Towing with 3500 srw cc 4x4 long box 3.42

[Trowel2013]

In 2013, three variants of the Cummins were introduced. When equipped with the G56 manual, engines are rated at 350 hp and 660 lb-ft. Backed by the 68RFE automatic transmission, output was bumped to 370 hp and 800 lb-ft. A high output 385 hp, 850 lb-ft version was also introduced, mated to a medium duty Aisin 6 speed automatic transmission. Was the last one the MY version? SNOKING

M-odel Y-ear. Yes, I'm aware of the three versions of tuning on the Cummins governed by what transmission it's mated to. I am also aware that the '13 3500 got the new frame design (2500 didn't get updated until '14). I am asking what is the difference between a 2013 and a 2013.5.

 

[Trowel2013]

We set up the 2015 3500 SRW Aisin build order with 3:73s' with the new option code DME. The system accepted the gear option.

Later, we decided to cancel the DME option and let it default to the standard 3:42 gears.

On the other Cummins site someone ordered a SRW with the 3.73 as you did. Order was accepted, but about a week and a half later he was notified the order had been kicked back giving him only two options, 1 was to select 3.42 and the other was select DRW if he wanted 3.73.

 

[HorseMan-AR]

Hey Trowel2013 - I know the forum you're talking about. Good to see you here. Guys: Am I missing something...I think the ONLY SRW gearing option with a CTD is 3.42?

On the other Cummins site someone ordered a SRW with the 3.73 as you did. Order was accepted, but about a week and a half later he was notified the order had been kicked back giving him only two options, 1 was to select 3.42 and the other was select DRW if he wanted 3.73.

 

[Apache]

Hey Trowel2013 - I know the forum you're talking about. Good to see you here. Guys: Am I missing something...I think the ONLY SRW gearing option with a CTD is 3.42?

I was surprised too when the system accepted the 3:73s' (DME). My understanding was the SRW trucks couldn't be ordered with 3:73s.

You guys may be right the dealer order system might kick it back later. Next time I'm at the dealer I'll ask if they have any 2015 SRW 3:73 orders in the pipeline.

 

[SnoKing]

Dodge sure needs to hire some better web site techs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jim W]

What designates a 2013.5? As far as I'm aware Ram didn't make any changes mid year of the 2013 MY.

What happen was the frame and suspension was changed on the 3500HD truck and the HP and TQ ratings were also increased. This is also when the AISIN transmission was introduced with the higher HP and TQ numbers. The 2500HD trucks continue to have the order style frame and suspension with reduced HP and TQ in that model year. The improved trucks for the 3500HD were starting to be sold around Jan of 2013 year hence the 2013.5 reference.

Jim W.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Cummins and Ram ran out the old emissions system past the usual changeover time of July 2012, all the way to the end of December 2012 since that package was EPA legal to then. The 2013 model was then run from Jan 2013 through July 2013, with orders shut off about July 1, 2013. In some literature, Cummins called it a 2013.5 engine since the model year started half way through, and the engine/emissions package was new as of January 2013.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

What the heck is DME?

 

[Trowel2013]

What happen was the frame and suspension was changed on the 3500HD truck and the HP and TQ ratings were also increased. This is also when the AISIN transmission was introduced with the higher HP and TQ numbers. The 2500HD trucks continue to have the order style frame and suspension with reduced HP and TQ in that model year. The improved trucks for the 3500HD were starting to be sold around Jan of 2013 year hence the 2013.5 reference.

Jim W.

Ok. Mine was built Jan. 2013. My truck doesn't have reduced HP and TQ, I consider it to be standard. The G56 trucks are de-tuned. The only trucks to have the HO is the Aisin equipped trucks and that is still true for the newest MY.

I didn't know that the '13s were only made from Jan. to July, hence the .5 that you speak of.

 

[Kirwin]

What the heck is DME?

Ordering code for 3.73 rear axle ratio.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Ordering code for 3.73 rear axle ratio.

Thanks. I just tried building a SRW W/ 3:73 and 4:10's on Ram builder. No dice; just like before.

 

[HorseMan-AR]

I would like some advise from those who pull a 5er around 14k. And have a 3500 srw with 3.42. Like some feed back on how the truck pulls that load and stability. And does the 3.42 do alot of gear hunting pulling up 4 to 6 percent grades. Would you be happier with a drw.

Just bumping this up. Interested in more comments. OP - did you decide or are you still thinking about it?

 

[jlb27537]

I am going to chime in here. I have been retired for close to 20 years. A old guy. The tow ratings mean nothing when you are talking about 5th's. A 2500 with a 3.42 and it can tow a 17K 5th. OK...... My '12 DRW has a 3.73 and I can run in 6th all day @ 65mpg/1650rpm's, There is no way I would want a 3.42 to tow with, unless it was a bass boat.

A normal 5th loaded properly will have 20-25% of it's total weight on the pin. A 17K 5th @ 20% is 3,400lbs on the pin. Figure fuel, (in my case 96 gal @ 7lb 672 lbs of full fuel) 150-200lb hitch, 2 folks 400lbs, plus tools/stuff and you will probably find you are over gross on either the rear axle GAWR or the truck GVWR.

