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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Tired of the Ford's kicking my butt (long sorry)
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OK, let me sing the praises of the EZ and DD2 combo for the HO trucks. I just moved to WY (yehaw), and towed our car and trailer all the way out. Granted, the whole load was only about 5K, but it hinted at the towing performance.
ON steep hills in TN, I never got over 900° post turbo, even accelerating from 60 to 85 or so to dust a Powerstroke.
ONce we hit WY, we were up at 6000 feet, and had no EGT issues, even uphill. Never once did I need to downshift to fifth, though that would easily cure high EGT if I were towing max weight.
The best part of the EZ+DD2 combo is that you don't need a bunch of other mods. I have stock exhaust and stock intake!! I also have a stock clutch-- which is commendably holding 330+rwhp, even though I drag raced up hills with 5K behind me in 6th!! No doubt the stock clutch won't last forever, but it's good so far.
So this combo is IMHO the ideal real-world bombination for sportiness and towing. NO EGT probs, no HUGE cash outlay for other mods.
The EZ and 2s is all the fuel you can burn in the real world without turbo mods. Even when I peaked out at 32 psi, I was still leaving the slightest trail of smoke-- thus, I need more boost to efficiently burn that much fuel.
Now that I am up in the thin air, I can smoke easier (not good), and the truck needs a wee bit more cooldown time. But the 2's are easy to drive smokelessly even up here.
This is a great stopping point. In order to go farther into BOMBland, I would have to do clutch, intake, exhaust, turbo, and then finally, a wire-tap box.
My first ~120HP cost me just over a grand. Then next 100 hp or so would cost CONSIDERABLY more.
Drive a truck with this combo. TOW with this combo. . You, too, will become a believer.....
HOHN
OK, let me sing the praises of the EZ and DD2 combo for the HO trucks. I just moved to WY (yehaw), and towed our car and trailer all the way out. Granted, the whole load was only about 5K, but it hinted at the towing performance.
ON steep hills in TN, I never got over 900° post turbo, even accelerating from 60 to 85 or so to dust a Powerstroke.
ONce we hit WY, we were up at 6000 feet, and had no EGT issues, even uphill. Never once did I need to downshift to fifth, though that would easily cure high EGT if I were towing max weight.
The best part of the EZ+DD2 combo is that you don't need a bunch of other mods. I have stock exhaust and stock intake!! I also have a stock clutch-- which is commendably holding 330+rwhp, even though I drag raced up hills with 5K behind me in 6th!! No doubt the stock clutch won't last forever, but it's good so far.
So this combo is IMHO the ideal real-world bombination for sportiness and towing. NO EGT probs, no HUGE cash outlay for other mods.
The EZ and 2s is all the fuel you can burn in the real world without turbo mods. Even when I peaked out at 32 psi, I was still leaving the slightest trail of smoke-- thus, I need more boost to efficiently burn that much fuel.
Now that I am up in the thin air, I can smoke easier (not good), and the truck needs a wee bit more cooldown time. But the 2's are easy to drive smokelessly even up here.
This is a great stopping point. In order to go farther into BOMBland, I would have to do clutch, intake, exhaust, turbo, and then finally, a wire-tap box.
My first ~120HP cost me just over a grand. Then next 100 hp or so would cost CONSIDERABLY more.
Drive a truck with this combo. TOW with this combo. . You, too, will become a believer.....
HOHN
I am definatly going to do the EZ
But I just put on the FP guage and am only seeing 9-11 psi at idle. So either my filter is dirty... or...
So before I do the Box I am going to make sure the engine is up to snuff all the way around.
I don't know about injectors as I am doing all the work myself, at least BOMM wise... I know I can do it but I am a worrier!
Thanks for the positive response.
Ira
But I just put on the FP guage and am only seeing 9-11 psi at idle. So either my filter is dirty... or...
So before I do the Box I am going to make sure the engine is up to snuff all the way around.
I don't know about injectors as I am doing all the work myself, at least BOMM wise... I know I can do it but I am a worrier!
Thanks for the positive response.
Ira
Golley there are a lot of post to this question. I am a fellow SoCal Dodge owner. I pass all the Fords and Chevys on the Grapevine without exception. With 5th gear and cruise or 4th and cruise it doesn't matter. I am not a speed freak. I only do 60 with my 5th wheeler and I still am first on race day to Cajon, Tejon or any other Pass om Socal. I have a boost fooler with Stage III injectors with a 875 CFM air filter. I don't have any problems with power. At the rear wheels I make 285 HP and 617 PSI at 30 PSI boost amd 3000 RPM. Neither Ford nor Chevy can pull like I can. I generally weigh in at 12250 pounds which is lighter than you but a comperable Powerless Stroke of DinoMax should just melt away in your mirrors. I generally pull grapevine at 20 PSI boost and 1100 degrees in 5th. 900 degrees in 4th with about 18 psi boost.
