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My "Powerstroke" experience

One more thing about the (st) dealers!!!! Service parts are sometimes incredibly unreasonable!!!!! Therefore; the stealer name. Luckily I have a good dealer by me that will tell me, "don't get this part from us, it's a lot cheaper down the road" OR they'll cut me some slack in the price just because they know they are the only one's who sell it. Of course, I drive right past the two closer dealerships on my way to this one because they just flat out don't care.



Don't take it personal. When we say road conctruction sucks, we don't mean the road construction crews suck, it's how the majority are managed!!!
 
parcher



I applaud your efforts to become certified and increase your skills. I wish there were a way to clone you and install the clones all over country. My experience with Dealerships echo most folks here except mine wernt warranty issues as I bought it used and was willing to pay for the work. It was the service writer that was the major jerk, all 3 of them. The mechanic, and I use the term with respect, helped me when the service writer said 2 weeks till I could get it worked on the mechanic jumped in and said it will take 5 minutes to fix and its not leaving here un-repaired so he fixed it. Broken wire on temp sending unit. After 3 times of this type of treatment if that was my only choice for repairs i would set it on fire in their driveway first. The previous service writer went to work in a town 40 miles away for Dodge and I lucked on to him and they are great. I have talked to a bunch of people in this small town here that have bought from these jerks and everyone hates them. Its a shame there are so few good dealerships compared to so many lousy ones and it must be great to work for a good one.

Boy this sure hits everybodys hot button.
 
Dealers

It sounds like I'm in the minority here but all of my warranty

problems were taken care of quickly and for the most part

efficiently. The longest time I had to leave my truck was for

the replacement of the short block because of the infamous

crack on the right hand side of my original engine.



Gus
 
The last time my truck was at the dealership, it was for the replacement of the fuel sending unit for the third time, on this trip, the emergency brake handle was broken off and a huge dent was installed into my passenger side door... .



The dealership claimed that it was already there, I knew that it wasn't as I do a walk around before and after I drop my truck off, I confronted them on it before I left there. They owed up to the handle but wouldn't fix the dent. This occured 2 years ago, and has never been back to a dealership again.



Morph.
 
Paul,



I dont blame you for wanting to vent. If i were in your shoes I would probably say the same things you have. I have had both good and not so good experiences with dealers. Were all human and make mistakes. So if I am the guy who just dropped 40k on a new CTD and the service dept. does anything less than perfection I wont be happy. That does not make the dealer a stealer.

My local Dodge dealer changed a leaking pinion seal 700 miles out of warranty and did not charge me a dime. Thats great. But the same dealer wanted to charge me extra $ on a factory recall because I installed a shunt under the hood to run an amp meter.



The mechanic said it was a non factory item and needed to be r and rd to do the recall. I raised heck with the service manager and said give me a screwdriver and Ill take it off in 30 seconds,

or get the mechanic to eat it or Ill take it to another dealer. They didnt charge me extra for the recall but how dare a mechanic try to get extra $ out of the customer because the job was going to take him an extra minute.



And parts pricing is another problem. I dont know if DC sets the prices or the dealer. Tha parts dept needs to have smelling salts and a nurse to pick up the customer after the price quote. I have gone to many dealers for a part that truly should have cost a dollar of 2. They quote 60 dollars. Its not more than you expected its so far off you want to say "I ment the oil filler cap not the entire engine". I dont see how they can justify some of the costs.



Its not just Chrysler Its Ford, GM, and the rice burners.



I dont know if its dealers or stealers but I do know if the cost of buying and maintaining a vehicle keeps going up the way it has in the last 20 years alot of us will no longer be able to purchase these trucks. DC are you listening?
 
