higher Rpm the engine can breath more air.



For those with a deeper insight into the combustion/engine technology ( I'm sure there are several of you here) I beg your pardon.

I know I've kept things too simple, but I want to make it understandable to the less technically inclined...



Marco
 
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