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WOW thats really sad... ..... I feel so horrible for the people that died, but you notice the people in the american piece of crap died and the people in the japenese car survived... ... says something about american engineers. And YES if someone cuts you off or you see a deer or even a person steeer AT THEM dont swerve and flip the car. I have seen too many crashes like that where the person swerved to avoid a deer and ended up flipping the car and dieing. I would wrather total the damn car and survive than flip it and die. Same here, That guy should have rammed that truck up the guy's a@@ who cut him off as it appears was done. But still a terribly sad story :(
 
One possible scenario, since reports say he was towing in the left fast lane AND got cut off by a passing car.



This is a habit I see a lot of RV's doing, driving slow in the fast lane. I've been stuck for miles and miles behind some idiot doing that. I have seen them get cut off before by passing cars. Not that every time it was a deliberate act (cutting back in close). Sometimes when an idiot is holding up the fast lane I have had to pass on the right (or left - oncoming) lane and cut back in close. Not deleiberate just the ONLY way around the RV / rolling road block.



We stay out of the fast lane when towing.



Dont be too harsh on the car, he may just have been trying to get around. Accidents happen but we shouldnt "ask for it" by hogging the fast lane. Or people WILL pass in a hurry and come back in too close.



Really a sad story.
 
Left Lane Lazy

See a lot of this, drivers who get in the left lane and use cruise control. Truckers. I drive all over the USA, and Texas and North East seem to have more problems with Left Lane Lazy drivers than other states.

When in California, Oregon and Washington last year, I saw so much less of Left Lane Lazy drivers than elsewhere. Left Lane Lazy may have had nothing to do with this accident.

I drive I-95 every week from MD to lower NC. As soon as I hit the NC border, the trucks pull out Left Lane Lazy and it takes 5-20 miles on their cruise control speed to return to the right lane. I know of no law that supports this.



Left Lane Lazy. Wrong. Pass and use the right lane, keep traffic flowing.



Contributions to the accident may have been 5, 10 or 15 miles back, and drivers became agitated and made a poor decision resulting in an accident.



Wayne
 
Lets remember that it is posted in that area "NO Trailers in left lane". This driver was in the left lane traveling fast with the traffic and did not give himself room to handle situations that can occur. He then swerved to avoid slowing traffic and a car that ducked in ahead of him. As other have said, he should have taken the guy ahead of him and not swerved. He had to be going fast to cross over to the North (100 feet or so away) bound lanes and kill three people. Triple axle 37 footer at maybe 15K and a 8K truck, is not going to stop once he is on the grass in the medium. He got a $538 ticket a year later, but I would think that he will be in civil court sooner or later. The WSP report with all the weight etc then maybe used against him.



Washington State continues to install the cable barriers between freeways, even after many cases of people going right thru or over them. They even put up big signs "Your Tax Dollars at Work!". SNOKING
 
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Sadly, as I rode home last night, north bound on US 301 was a F250 with a triple axle 5th wheel trailer squatted down, way overweight and proud of it.
 
Had one in Minnesota last weekend, looked like about a 30' bumper pull on a yukon. reported to be swerving before the crash, ended up on the median, crushed another vehicle killing a kid and her dad.

I have had a car stop dead in the left lane of a highway for a *$^$(@ goose. almost killed all four of them (missed 'em by inches), but the only other options were to go left or right and kill even more. even legal, these things will not stop quick. Yes folks towing heavy can be at fault, but stupid people can put us at risk too.
 
Schlickenmeyer said:
Yes folks towing heavy can be at fault, but stupid people can put us at risk too.



Towing heavy, that in itself, is never at fault. Driving stupid, now that is the cause of lots and lots of wrecks, I'd say the biggest percentage of them. I never cease to marvel at the talking head who announces that "six inches of snow caused over 200 accidents in the (put large city name here) area today". The snow didn't do anything but fall, it was DRIVERS exceeding the limitations of skill and machine that was the cause.
 
I have to agree with the 'don't stop/swerve for wildlife' idea. Wife was driving a few years age (no trailer) while I was trying to sleep (worked night shift) and kept stomping on the brakes and swerving to miss cottontail rabbits!!! I told her she better not wreck the $30,000 truck over a $. 50 rabbit!! There were thousands of them.





It sounds to me like WA needs to do something with this strech of road. Something like enforce the speed limits.







