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Do any of you who tow with 2 wheel drive dually's have any trouble when/if you get caught in bad weather, say an early snow storm. My step Dad is getting ready to retire and is thinking about getting a bigger travel trailer (27'). He currently has an '02 or '03 (can't remember) Duramax 4 door 4x4 shortbed. Don't think he'd have any trouble with towing with it but I broought it up to him thinking a dually 2 wheel drive would be more stable and do a little better in fuel mileage. He however is conserned about getting caught in a early storm like they did a month ago in Colorado.



What do you all think.
 
My folks had a very similar experience in their 2wd dually several years ago. It took them 5 or 6 hours to go 20 miles. They were in the mountains on a friends ranch on a dirt road towing the horses with the camper on the truck and got stuck in an early fall rainstorm. Overall it took them 13 hours for a trip that normally took them about 2. 5 hours. They were very sorry they purchased the 2wd dually and it was gone shortly after they returned from that trip.



Tell him to get the 4x4. It's there if he needs it. It doesn't cost that much in fuel economy, and the resale value if/when the time comes will be much better. Unless he's willing to stop and sit out a storm or stay really far south I would recommend the 4x4.
 
I live in the Northeast and have an 03 Dually single axle drive. First, I hope the plan is not to try and press on during a snow storm? I haven't had any problems pulling my 24ft tag trailer. I have about 1000 lbs of tongue weight and usually add some more weight in the bed to ensure good traction. I also run 6 good snow tires. The truck is very stable for sure.



Mark :D
 
I imagine he'll just keep the D-max he has and probably won't go out and buy a dually, we were just bs'n and it was brought up about a 2 wheel drive's fuel mileage and how it would do if it got in a situation like an early snow storm. Don't think they'll be out that way but you never know with them. Thanks for the replies and I'll pass it on to him.
 
looking at your weather out there today, I bet he will keep his 4wd. I think they said Kansas city already has 1 foot of snow!



to answer your original question. I just work around the snow. We had a trip 2 years ago where they were calling for snow, so I left a day earler. Around here in the NE even with a foot of snow the roads will be open again tomorrow.
 
I drive a 01. 5 Quad 2500 and pull a 30' RV. I get 14MPG all day long and I think most RAMs have comparable milage. That may be a factor to consider. Also, I think the Cummins has much better long term reliability and, because it is much less complex and widely dispursed, it is easier to get help when the day comes to repair. Now on the other hand the auto transmission - think long and hard.
 
4wd

We have a 96 3500 Dodge dually 2 wheel drive and pull a 38' tripple slide Carriage. We don't travel to where we expect snow but several years ago going from Phoenix, AZ to Florida, we awoke one morning just before the I8-I10 split to a boat load of snow with ice underneath. We traveled about an hour then pulled off for an hour to see if the roads would clear then got back on the road. There were several cars and semis turned over in the area between N & S highways. We traveled for several hours but decided it wasn't worth the risk to us and our home so we pulled off into a campground for a day and a half and waited it out. Now I know we weren't in mountains or on narrow curvy roads but driving on ice in the snow isn't easy and we think our two wheel drive handled great. If I were going to be somewhere where bad weather is common a 4 wheel drive makes sense but to buy one for an ocassional freak snowstorm, I don't think it's worth it.

Diana

PS the ice and snow on the dessert catci were just absolutely beautiful to see so we're "kinda" glad we ran into bad weather.
 
We don't get a whole lot of bad weather around here, but there are occasions you travel to some place and need the 4WD. Last year I went quad riding with some friends. All the main roads were clear and dry. We stayed with a friend of ours that lived just 5-6 miles off of the main highway and the last 2 miles to his house had not thawed in 2 months. I would of never been able to turn the trailer full of quads around at his house with out the 4WD. The majority of the time it is not needed, but I don't know that I will ever own a truck without it.



Simple rule I follow: I would rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.
 
I've got a 98. 5 3500 2wd. If it snows I stay put and enjoy the snow. If he is retired why the heck would he have to be there today?Relax , enjoy that's what you worked for all those years. I did go all the way across Wyoming,from Jackson Hole to Pine Bluffs in the snow once ,but it was not sticking to the roeds.
 
I have horses, hay or tractors or something on my trailer 80% of the time or more. I sold my '99 2x4 dually to buy my current 4x4 dually ... ... ... I was stuck a lot!
 
I love the way my 2wd dually tows and it does get decent MPG, but I would probably go with 4WD if I towed in bad weather or rough, muddy terrain. I've already got stuck in my relatively flat field after a hard rain with my 2wd.
 
srenfro said:
Do any of you who tow with 2 wheel drive dually's have any trouble when/if you get caught in bad weather, say an early snow storm. My step Dad is getting ready to retire and is thinking about getting a bigger travel trailer (27'). He currently has an '02 or '03 (can't remember) Duramax 4 door 4x4 shortbed. Don't think he'd have any trouble with towing with it but I broought it up to him thinking a dually 2 wheel drive would be more stable and do a little better in fuel mileage. He however is conserned about getting caught in a early storm like they did a month ago in Colorado.



What do you all think.

I towed with a 98 4x4 for six years and only used the four wheel drive one time and that was in a muddy RV park. I tow around 28k lbs combined. I live in the mountains and get lots of snow, 2o feet last march, and travel thruout the US and Canada.