On the pricing, I have some recent issues... . Same town, two different dealers: After my truck was stolen, I needed both drivers and passengers side door handles (due to the moron's using prybars on them)... . First Dealer wanted 43 bucks apiece for them and would have to special order 1 since he only had the drivers side in stock. I went to the second dealer and bought them for 32. 00 apeice (less than 10 miles from the other dealer) and they had both of them in stock. The back quad window at both dealers was 380 bucks... . I ended up buying it at a glass repair place for 297. 00 bucks... . still way too much. I tried getting the door handles at the salvage, they didn't have any, but on their nation wide parts service could get me a pair for 43. 00 bucks... . more than the higher dealer for new ones... .



Morph.
 
My story starts with the day I supposed to take delivery of new 2002. I finish signing all the paperwork with the finance guy, transfer plates, verify auto insurance, etc. Then one of the techs walks in and says my truck is on the other lot and parked behind some other trucks. The Tech, Ed, said he went to look for the keys to all the other trucks but the key cabinet is locked. Ed said the truck was not prepped either. I went off on everyone in sight. They got in touch with the sales rep; he admitted that he forgot to put in all the paperwork to ‘sell the truck out of inventory’. He also suggest they give me a loaner out of the used car lot. Just before I could go off again the Finance Guy, Ken, told me I could take the new 1500 4 door off the floor. I told everyone I was traveling 250 miles a day round trip. “It does not matter, THE dealership screwed up. We want to make it right. Keep the loaner as long as you need to. ” Ken continued “ I will make sure you we have your truck ready tomorrow”. It was ready the next day. The sales rep brought it over from the ‘other lot’ with an empty tank and a big dent in the rear bumper were he backed it into a cement signpost. The sales rep known to his peers as oh…. the internet sales guy…I’m sorry, said sorry about that bumper thing can you keep it quite I’ll get in a lot of trouble. Since I forgot to take my medication I went off yet again, load enough for the dealer management and many big techs to come outside. After explaining the whole story the management asked for a volunteer to change the bumper, techs were fighting for the chance to help out. Other techs and management were walking around the truck to make sure nothing else was wrong. I help the kid change the bumper he helped calm me down so the sale rep would live.







If it were not for the rest of the people at the dealer that day, I would probably be going elsewhere. Since then I have had nothing but good things to say about Crowley Dodge in Bristol, Ct. I try to tell everyone I know to visit Crowley. Every time I call for a service appointment Ray remembers the truck and me.







It is just an unfortunate fact of life people expect to be treated as though the provider exists for them. If the are treated to there expectations no one will here about it. One irritated customer and the providers (regardless of industry) reputation can be ruined.
 
Thread Moved

I appreciate why this was posted in the "911" forum (for exposure), but that area is really in place to help the stranded trucker or individual whose truck is out of commission. I've moved this thread to the "General Diesel Topics" forum.



Robin

TDR Admin
 
I have been around DC dealers, customers, and factory people for over 20 years now and I have a couple of observations to share.

First of all there are good and bad dealers, customers, and factory people. And not just in our business, in all businesses. Hopefully all the bad people will get run out of the business. The best way to vote is with your shoes and wallet. Don't patronize the bad guys.

Now for the factory controlling the dealer, that's a complicated issue. Dealers are independent businessmen, with millions of $$$ invested, and in most states (especially California) are protected by very specific franchise laws. Unfortunately you just can't get rid of one because you don't agree with how they do business. Contrary to some beliefs, the dealer gets paid to perform warranty. 90% of the time he just does it, and submits for payment, and the factory pays. Only in cases where there is abuse or the chance of misdiagnosis does he need prior approval. In our part of the country they charge DC $90. 00+ per hour and make 40% markup on parts used for warranty repairs.



For the factory, there are good and bad people also. Some know a great deal, and some are young and just learning. The experienced ones have seen every scam, and heard every story. They have bad customers and dealers ripping them off every day. Most of the customers they see are not happy campers, and that has to wear on you. Sometimes they are having a bad day also. The other thing is, it’s their job to protect the assets for the shareholders of DC. It is a public company and like most public companies they are there for one thing, to make a profit.