Mike
 
What you just said is the problem I have with society. Why don't they enforce the speed limits? Everybody has a constant ***** about goverment in their lives. Yet when if comes to controlling oneself, we seem to be very lacking. Why? Why do we not drive 65 or 70, when the speed limit is just that. Why do we pass stopped school buses? Why do we pass on double yellow lines?



Well, at my old age I've figgered it out. Everybody on the road is the most important person on the road, to himself. Nobody matters but "self". Their time is to be put in front of anybody else. Just my opinion, but, we breed this into folks and it happened in the 60's. I've watched this evolve over time, since the early 50"s, till now. Do anything you want, there are no consequences to what you do. If you wreck your truck or fiver, it was not your fault, that damn fool driving slower than you was at fault.



We really are just like sheep. We have to be looked after because we can't control ourselves.



WOW... ..... That's off my chest, now back to the topic.



C'y'all



. . Preston. .
 
Dogdiesel,



Have to respond to your uninformed thinking ... your description of "left lane lazy" ... .

Yeah right, we are in the left lane just to mess YOU up...



I drive truck for a living (tripples... 100 K#... . 3000 miles a week) and almost every company truck and even most trucks you get off the lot has a govenor on the fuel for a top speed. Mine is set at 65 mph... . On the flat, I can't go over that, ... I can coast downhill higher but that is short bits...



Most company trucks are set somewhere around 62 -70 mph... most are 65... and depending on tire wear, headwind, load, yeah it might take a few minutes to pass since I might be either a fraction or 1 or 2 mph faster than the otther... . we can't goose it to get around. If trucks were able to do 100 mph like almost all cars, I guarantee you most would do it.



So we are not lazy, we are trying to get around the slower traffic as soon as poss. to get out of your way because we know all of you are in a big hurry to get home and watch TV... or whatever...



Other than that stuff, as far as RV travel, I do about the same as my truck, I drive 65 and watch out for any idiots that come along... I stay out of the left lane except when passing and on my dodge, I can goose it to get around... . So lay off us truckers. . we are looking out for you... .



I have 1 million accident free miles in the last 10 years driving 3000 miles a week plus my 6 years in my dodge and towing 4 years for vacations and weekends,...



End rant... .
 
EricBu12 said:
Dogdiesel,



Have to respond to your uninformed thinking ... your description of "left lane lazy" ... .

Yeah right, we are in the left lane just to mess YOU up...



I drive truck for a living (tripples... 100 K#... . 3000 miles a week) and almost every company truck and even most trucks you get off the lot has a govenor on the fuel for a top speed. Mine is set at 65 mph... . On the flat, I can't go over that, ... I can coast downhill higher but that is short bits...



Most company trucks are set somewhere around 62 -70 mph... most are 65... and depending on tire wear, headwind, load, yeah it might take a few minutes to pass since I might be either a fraction or 1 or 2 mph faster than the otther... . we can't goose it to get around. If trucks were able to do 100 mph like almost all cars, I guarantee you most would do it.



So we are not lazy, we are trying to get around the slower traffic as soon as poss. to get out of your way because we know all of you are in a big hurry to get home and watch TV... or whatever...



Other than that stuff, as far as RV travel, I do about the same as my truck, I drive 65 and watch out for any idiots that come along... I stay out of the left lane except when passing and on my dodge, I can goose it to get around... . So lay off us truckers. . we are looking out for you... .



I have 1 million accident free miles in the last 10 years driving 3000 miles a week plus my 6 years in my dodge and towing 4 years for vacations and weekends,...



End rant... .



62 and NOT a bit more here :{
 
I have blown a front tire. And let me tell you this, it a lot easier to control than single wheel pickup with 2500 lbs in the bed. Act a fool and say, "I tow just fine with my 2500". You have the "right" to do what you please in America. Just prepare yourself to pay for your choices when the time comes. And it will come, probably when you will be the most comfortable

I'm out of here. You know my opinoin, and I know yours.



Happy towing.



. . Preston. .
 
My Bull-Crap Meter is Pegged

Normally, the trucks with governered speed are not the ones who stay in the left lane for extended periods. There are many, many, many trucks without govenors, who for instance in a 70 MPH zone, put it on 71 and hold the left lane.



Just yesterday, on I-95 just inside NC from VA, I saw an accident. I was in the right lane, a truck passed me on the left, just slightly above the speed limit. It has just began to rain. A car in front of him did not move over, and when the truck hit his brakes at the last second, he skidded off the road, took out the guard rail and blocked traffic for an hour. Immediately, the buzz on CB19 was the car cut him off. That car never hit their brakes. The trucker made a mistake.