Two years ago I purchased a 2004. 5 Quad cab 2x4 Dually and have not needed 4x4 as of yet when towing but I plan my trips, nice thing about retired life.

I got the 2x4 stuck in one inch of snow when not towing. It is terrible in the snow. I have an all wheel drive Toyota that I drive when at home.



I like the improved fuel milage, less purchase price, less maintenance without the transfer case, extra front differential, drive shaft etc. With the 15k fluid change on the differentials the cost is one half on the 2x4. Best of all I love the lower profile with the 2x4 except when I need to get under the truck for maintenance. All in all I like the 2x4 much more.



Bill
 
I've always had 4x4's in the past till I found my current 2wd dually. When towing on highways I have yet to need a 4x4, its nice when empty though. Now when not towing and its snowing like crazy a 4x4 will get you through farther than my 2wd untill I chain up. My next truck will be a 2wd with a good LS diff, I just don't use 4wd enough to deal with the added cost of ownership anymore. I'm not in the North either and I ran 20,000 miles last year. My full time equipped 5th wheel is north of 17K in weight, that sucker puts down some pin weight on the rear duals, great traction device. :-laf



The only time I wish I had a 4x4 is when I'm in the deep mountains on dirt roads and the going gets slick. 99. 9% of my miles are on paved roads... . 2wd makes more sense to me. I'm in the Western NC mountains now, not much snow fall here, it is cold enough for me. Its hitting 15 degrees at night right now, yeterdays high was 36. I'm glad I'm on 50 amp, those oil filled electric heaters are nice. :cool:
 
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2WD dually is the best truck for hauling a heavy load on the road. More pleasant and safer to drive. But it will get stuck on soft ground and snow.



2WD does OK on snowy roads if you've got a lot of weight over the rear axle (most of the big plow/salt trucks on the highway are rear-drive, but they've got tons of weight over the drive axle(s)). And you can always throw on chains and drive like a tank.



See sig however.
 
For us sun belt 5th wheel towers, 2WD is a natural. I've had a 1996 3500 and our current 2002 3500, both 2WD and have never needed 4WD. Neither have ever been stuck, and yes, I lived in Ohio when I bought the 1996. :eek:



If the roads were snowy and icy, my solution is simple. I park the truck and trailer until the roads are cleared.



Rusty
 
I have owned an International 3/4-T 4X4 4. 10 w/standard trans (gas); a Chev 1-T crew-cab dual-rear-wheel auto-trans 4. 10 4X2 (gas), and my current '03 3500 QC LB 3. 73 single-rear-wheel auto trans 4X2. I've driven all of them in snow & ice, and I've towed with all of them; and I haven't noticed any particular difference in stability between the Chev crew-cab 1-T DRW and my Dodge QC LB 1-T SRW.



On Sunday, Nov. 26, 2006 I was caught in an early snow and freezing rain storm in Mt. Vernon, NW Washington, on a trip from so. California to Washington. I was towing my 16' dbl-axle enclosed cargo trailer, with a weight of 6,640 lbs. I had 1,000 lbs of personal effects in the bed of the truck, and had a trailer-tongue weight of 1,200 lbs (I know all this because I weighed the truck in Stockton, CA on my way north). I had two brand-new studded-snow (on rims) tires inside the trailer, and found a Costco tire dept that was open and willing to swap them onto the rear of the truck.



From that point on, the truck could not be stopped! I drove through Anacortes, WA which had about 1' of snow on the roads and about 1/2" of packed snow which had turned to ice. Even the 4X4s (with no weight in the rear, of course) were spinning their wheels to get going. I had NO problems. When I arrived on San Juan Island (our vacation home) I found 10" of snow and packed ice on the roads. I noticed six to ten abandoned cars in ditches; nothing else except 4X4s and cars/trucks that had chained-up and either were front-wheel drive or had put weight in the rear were moving. The only front-wheel drives moving without chains were Hondas. Again, I had NO problems. When I reached a slight incline where I had been stopped and stymied by ice and snow in February of '05, (and in fact had slid sloooowly back down the hill with all four wheels locked until when after about 150 yds I finally came to a stop, still on the roadway) the truck just kept on going!



I spent the next four days driving back-and-forth (without the trailer) from our house to the little town, on ice-covered roads where the snow had been packed down solid and had frozen; for the first two days very few vehicles were moving. I had no problems! In fact, after a couple of experiments, I was able to park in town on ice, with the nose of the truck lower than the back, and still back out (very slowly) without difficulty.



If you're driving on the highway in snow/ice and want the maximum amount of traction in the rear, you'll get more from an SRW than you will from a DRW -- twice the weight on 1/2 the tire surface area -- or more accurately, without being linquistically clever, the same amount of weight on 1/2 the tire surface area.



I know that a 4X2 diesel (with a LOT of weight in the front end) won't go EVERYWHERE with snow tires and/or chains and 1,000 to 2,000 lbs in the rear end, but it will go A LOT MORE places than expected.
 
I always carry 2 sets of traction aids in the winter becaues I got my set stuck UNDER the trailer tires once! That was fun, truck'n trailer stuck and the traction aides are stuck too :{



John
 
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