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Tried one 6 yrs ago.



Did not fit as applied





If you really think about it, centrifugal force throws the fuel outward in a swirl flow. How will washing the walls with fuel help it to be homogeniously mixed with air?



Just my opinion based on experience.
 
I ordered one about 6 years ago. I got the one the fits into the intake horn, where the rubber boot goes on. I didn't notice a difference.



If you want to experiment with one, I'll send you mine to test mileage ect.



Let me know. :)
 
hmmm... . interesting, but this particular device goes on the intake, I assume from the drawings, after the aircleaner, and before the turbo... ????
 
Here is how I used it. Slipped it in the intake horn (12 valve) then put the rubber boot back on. Its a snug fit.
 
Tornado Don't Work!

Well guys...



I bought one for my wife's '96 5. 9L gasser Ram. Only difference was my wallet was $60 lighter. The reason the call it tornado is how it lifts the money right out of your wallet.



Wiredawg
 
sounds like one of those cell phone enhancers...

I would think you want a SMOOTH airflow into the manifold and cylinders. But then again, I'm not an engineer, so what do I know? Sounds like magic snake oil to me, like those cell phone signal booster stickers they sell for $20.



Caveat emptor!
 
Good thing I didnt pay for it, but the wifes Passat VR6 has one in it. Still there. Helped the hiway only mileage about 1-2 mpg, measured on long trips. City mileage, performance, etc. no Diff.
 
Hemi,



The tornado would not work on the intake manifold area. The air is moving so fast and since the engine is direct injected and the shape of the runners on the intake side is built with lots of swirl already. You found this out already I see.

One thing I do know is that air shaping is a good thing for the turbo inlet. Dont laugh too hard. The tornado is too small and the angle appears to steep, but something like that can help to spool the turbo faster and direct air flow better.

Just an idea to spark some garage tinkering. Joe found 4-6 hP with the AFE mega Cannon air filter set-up. He feels the AFE with its air shaping cone in the front of the filter was the reason or part of it.





Don~
 
pre-turbo?

Again, I'm not an engineer, so.....



A turbo is similar in some ways to a jet engine, right? If you induce disturbed airflow to a jet engine's compressor stage (basically what our turbos do as I understand it - compress the air to make it more dense in the combustion chamber), you'll get a compressor stall as the blades cavitate where the airflow isn't smooth. Generally, if we've induced the stall, or chug as we call them, it's no big deal because we know what caused it and we don't do that maneuver again. If it's something we're supposed to be able to do, then there's a problem and the plane's grounded until maintenance can figure out what's causing the chugs.



Now, if you were to install a vortex generator in the engine intake, I'm thinking you'd get constant chugging - not a good thing.



Chugs are bad because they cause high EGTs, can cause the turbines to overspeed and can cause vibration/stress damage to the compressor blades, ultimately leading to engine failure and possibly a fire. Again, bad.



So, putting some type of vortex generator pre-turbo MIGHT make the air flow around corners better (I'm very skeptical here) but it would be disturbed airflow when it hit the turbo blades and cause irregular performance of the turbo. Smooth airflow, on the other hand may have some parasitic drag from the intake pathway, but overall, the smooth flow into the turbo will provide more performance than the disturbed flow.



Of course, I could be totally out to lunch. Wouldn't be the first time. In either case, I'm spending my $60 on bicycle bombs, not this gaget.
 
joel wrote: "Of course, I could be totally out to lunch. Wouldn't be the first time. In either case, I'm spending my $60 on bicycle bombs, not this gaget"



No kidding on that above.



The data I gave also included a test without an air cleaner on the turbo at all. The HP was even lower on that run with nothing in the way. Just plain old air. The AFE with the shaped cone at the front made more than no filter at all. I was thinking the air shaping was the reason behind it. Other filters that flow the same amount of air were showing less HP over the AFE with the shaped front. 4 hp is not much, but if you are chasing more power every bit helps.



I do understand the compressor stall you mentioned as well.



Don~
 
Just a side note - I did my mechanical engineering co-op at Garrett Turbochargers in Lomita, CA. That facility had at one time the largest engine dyno lab west of the Mississippi. The crusty old engineers & lab techs said they couldn't repeatedly measure a 5hp 'improvement' on a 250hp engine on the dynos. Remember, this is a lab that does development testing for CAT, DDC, etc - not some aftermarket shop. Makes me kinda wonder about the tornado and 5 hp improvements on chassis dyno's.



Brian
 
Originally posted by NVR FNSH

Just a side note - I did my mechanical engineering co-op at Garrett Turbochargers in Lomita, CA. That facility had at one time the largest engine dyno lab west of the Mississippi. The crusty old engineers & lab techs said they couldn't repeatedly measure a 5hp 'improvement' on a 250hp engine on the dynos. Remember, this is a lab that does development testing for CAT, DDC, etc - not some aftermarket shop. Makes me kinda wonder about the tornado and 5 hp improvements on chassis dyno's.



Brian



Yeah, it makes me wonder as well.

The data I reported was repeatable over and over to help with the wondering part. :D



it could be changed and done again with the same results.



Don~
 
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