My description of Left-Lane-Lazy is not only directed at truckers, it is directed at 4 wheelers and 4 wheelers mostly. Did that car ahead of the truck contribute to the accident. Yes. Absolutely. It is a very close example of left-lane-lazy. The car was on cruise, set likely just at or below the speed limit, and it had been in the left lane without return to the right for as far as I could observe.



The left lane is not a highway right, it is for passing, and blocking it with selfish cruise, regardless of speed, will contribute to the cause of an accident. Sooner or later.



I imformed. And not ranting.



EricBu12 said:
Dogdiesel,



Have to respond to your uninformed thinking ... your description of "left lane lazy" ... .

Yeah right, we are in the left lane just to mess YOU up...



I drive truck for a living (tripples... 100 K#... . 3000 miles a week) and almost every company truck and even most trucks you get off the lot has a govenor on the fuel for a top speed. Mine is set at 65 mph... . On the flat, I can't go over that, ... I can coast downhill higher but that is short bits...



Most company trucks are set somewhere around 62 -70 mph... most are 65... and depending on tire wear, headwind, load, yeah it might take a few minutes to pass since I might be either a fraction or 1 or 2 mph faster than the otther... . we can't goose it to get around. If trucks were able to do 100 mph like almost all cars, I guarantee you most would do it.



So we are not lazy, we are trying to get around the slower traffic as soon as poss. to get out of your way because we know all of you are in a big hurry to get home and watch TV... or whatever...



Other than that stuff, as far as RV travel, I do about the same as my truck, I drive 65 and watch out for any idiots that come along... I stay out of the left lane except when passing and on my dodge, I can goose it to get around... . So lay off us truckers. . we are looking out for you... .



I have 1 million accident free miles in the last 10 years driving 3000 miles a week plus my 6 years in my dodge and towing 4 years for vacations and weekends,...



End rant... .
 
The left lane is not a highway right, it is for passing, and blocking it with selfish cruise, regardless of speed, will contribute to the cause of an accident. Sooner or later.



Indeed it is for passing, and under the "every man for himself" rule there are a thousand and one scenarios where a guy can get in that left lane and pass.



Suppose Ellis is crawling along at 65 mph in the right lane with his Bigfoot camper, a speed he has found to be the best compromise for handling, comfort, and fuel efficiency (filled up yesterday in Ashdown Arkansas for example, 433. 8 miles on the odo and 28. 176 gallons = 15. 4 mpg). In his rearview mirror, he sees several interesting scenarios developing.



Driver #1 is closing the gap rapidly, doing 100 mph. He passes Ellis in a flash at a relative velocity of 35 mph, his bumper-pull trailer full of ATVs bouncing and fishtailing wildly behind him. The driver doesn't even seem to notice the huge camper rig as he whizzes by only inches away, being occupied with a cell-phone conversation, 3 screaming kids, a nagging wife, and the Big Mac he is eating. Supposing for the sake of argument that that he needs a 200 foot window to "pass" Ellis' rig and get back in the right lane, it takes him less than 4 seconds to pass.



Driver #2 is closing the gap somewhat rapidly, doing a mere 85 mph. He passes Ellis at only 20 mph closing velocity, so it takes him almost 7 valuable seconds to pass. That 7 seconds seems like an eternity to Ellis, because Driver #2 has a double trailer rig full of gravel which is scattering out of the truck at every bounce and expansion joint on the highway. It would have taken way more than 7 seconds to put a tarp on that load before setting out, and besides who cares if a couple of dozen cars lose windshields and paint flakes? The driver has better things to do, including talking on the CB about the nifty seat covers in that Porsche and looking at the Hustler magazine he bought back at the truck stop.



Driver #3 is closing the gap very slowly, he has the cruise control in his Hyundai set at 67 mph and is passing at a relative velocity of only 2 mph. He drifts over into the passing lane and passes Ellis with glacial slowness, requiring more than a full minute (68 seconds) to pass. He never considers accelerating or clicking off the cruise control, after all he is exceeding the speed limit, he really IS passing, and he is so intent on the plot of his Tom Clancy audiobook that he never sees people stacking up in the left lane behind him, screaming and gesturing about the 68 second-long temporary frustration of their own driving agendas.