Well, Just ordered my EZ and exhaust. 
AKoperdak, to be fair you do have injectors and a boost fooler, and an 01. One thing from your post I noticed is you run up to 3000 rpm. I was under the impression that 2500 rpm and above should not be maintained for long? Am I wrong? I have since noticed the peak HP is rated at 2700 rpm... So I have been driving the 24V all wrong?
To be fair to myself, I have never compared myself to my one buddy who has a full banks kit on his Ford. I know he is putting out more power than me. Same as I would if I did a similar kit... ie EZ!
What really got this thread going was a brand spanking new 03 Ford totaly stock walking away from me up a grade in the Sierras. They were towing a Bronco with a bigger camper on. I know they are pushing more power than me as the newer trucks all have higher HP/Torque but I did not think it was THAT much more.
From what I have read I can't wait to get the EZ box on. Thanks for all the input.
Ira
AKoperdak, to be fair you do have injectors and a boost fooler, and an 01. One thing from your post I noticed is you run up to 3000 rpm. I was under the impression that 2500 rpm and above should not be maintained for long? Am I wrong? I have since noticed the peak HP is rated at 2700 rpm... So I have been driving the 24V all wrong?
To be fair to myself, I have never compared myself to my one buddy who has a full banks kit on his Ford. I know he is putting out more power than me. Same as I would if I did a similar kit... ie EZ!
What really got this thread going was a brand spanking new 03 Ford totaly stock walking away from me up a grade in the Sierras. They were towing a Bronco with a bigger camper on. I know they are pushing more power than me as the newer trucks all have higher HP/Torque but I did not think it was THAT much more.
From what I have read I can't wait to get the EZ box on. Thanks for all the input.
Ira
I'm telling you, you won't believe the differance. With an EZ or DD-TTPM with DD-II's, I don't think there is a stock anything that will catch you. Even if they were able to, you will go around them so fast, they couldn't catch up. It sounds like BS but with 17k GCW, I can run 80mph most anywhere, I just don't like to push it that hard... except when I want to spank a Phord or a Dura-looser
IRA,
I ran 3000 RPM as I did not know how my engine was going to dyno. The higher RPMs help keep the EGTs down. I suspect that Ford was modified. The new Ford 6. 0 is supposed to be a very meaty engine indeed. More so than ours are.
R,
Andy
I ran 3000 RPM as I did not know how my engine was going to dyno. The higher RPMs help keep the EGTs down. I suspect that Ford was modified. The new Ford 6. 0 is supposed to be a very meaty engine indeed. More so than ours are.
R,
Andy
With all due respect, I would hope that a fueling/timing box AND injectors would enable almost *any* Cummins powered truck to outrun *any* stock diesel truck 
With that said, IWeiny, if I were you, I'd put that EZ on and see what happens. They really do wake these trucks up. I have a COMP and really only use the lower settings (1 mainly, which is equivalent to an EZ) for most of my driving. I find that I can easily keep up with anything on the road except vehicles with semi-serious sporting intentions, like Mustangs and Camaros of the V8 flavor. Not many of them mess with me though, they must realize I'm no competition, if they give it any thought at all.
If the EZ doesn't live up to your expectations, make the recommended call to the transmission company you used to make sure it can handle more power, then add the DDII's. As mentioned, just keep an eye on the EGT's when towing uphill in top gear, foot to the floor.
'Course, those Powerstroke owners have a few tricks available to them as well, so build the truck the way you want it and enjoy the heck out of it!
Duane
With that said, IWeiny, if I were you, I'd put that EZ on and see what happens. They really do wake these trucks up. I have a COMP and really only use the lower settings (1 mainly, which is equivalent to an EZ) for most of my driving. I find that I can easily keep up with anything on the road except vehicles with semi-serious sporting intentions, like Mustangs and Camaros of the V8 flavor. Not many of them mess with me though, they must realize I'm no competition, if they give it any thought at all.
If the EZ doesn't live up to your expectations, make the recommended call to the transmission company you used to make sure it can handle more power, then add the DDII's. As mentioned, just keep an eye on the EGT's when towing uphill in top gear, foot to the floor.
'Course, those Powerstroke owners have a few tricks available to them as well, so build the truck the way you want it and enjoy the heck out of it!