A 2500/3500 truck will weigh close to 7500/8000lbs. Add folks, fuel, hitch, yes it will pull it, but should you ever be scaled, ????? I am 12,200+ loaded.

I am about 66.5' long, all axles are within the weight limits. Going across Kansas in 100 degree temps and your SRW truck is @ 100% of tire loading, Nope, not for me. I only have to run 55-60psi in the rear duals to carry the weight.

 

[NC Hauler]

M-odel Y-ear. Yes, I'm aware of the three versions of tuning on the Cummins governed by what transmission it's mated to. I am also aware that the '13 3500 got the new frame design (2500 didn't get updated until '14). I am asking what is the difference between a 2013 and a 2013.5.

The 13' trucks came out a little later than normal...I ordered mine on Dec. 5th, 2012 and didn't get it until May 9th. 2014....Was designated as a 2013.5 due to the time of year it came out...From what Chrysler rep told me, (met one at my dealership), all 13's that came out in 2013 were "designated" as 2013.5's whether it stated such on the window sticker or not, again, due to lateness that most were shipped from the factory to the dealerships....Again, that is what I was told by Chrysler. No difference in a truck manufactured 4/14 through re-tool..

 

[NC Hauler]

Hey Trowel2013 - I know the forum you're talking about. Good to see you here. Guys: Am I missing something...I think the ONLY SRW gearing option with a CTD is 3.42?

Only option for the 3500 SRW is 3:42, be it with the Aisin or the 68RFE...yep, got some buddies on here from "the other forum"...

 

[NC Hauler]

What happen was the frame and suspension was changed on the 3500HD truck and the HP and TQ ratings were also increased. This is also when the AISIN transmission was introduced with the higher HP and TQ numbers. The 2500HD trucks continue to have the order style frame and suspension with reduced HP and TQ in that model year. The improved trucks for the 3500HD were starting to be sold around Jan of 2013 year hence the 2013.5 reference.

Jim W.

The 2013 and designation of 2013.5 are one and the same truck. The 3500 DRW and 3500 SRW got the new frame and came with either the Aisin, the 68RFE or the G56....Then in 14' the 2500 got the new frame..Again, as far as "difference's" between a 2013 and a 2013.5 or even a 2014...3500, there is/was no difference....As stated by Chrysler Rep, due to time most of these trucks hit the lot's, they were "designated" as a 13.5'......All 2013 3500 DRW and 3500 SRW are the same (ie exception of transmission and gearing as offered in 13' as well as 14')...

 

[NC Hauler]

Cummins and Ram ran out the old emissions system past the usual changeover time of July 2012, all the way to the end of December 2012 since that package was EPA legal to then. The 2013 model was then run from Jan 2013 through July 2013, with orders shut off about July 1, 2013. In some literature, Cummins called it a 2013.5 engine since the model year started half way through, and the engine/emissions package was new as of January 2013.

Sorry, didn't see your post, but you are pretty much correct from the way I understood it.

 

[Ram4Sam]

The 13' trucks came out a little later than normal...I ordered mine on Dec. 5th, 2012 and didn't get it until May 9th. 2014....Was designated as a 2013.5 due to the time of year it came out...From what Chrysler rep told me, (met one at my dealership), all 13's that came out in 2013 were "designated" as 2013.5's whether it stated such on the window sticker or not, again, due to lateness that most were shipped from the factory to the dealerships....Again, that is what I was told by Chrysler. No difference in a truck manufactured 4/14 through re-tool..

".I ordered mine on Dec. 5th, 2012 and didn't get it until May 9th. 2014.." Wow...waited almost 18 months?....:-laf

Sam

 

[NC Hauler]

".I ordered mine on Dec. 5th, 2012 and didn't get it until May 9th. 2014.." Wow...waited almost 18 months?....:-laf

Sam

Messed that one up completely didn't I, ...Was multi-tasking when I posted and I guess "Old Timers" kicked in...I ordered the truck Dec. 5th 2012 and it arrived at my dealership on May 9th, 2013....(In fact, I gave up on it and had already purchased a 12')......Long story....

sorry bout that

Jim

 

[Wingate]

I would like some advise from those who pull a 5er around 14k. And have a 3500 srw with 3.42. Like some feed back on how the truck pulls that load and stability. And does the 3.42 do alot of gear hunting pulling up 4 to 6 percent grades. Would you be happier with a drw.

I have a 3:42 equipped Aisin DRW.
Pulls like a stud mule from off-idle all the way past all posted speed limits. I havent experienced any gear hunt, my Jayco 5er is in the 14K range as well. The Aisin really picks the right gear for the situation and seems to let the Cummins torque up and pull the load vs having the old 48re run away from a load and drive thru the converter.
The 3:42 is MORE than adequate for 14K as long as the truck is AISIN equipped.
Like others have said on the DRW vs SRW.. I would never pull the 5er again with a SRW just as a safety factor. I used to and never thought about it until I got to see first hand what happens when towing a 14K 5er down a hot Interstate at 65-70 mph and the rear tire on the tow vehicle had a catastrophic failure. Truck ended up upside down at the bottom of an embankment with the 5er on top of the truck and a person lost their life.
I realize thats an extreme situation, but it happened none the less... having an extra tire back there cant hurt!