Each of the drivers passing Ellis is intent on their own agenda, baffled and hurt that the rest of the drivers on the highway aren't able to sense their God-given right to drive their own particular way. "Speed limits are for dopes", they rationalize, "Everybody should be able to drive the speed they want to, as long as it's the speed I happen to agree with. "



Ultimately, there are two choices for drivers on America's highways - obey the law, or get used to the frustration of dealing with all those inconsiderate drivers out there who don't break the law exactly the same way as you .



See, that's the big problem with every man for himself - there's one heck of a lot of men out there. "Selfish cruise" is in the eye of the be-speeder :-laf :-laf :D
 
I drive an 18 wheeler. Used to be on the interstate there were these signs that were posted outside of every town of any size. THRU TRAFFIC MERGE LEFT. Now mostly every little town with an exit says ALL TRUCKS USE RIGHT LANE. So the locals that want to get on the interstate and drive 15mph over the limit so they can get off at the next exit ahead of everyone else and get home before Oprah comes on have to dodge in and out of 80,000 lb trucks that are restricted to the right lane thru town. I see no COMMON SENSE in this arrangement.

Like the guy said above, it has been changing since the '50's. Cops don't enforce the "GOOD CITIZEN" rules any more. And because they don't enforce them WE don't think they matter. Change lanes without a signal, no one even looks. Pass on a double yellow line? No one even looks. 10mph over the speed limit? No one even looks. "I spent $50,000 on this Hummer,I'll drive it the way I want" That is the attitude we have now in America.

I don't think there is any truck driver out here in America that should be making less than $100K per year for the laws we are supposed to know and the increasing ignorance of the American public on the highways. BUT HEY!

Anyone can buy a 1 ton PU and '38' 5th wheel or a '70 motor coach and drive it on the roads and you don't even have to have a CDL!!

OKAY I shut up now and stop the rant. My . 02.

PS. Take a picture of every cop you see driving down the road talking on HIS cell phone and send it to his shift commander! Oo.
 
Andersonville said:
I drive an 18 wheeler. Used to be on the interstate there were these signs that were posted outside of every town of any size. THRU TRAFFIC MERGE LEFT. Now mostly every little town with an exit says ALL TRUCKS USE RIGHT LANE. So the locals that want to get on the interstate and drive 15mph over the limit so they can get off at the next exit ahead of everyone else and get home before Oprah comes on have to dodge in and out of 80,000 lb trucks that are restricted to the right lane thru town. I see no COMMON SENSE in this arrangement.

Like the guy said above, it has been changing since the '50's. Cops don't enforce the "GOOD CITIZEN" rules any more. And because they don't enforce them WE don't think they matter. Change lanes without a signal, no one even looks. Pass on a double yellow line? No one even looks. 10mph over the speed limit? No one even looks. "I spent $50,000 on this Hummer,I'll drive it the way I want" That is the attitude we have now in America.

I don't think there is any truck driver out here in America that should be making less than $100K per year for the laws we are supposed to know and the increasing ignorance of the American public on the highways. BUT HEY!

Anyone can buy a 1 ton PU and '38' 5th wheel or a '70 motor coach and drive it on the roads and you don't even have to have a CDL!!

OKAY I shut up now and stop the rant. My . 02.

PS. Take a picture of every cop you see driving down the road talking on HIS cell phone and send it to his shift commander! Oo.

Right on brother !!!!!
 
Just my opinion, by I agree with the "left lane lazy" comment earlier. It's one thing to pass another vehicle while your closing speed is only 1 or 2 mph when there is no traffic, and your in the middle of nowhere. Completely different story when your driving in heavy traffic. If you can't get around someone in a reasonable amount of time, your only going to **** off the people that are now backing up behind you, make them drive more aggressivley, and increase the potential for an accident. How much of a difference is it going to make for you to slow down 2 mph and stay behind the guy in front of you, especially when the flow of traffic is 10 mph or more faster than you are able to go?
 
Wayne,



Sorry to misunderstand what drivers you were talking about. Yes I have seen some car drivers do that where they don't get out of the way and some I have seen going like 10 mph under the limit and blocking traffic... Good Name for them...



Mike,



Altough I agree with most of your statement and senario. ... . Thinking that truckers only think about seing seat covers and talking on the CB ... . Which I don't have in mine... We LOOK OUT FOR YOU!! all the time... don't think we are a buch of yahoos... A trucker is the THE most attentive driver out there. Sure there are some bad apples out there but don't spoil the lot.



