this G56 / NV5600 crap is getting old

[AlexWV]

Now I see why they have sticky thread in here about being nice in transmission discussions. Some of you all get pretty emotional about it.



I have a G56 and I'm pretty sure that it is way better than any automatic. I'm entitled to say that since I have one and had an automatic once. There, let the fun begin. :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Tim]

I laugh at all this G-56 trashing anyway. I bet half the haters have automatics. If I really wanted to talk trash, I'd even question the manhood of someone who'd own a Diesel truck with an automatic transmission. That said, I keep such comments to myself as they serve no useful purpose.

 

[daytripper63]

Well I have to say I like my 5 speed ( I can say that because I have one )and the less rowing when driving around town, and have seen many people putting big power to the ground with no problems

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"I bet half the haters have automatics. "





Well, ummmm - to point out the obvious, SURE the "haters", and critics have some other type transmission, why would they buy something they distrust or have a dislike for - and do the G56 fans here REALLY suggest the critics must actually go out and BUY one of the G56's before their criticism is valid?



This line of reasoning keeps coming back to the "I don't actually have to TASTE dog crap to know I wouldn't like it" - and using the above reasoning, I'm not really entitled to that opinion until I *do* actually try it...



Most of those posting suspicion and criticism of the DMF and G56 do so based upon previous posts and threads pointing out problems of those who *DO* own them, as well as the fast shuffle by DC as they witheld deliveries of trucks equipped with the G56 - a shuffle that nearly put YOU afoot, and as I recall, you were putting up a rather loud scream of anguish and disgust at that time yourself...



Remember?

 

[Tim]

and do the G56 fans here REALLY suggest the critics must actually go out and BUY one of the G56's before their criticism is valid?

Yes. There are absolutely zero first hand accounts of problems with G-56s, yet this crap continues.

Most of those posting suspicion and criticism of the DMF and G56 do so based upon previous posts and threads pointing out problems of those who *DO* own them, as well as the fast shuffle by DC as they witheld deliveries of trucks equipped with the G56 - a shuffle that nearly put YOU afoot, and as I recall, you were putting up a rather loud scream of anguish and disgust at that time yourself...

The delay in delivery proves absolutely nothing. I, to this day, have still seen no conclusive proof as to why the delay happened to this day. Nothing in writing, nothing from DC, just speculation from a bunch of board members.



The criticism of the DMF and the G-56 are completely unfounded. No member of this board has had one replaced or failed. Until then, this whining is totally unacceptable. You guys all called me a crybaby or said I was whining when I was ****** that my truck didn't show up--and I was, and I still don't like the fact that I had to tow with a truck that only had 500 miles on it.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Yes. There are absolutely zero first hand accounts of problems with G-56s, yet this crap continues. "



UMmmm - you musta missed a few - including these below:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134331&highlight=g56





https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133400



And here's a pair of interesting posts:



Quote:

Originally Posted by EBottema

Ha geez tim, were you not a couple month prior praising the G56? Guess your not to happy with the inhouse DC junk.







"I would still rather have an NV 5600. There's nothing wrong with a G56, but given the oppertunity to replace my clutch with something more stout without the DMF, I will definitely take it.



I used to work in a machine shop, and having had DMFs on the flywheel grinder, (yeah, I know you're not suppose to cut them, but we did what the customers wanted) I know how easily they slip. I'd say there are only a few things I'd change about my truck given the chance, and putting reverse where it, "Belongs" and a solid flywheel would be two changes I'd like to have. "



HMMmmm who wrote the above? OH, that was TIM... :-laf



SO, some of us DO form opinions based upon what we read posted HERE, on THIS board - including the last one displayed above by YOU - or should we ignore your posted opinion? :-laf :-laf

 

[HBarlow]

I don't own a 3G truck or even a G-56 transmission or dual mass flywheel/clutch assembly, haven't test driven one, haven't even ridden in one. I don't actually know beans about them other than they are German made by DC or a subsidiary. I am a little envious of those of you who have new 3G trucks with G-56 transmissions while I'm still driving my 218,000 mile Ram with NV-5600 which never has shifted very smoothly.



I think I'll make up something stupid and critical to say about your trucks, express some opinions about what a bad product they are.



I wonder who would appreciate hearing my opinions about your trucks?