Now you have to balance that with keeping customers. From what I have seen there are customers you want to keep and some (not that many thank goodness) that you would rather send to GM or Ford. The reality is, the factory is probably not all that pleased to spend thousands of dollars for warranty repairs, any more than a customer or dealer is. But that’s why you have a written warranty. It tells you exactly what they will pay for. Nothing more or less. But the bad part is DC pays for their screw-up (that’s what the warranty is for) along with a certain number of dealer and customer screw-ups. Let's be honest here. If you didn't install the drain plug right, why should DC bear the close to $10,000 cost to replace the engine. Or the box you install to up the horsepower and the engine or transmission fails. Why should DC pay for that? Some dealers look the other way and cover these failures, but risk the factory charging them back after the customer is long gone. Any time the true costs are passed on to another party, they in turn have to pass those costs on someone else. So in the long run, you and I end up paying for normal costs of doing business, and a little extra for the screw-ups of others.

I have found that you get a lot more from the dealer or factory if you are calm, polite, and reasonable. From the tone of some of the posts I have read, it's no wonder some people get what they get. And spending a couple of bucks at the dealer now and then doesn't hurt. Go in for and oil change once in a while. At least you won't be viewed as the warranty freebie customer. You shouldn't have to, but this is the real word.
 
My local Dealership STINKS !

and yes, I mean STINKS !



Last year, I took my wife's Town and Country van to the dealership to get a new gasket on the gas sending unit on top of the fuel tank. She walked away with a $34 gas cap!!!! They said she was overfilling the tank. I took pictures of the fill spout and the grimmy mess around the gas sending unit - opposite the fill spout. No way in He&% the gas ran UPHILL and collected in the immediate vicinity of the sending unit!! All I wanted was a simple o-ring and I'd fix it myself - afterall he FRAUDENTLY charged my wife for something was in NO WAY the problem. How much was an o-ring? Under a buck. Well, the service manager told me he stood behind he guys. He swoar that they had it up on the rack and that the sender unit was not in question. I showed him the pictures... He didn't budge! :--)



I conveniently took out a bank statement with a $12,000 deposit that "would have gone" to a new truck - I had even had for sale signs in my truck for 2 months. Needless to say, I did not get a new truck and especially would not have got one from him under any circumstance! I bought some land instead.



The entire time he and I were yelling (yes YELLING) at each other over this o-ring several customers passed by, the sales manager passed by, and the Service Manager kept it up. I told him he was a "Fool" and walked around the corner to buy the "dealer only" o-ring. There, I was met by two of the nicest guys I have ever been served by (I was a retail manager for 8 years - these guys deserve the Nobel Prize for great customer service). One was a service rep who had overheard everything and went and told the Parts Manager what was going on. They had a new o-ring all ready to go and just gave it to me - with an appology. After paying $34 for a gas cap, I accepted.



The next day I had Pizza and Pepsi delivered to the 2 employees at around 11:30 am. A month later I stopped in with a few 6-packs and gave one to each of them in front of the Service Manager.



They salvaged what little respect I had left for this dealership. They no longer work there... I will NOT be going back.
 
Well, my dealer is terrific. I bought my first truck (96 Ram 1500) from him in 96, then traded it on my 2500 V10, less than 1 year later. While the V10 was pretty reliable, I did have a cooling system issue that was annoying. Long story short, they replaced my radiator AFTER the truck was out of warranty - simply because I was a good customer.



I also bought my 2000 Neon from him in June 2000 (ordered from the factory). Since I traded the V10 on my PSD on March 01, I don't get back to that dealer but a couple times a year for basic stuff on the Neon. They always remember my name, and always ask about the V10 ( not to many of them in my area - or anywhere, for that matter. )



If I buy another Dodge someday, it will be from him - Videon Dodge, Edgemont, PA. 5 star and then some.
 