I drive Truck for a living ... Every week I drive 3440 miles in 5 days... in the northwest no less where, when I climb hills, I am down to 25-30 mph..... I drive tripples which is 105' long and upwards of 105,000 #.



I agree the "me first" attitude is going all across the nation, People will pass at 80 just to cut in front and hit the brakes to get off the exit 50 yards ahead... Sadly I have seen some other self important truckers do this...



All this agressive driving will catch up with them someday and add the statistics.



... ... ... A Public service Announcment... ...



There is a thing going aroung called "Don't hang out in the "No Zone" "



http://www.sharetheroadsafely.org/noZone/noZone.asp







. The graphic shows where we can't see your vehicle and you disappear. Please pass the message along to anyone you know or care about to keep them safe and to know the capabilities of a truck.
 
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No slam at truckers was intended gentlemen, I just picked one of the millions of passing scenarios that I have seen play out.



How much of a difference is it going to make for you to slow down 2 mph and stay behind the guy in front of you, especially when the flow of traffic is 10 mph or more faster than you are able to go?



This is of course a valid question, the answer being "it doesn't make much difference". On the other hand, if the 2-mph-over guy is capable of choking back his "I wanna" and dawdling behind the slow-lane folks for a few minutes, why shouldn't the 10-mph-over crowd be capable of easing off the throttle until 2-mph-over guy finishes passing? 2-mph-over guy isn't psychic, he is driving only one vehicle at a time and more than likely doesn't care a flip about 10-mph-over guy's urge to drive faster. Why should he? It's "every man for himself", right?



My son and I just got back from a Scout camping trip up in Oklahoma last week. The scoutmaster led the convoy from Ft. Worth up to Talahina, and he consistently broke the limit. I was left behind many a time, but with the vagaries of traffic I caught up and they didn't beat me to Talihina by more than a few minutes even with me following the limit. With my camper on, I'm not going to drive like an aggressive knucklehead, I take my time and drive defensively. Works like a charm.



Two days later, one of the dads drove up from Ft. Worth to meet us. He made the trip "in about 3 hours" he said, driving 85+ mph the entire way. Not far from Talihina, he encountered a sharp turn (25 mph posted as I recall) at about 80 mph and rolled his truck, totaled it but walked away without a scratch. Cost him a lot of money, a lot of time and aggravation, and provided a great object lesson for the Scouts on the risks of speeding.



On that trip, and our longer trip back (came home through Arkansas), I saw a LOT of knuckleheads driving aggressively and speeding with heavy trailers and RVs. "Don't worry hon, I can do this safely 'cuz I watch NASCAR!" :rolleyes:



We currently have 300 million Americans, probably 55 or 60 million driving. The day will come when we have a billion drivers on the highways of the nation, if oil holds out. Logically, the system will NOT be able to function with the "every man for himself" rule, there will be too many hiccups from a million drivers interfering with the smooth flow of traffic. The inevitable result will be an automated, governed vehicle system that forces everybody to drive the same speed. All for the simple reason that grown men and women are incapable of suppressing their ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME long enough to drive cooperatively.
 
Mike Ellis said:
The day will come when we have a billion drivers on the highways of the nation, if oil holds out. Logically, the system will NOT be able to function with the "every man for himself" rule, there will be too many hiccups from a million drivers interfering with the smooth flow of traffic. The inevitable result will be an automated, governed vehicle system that forces everybody to drive the same speed. All for the simple reason that grown men and women are incapable of suppressing their ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME long enough to drive cooperatively.



the technology already exist. Just transmit data from local antennas mounted near the ride side that broadcast the max speed in the vehicles, which is received and enforced by the ECM. With GPS it would be even cheeper, they could transmit from cell towers the max speed for all the local roads and the GPS decides which road the vehicle is on.



For areas without Cell coverage (all rural) just transmit default date from a satellite (35 back road, 65 highway)

You could even enforce laws like towing 55 / cars 65. In bad weather they could automatically turn back speed limits, they could slow you down in the event of an accident, road work, etc.



In the event of the USA going broke feeding the mid east pocket books (read current fuel prices) they could shut everybody down to 55 mph to lower our fuel consumption 10%.





Of course all those areas that live on speed trap income would be out of luck. but the bombers will be coming out with "speed telemetry bombs"
 
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