Harvey

 

[Tim]

I don't own a 3G truck or even a G-56 transmission or dual mass flywheel/clutch assembly, haven't test driven one, haven't even ridden in one. I don't actually know beans about them other than they are German made by DC or a subsidiary. I am a little envious of those of you who have new 3G trucks with G-56 transmissions while I'm still driving my 218,000 mile Ram with NV-5600 which never has shifted very smoothly.



I think I'll make up something stupid and critical to say about your trucks, express some opinions about what a bad product they are.



I wonder who would appreciate hearing my opinions about your trucks?



Harvey

My point exactly.

"Yes. There are absolutely zero first hand accounts of problems with G-56s, yet this crap continues. "



UMmmm - you musta missed a few - including these below:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134331&highlight=g56





https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133400



And here's a pair of interesting posts:



Quote:

Originally Posted by EBottema

Ha geez tim, were you not a couple month prior praising the G56? Guess your not to happy with the inhouse DC junk.







"I would still rather have an NV 5600. There's nothing wrong with a G56, but given the oppertunity to replace my clutch with something more stout without the DMF, I will definitely take it.



I used to work in a machine shop, and having had DMFs on the flywheel grinder, (yeah, I know you're not suppose to cut them, but we did what the customers wanted) I know how easily they slip. I'd say there are only a few things I'd change about my truck given the chance, and putting reverse where it, "Belongs" and a solid flywheel would be two changes I'd like to have. "



HMMmmm who wrote the above? OH, that was TIM... :-laf



SO, some of us DO form opinions based upon what we read posted HERE, on THIS board - including the last one displayed above by YOU - or should we ignore your posted opinion? :-laf :-laf

Later on in the same thread you posted:



I'm thinking with all the NV5600 6 speed replies -- seems this is more common than I thought. Now I'm wondering if it's the 4x4 transfer case in later models and not the fault of the G56 at all. If this is the case, I'll get off blaming the G56 (even though the dealer thought it was normal for this 'new' transmission) and look to other possibilities... .



No conclusive proof of any problem with the G-56 nor the clutch.



Same man in another thread... .



I don't know what the deal is with the G-56. I may not have a problem with my G-56. I don't know if the dual mass flywheel will come to bite people in the butt in the long run. I shouldn't condemn the G-56 until I can get some answers on my truck and the large amount of slack I have on the driveline. So for that part of my comments I agree with Rick 100% -- it should be taken with a grain of salt at this point.



This man has 9 posts. One of them is condemning the G-56, and then later on, he's not so sure. Not exactly a reliable source for a potential problem.



The other post there has been no followup on, but it has only been two days.



IMO, there still has been no credible proof of a single recorded incident of the G-56 or DMF failing.



As to my comments, the NV 5600 still has reverse in the "WRONG" place, so this was not a function of the change in transmissions. It moved from one "Wrong" place to another with the G-56 change. Hopefully my next truck can have reverse down and to the right like nearly every other manual transmission on the planet.



The solid/DMF flywheel thing is not a durability issue at this time, in my opinion. If it does fail, it will be expensive to replace. As long as the G-56 proves durable enough to be without it, I will consider replacing it with a single mass/solid flywheel when the time arises. The ONLY reason I say that is that DMFs are expensive to replace. The suggestion that they are a complete and utter failure in this market is totally and completely false. A lot of vehicles have dual mass flywheels and they run many thousands of miles without incident. The DMF is designed for people that don't know how to drive a 6 speed, and for them it's great. I don't need it--so I probably won't miss it when it's gone. That is the only reason I have suggested eliminating it. I do not believe it to be a durability issue until I see or hear of problems regarding the assembly.



Mine has made it 5,000 miles so far. I bet it'll make it another 195,000 before I even have to think about what I'm going to do with it.



I'm sure everyone thought the Wright brothers were nuts when they said they could build a machine that would fly. 102 years later, they wouldn't even recognize their invention today if they were alive. That's not to say that a lot of people didn't try, and fail, to build flying machines--that is far from the truth. I know for fact a lot of people tried building a dual mass flywheel for a Diesel, heavy duty pickup, and failed. That said, I have had no issues with mine, heard of no first hand problems from a credible source, and until I do, I have no logical reason to question the durability of the product.



Maybe you should read the examples you've posted yourself before you even bother. Nowhere, at any time, have I ever said that the G-56 was a problem, a durability complaint, or anything of the sort. It's NOT. Maybe it will be, but my truck has 5,000 miles on it that beg to differ with you.