Duane
More so than ours are?? Hmm. . I have heard the opposite in almost all cases.
the 6. 0 is NOT a beefy engine-- it is svelte. It is designed to rev, and as such, has lightweight internal componentry. Beef and lightweight don't go well together. For the STOCK applications that it was designed for, I am sure that the 6. 0 is MORE than adequate. But when you turn up the power, the story changes significantly.
The list of heavy duty Cummins features goes on a long way (integral oil cooler, oil jet piston cooling, strong con rods, etc. ).
I am confident that the 6. 0 will be a good engine in due time. But as far as raw beef, stating that it surpasses the Cummins in "beefiness" SERIOUSLY challenges your credibility.
**this is just my blowhard opinion, so feel free to opine otherwise**
HOHN
After reading the "beef" comment, I couldn't get the old lady from the old Wendy's commercial out of my head, WHERE'S THE BEEF?
But I wasn't going to say anything.
But I wasn't going to say anything.
Hohn,
When writing what I did, I was only referencing the HP and Torque of a completely stock Ford 6. 0 and the same for Cummins.
My 01' certainly doesn't make the 555 lb ft of torque that the 6. 0 does.
I am not selling the QUALITY of our Cummins short. I think it is a superior engine from an engineering stance. I agree wholeheartedly that our engines can/will take more punishment or more miles.
Hopefully not many readers of my post will think I was doubting our engines. As for Clara Peller- Don't know if she ever found the beef.
As for questioning my "Credibility" I do that everyday and hopefully the TDR "Scientists" will teach me a thing or two.
When writing what I did, I was only referencing the HP and Torque of a completely stock Ford 6. 0 and the same for Cummins.
My 01' certainly doesn't make the 555 lb ft of torque that the 6. 0 does.
I am not selling the QUALITY of our Cummins short. I think it is a superior engine from an engineering stance. I agree wholeheartedly that our engines can/will take more punishment or more miles.
Hopefully not many readers of my post will think I was doubting our engines. As for Clara Peller- Don't know if she ever found the beef.
As for questioning my "Credibility" I do that everyday and hopefully the TDR "Scientists" will teach me a thing or two.
In stock trim my ETC truck put 454FP down. ONE performance mod bumped that to 799. More to come.
At what RPM is that 555 coming on? I don't care if they make 655 stock. I've seen the BOMBing headaches PSD guys go through and I don't like the buzzy v8 sound.
"BEEFY" was just a poor choice of words. How about "jerky" :-laf
At what RPM is that 555 coming on? I don't care if they make 655 stock. I've seen the BOMBing headaches PSD guys go through and I don't like the buzzy v8 sound.
"BEEFY" was just a poor choice of words. How about "jerky" :-laf
I apologize for my density
I don't usually think of power as an engine's "beef". To each his own I guess.
As for stock numbers, most 6. 0s on the dyno fall WAY short of what Ford claims it will put out. I mean, they claim like 320, and the highest stock 6. 0 dyno I have heard of is like 278-- some go as low as 240ish.
Could be a repeat of the Mustang Cobra scenario. A few years back (1997?) Ford was pushing Cobras out that door that would be crushed by a bone stock GT. Turns out the 275+ they claimed was more like 220. They had a TSB come out to hot rod the engine so it would make the stock claimed number. Actually, it was more like fix some little defect. Regardless, Ford is not to be trusted on the numbers they claim.
There's no denying that a bone stock 6. 0 sure will accelerate though. But so will a really souped up Honda Civic-- would you think that this acceleration means it will tow well???
HOHN
I don't usually think of power as an engine's "beef". To each his own I guess.
As for stock numbers, most 6. 0s on the dyno fall WAY short of what Ford claims it will put out. I mean, they claim like 320, and the highest stock 6. 0 dyno I have heard of is like 278-- some go as low as 240ish.
Could be a repeat of the Mustang Cobra scenario. A few years back (1997?) Ford was pushing Cobras out that door that would be crushed by a bone stock GT. Turns out the 275+ they claimed was more like 220. They had a TSB come out to hot rod the engine so it would make the stock claimed number. Actually, it was more like fix some little defect. Regardless, Ford is not to be trusted on the numbers they claim.
There's no denying that a bone stock 6. 0 sure will accelerate though. But so will a really souped up Honda Civic-- would you think that this acceleration means it will tow well???
HOHN
Cummins connecting rods--now that's BEEFY!
fordcummins.com
scroll down to rod comparison--if'n you hain't already seen it. Oo.
fordcummins.com
scroll down to rod comparison--if'n you hain't already seen it. Oo.
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