I can understand your frustration with being lumped into the bad dealer category. But dadgum, we spent a ton of money on these vehicles and then to get treated like we're idiots, liars or whatever by a tech or service manager is kind of insulting. I had to jump through hoops because of a persistant pinion seal leak. Because I didn't buy my truck at the Kingsland Dodge dealership, they got tired of me after the second leak. They tried to tell me it was the Amsoil and the Mag-Hytec combo that caused the leak:rolleyes: The third time I took it in, that's the excuse they stood behind and said they wouldn't cover it. They never looked further. The problem ended up being the axle housing itself, which the Dodge dealership in Brunswick ended up diagnosing and fixing. It took me 6 weeks to get this taken care of. I have a full time job and run a business on the side. I don't have time for that kind of crap. You should be upset and I don't blame you. Like another post stated, however, the wrath towards dealers on this web-site has been well earned.
 
They Never Believe Me

Try being female. I can walk in to a tire shop and not be able to convince the salesman that I really don't need four of the same size tires for my MR2. They don't belive me and will walk out to the car to check for themselves. Would they do this to an 18 year old male? Probably not.



I've had to show a tire shop the sticker in the glovebox to convince them not to put the same air pressure in all four tires. Would they have done that to my father? Probably not.



I complained about my car pulling to the right. Nothing got done until two tires were ruined. Would my ex have had that problem? Probably not.



When people saw a picture of me on my motorcycle the first question asked was usually, "Whose bike is that?" Would any male have been asked that question? Probably not.



So I have turned the tables on those guys. I show up in running shorts and high heels. I bat my eyelashes and tell them what smart, strong, capable men they are. I have walked out with free parts, full tanks of gas, had men drive to my house to perform repairs for me, tow my vehicles for reduced rates and I usually get some sort of a discount if they can figure out how to write it up. Would they do that for you if you wore shorts? Probably not. :D



Jean
 
Re: They Never Believe Me

Originally posted by ladyjaine

Try being female... . So I have turned the tables on those guys. I show up in running shorts and high heels. I bat my eyelashes and tell them what smart, strong, capable men they are. I have walked out with free parts, full tanks of gas, had men drive to my house to perform repairs for me, tow my vehicles for reduced rates and I usually get some sort of a discount if they can figure out how to write it up. Would they do that for you if you wore shorts? Probably not. :D



Jean



:-laf :-laf :-laf



I'm a long distance runner. I like women in running shorts. High heels would be tough on hills. Oo. :-laf
 
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Not a GOOD sign

When you call the dealer you bought your CTD a year and half ago (I forgot what for)from. The young kid service writer asks what engine you have?Then says we do not work on Diesels. We don't even sell them!Then one says the Diesel guy quit,one says he hurt his back. Thats when I drive 223 miles to Scheid Diesel.

Its just a shame that the good Techs suffer more than anyone because of the lies,incompetence andbad management.

RichR
 
Re: They Never Believe Me

Originally posted by ladyjaine

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So I have turned the tables on those guys. I show up in running shorts and high heels. I bat my eyelashes and tell them what smart, strong, capable men they are. :D



Jean



YOU GO GIRL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



;)
 
Although we are talking complex machines with difficult problems, the solution always is to:



A) Deny the problem exists. Owner doesn't have a clue what they are talking about, and the problem is not re-produceable. Complete waste of time and major inconvenience.



or



B) Start replacing parts. Of course, quality or longevity is not of any concern (ie: chassis parts or U joints are rarely greaseable) Whether or not the replaced parts actually solve the problem doesn't matter either. They are paid hourly and the cost of the parts is on the customer's bill.





I have dropped off my truck for AN APPOINTMENT when I was reassured in advance that a loaner would be available to find that no such loaner was available. I probably have 6 or 8 recalls that have not been dealt with just because I hate going to the STEALER. (price the parts and shop around-- The name IS appropriate)
 
You just have to love the old "cannot duplicate" on your service order:mad: :mad: when the problem is GLARING!!!



Get em Jean!!!!!!!!!! I would if I could!!!!
 
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