Either way, the morons that don't even own one really need to quit their whining. The ignorance is so deep I think I need my chest waders just to visit the site anymore.

 

[67guzzler]

"Yes. There are absolutely zero first hand accounts of problems with G-56s, yet this crap continues. "



UMmmm - you musta missed a few - including these below:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134331&highlight=g56





https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133400



And here's a pair of interesting posts:



Quote:

Originally Posted by EBottema

Ha geez tim, were you not a couple month prior praising the G56? Guess your not to happy with the inhouse DC junk.







"I would still rather have an NV 5600. There's nothing wrong with a G56, but given the oppertunity to replace my clutch with something more stout without the DMF, I will definitely take it.



I used to work in a machine shop, and having had DMFs on the flywheel grinder, (yeah, I know you're not suppose to cut them, but we did what the customers wanted) I know how easily they slip. I'd say there are only a few things I'd change about my truck given the chance, and putting reverse where it, "Belongs" and a solid flywheel would be two changes I'd like to have. "



HMMmmm who wrote the above? OH, that was TIM... :-laf



SO, some of us DO form opinions based upon what we read posted HERE, on THIS board - including the last one displayed above by YOU - or should we ignore your posted opinion? :-laf :-laf

I was in the kitchen getting popcorn & beer. What did I miss? :-{}



Now Gary & Tim -- you guys #ad
and #ad
and make up.



Ok -- More seriously -- I promise to report back whether the G-56 is ultimately involved. I really think it is because of the many ways I can induce the clunks and the apparent origin. It doesn't have that feel of a U-Joint or the rear end. It's more soft and sloppy. I understand that slack can be cumulative. All the components (differential, u-joints, xfer case & transmission) can all be barely within tolerances for slack but cumulatively you can have a mess. Who knows? Maybe that's my problem. But I realized after I read my posts that I have to be fair and conceed that the G-56 in my case might not be the problem. It doesn't mean that my opinion or hunch is worthless. I've been around a while. I've owned 7 diesel trucks (1 chevy 2 ferds and now 4 dodge's). I really think an asterisk next to my reports / vents is more appropriate. I really appreciate the tolerance you all have given for a fellow Dodge CTD fan to vent. I don't want to appear incoherent or irrational. That's why I re-read my posts and then modify later. Not to say I was wrong, but to realize there may be another view.



Now even if the G-56 is NOT the the problem, I would recommend AGAINST buying one now because of the unknown nature of this implementation and the fact that this mid-year change confuses the diagnosis of any driveline problems. That's my opinion on this issue as one who owns one and is having trouble. It doesn't mean the G-56 is bad -- it means it wasn't worth the risk to me to purchase this truck had I known what I know now. DC so far is using the "newness" of this transmission to excuse this gross amount of driveline slack. That alone is enough for me (and I'd argue any reasonable person) to have regrets. Again -- opinion, not fact.

 

[NIsaacs]

No comment's on the G56 v/s NV-5600, don't wan'a get in trouble. I do like the reverse location on the 5600 tho, same place Borg-warner and Ford had it for years. Clark transmissions have it to the left and down, Eaton transmissions have it to the left and up. I forget where Spicer puts theirs, somewhere on the left I think. The old Jeep three speed put reverse to the left and up. Anyhow, this planet uses lot'sa locations for reverse.





"NICK"

 

[klenger]

Don't forget about the old VW transmission. I think it was under 2nd gear, but can't rembember for sure. Maybe below 1st.

 

[ChrisTucker]

I have just under 3000mi on my G56. I bought it from Tommygun, drove 1000 miles home the first day with no problems. 12 hrs later it was hooked up to my 10,000lb enclosed construction trailer and has not been removed since. I drive 50 miles a day in New Jersey stop and go traffic (city driving, stoplight every 1/2 mile or so , no highway driving). So I shift through the gears at least 75-100 times a day. I have had no problems yet. I think the clunking everyone is hearing is the Dual mass flywheel doing its job. It is a 2 peice flywheel connected together by compression springs. When power is put on it, the springs compress and slowly return to position as the drivetrain catches up to the engine speed. If you let off the throttle when the springs are fully compressed, the flywheel slams back to original position(CLUNK). This also happens when you row through the gears very fast and the springs have no time to return to normal with a load on them. You get a clunk or bang through each gear when pressing in the clutch. If you put the trans in 2nd or 3rd and drive in a parking lot, give it a little go pedal and then let off fast, (CLUNK) its the dual mass thingy doing its job.

Sometimes you gotta stop and think OUTSIDE the box.

Just an honest worken' man's opinion

 

[dhill]

I laugh at all this G-56 trashing anyway. I bet half the haters have automatics. If I really wanted to talk trash, I'd even question the manhood of someone who'd own a Diesel truck with an automatic transmission. That said, I keep such comments to myself as they serve no useful purpose.

Tim, not to worry, in a couple of months Gary and his followers will have the '06 to condem. They will be so busy telling everyone that they should have a second gen truck with the 5spd that they will most likely forget about the G-56.

I also feel pretty bad that those few guys that would not even consider a G-56 will have to wait until Dodge comes out with the NV5800. What do you think they would do, if by some unfortunate accident, their truck was destroyed and had to get a new one, and by some quirk of fate there were NO trucks with the NV5600 left in the country? Do you think they would buy a ford just to keep from getting a G-56?



Oh yes , do a search on the NV5600 and you'll find hundreds maybe thousands of posts on the troubles of that transmission, BUT that is ok because it is a proven -- bullet proof trany.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Do you think they would buy a ford just to keep from getting a G-56? "



NOPE, *I* would be getting one of them dandy new Toyota 1-ton diesel duallies with the new dual turbo V8 with 500 HP and 900 tq complete with standard exhaust brake that offers either a Asian version of an Allison 6-speed automatic OR the electronically shifted 6-speed manual transmission designed especially for heavy-duty RV towing...



If that fails, I'd buy a GMC Diesel - ANYTHING but that Dodge with the funky DMF and G56...



There, THAT oughta bring the pot to a FULL boil!



You guys take this stuff WAYYyyy too seriously!

 

[robert4570]

"Do you think they would buy a ford just to keep from getting a G-56? "



NOPE, *I* would be getting one of them dandy new Toyota 1-ton diesel duallies with the new dual turbo V8 with 500 HP and 900 tq complete with standard exhaust brake that offers either a Asian version of an Allison 6-speed automatic OR the electronically shifted 6-speed manual transmission designed especially for heavy-duty RV towing...



If that fails, I'd buy a GMC Diesel - ANYTHING but that Dodge with the funky DMF and G56...



There, THAT oughta bring the pot to a FULL boil!



You guys take this stuff WAYYyyy too seriously!

Stirr up the hornet's nest Gary.

Boy , transmission threads are like politics and religion .

No one will change thier point of view and discussions can get very heated.

Love watching the sparks fly . :-{}

 

[FATCAT]

... I also feel pretty bad that those few guys that would not even consider a G-56 will have to wait until Dodge comes out with the NV5800. ...

Not me, I'm waiting for the 8LL rumored to be available in 2009. :-laf



Anyway ... all you 3G guys secreatly wish you had the simple old 12 valve P7100 1997 trucks ... they'll be like the '57 Chevys in a few years :-laf

 

[robert4570]

Not me, I'm waiting for the 8LL rumored to be available in 2009. :-laf



Anyway ... all you 3G guys secreatly wish you had the simple old 12 valve P7100 1997 trucks ... they'll be like the '57 Chevys in a few years :-laf

I too admire 12 valvers especially when they pull up next to me at a traffic light.

I slowly roll the window down so as not to be noticed and enjoy the sound.

Down side is wear on vehicles and the eventuall replacement of them .

If insurance wasn't so high i would have even kept my 24 valver. :{

 

[dhill]

"Do you think they would buy a ford just to keep from getting a G-56? "







You guys take this stuff WAYYyyy too seriously!

Not me. the only I'm on today is because it's raining.





"Anyway ... all you 3G guys secreatly wish you had the simple old 12 valve P7100 1997 trucks "



Nope to that too, been there done that and I ain't going back.



Dave

 

[Yo Hoot]

I drive automatics only because shifting is like... old fashioned and just a plain old pain in the *** :-laf



I also get power windows cause cranking is stupid



They still make manual transmissions and cranks for windows? :-{}





Just razzin

 

[klenger]

New rules for transmission threads: You can only respond if you actually own the transmission discussed in the thread. :-{}