Towing with a 2017 2500 4x4

[KRSmitty]

Anyone towing a 5th wheel with their 2017 (or newer)? Looking to upgrade from a TT.

 

[SnoKing]

Anyone towing a 5th wheel with their 2017 (or newer)? Looking to upgrade from a TT.

Would have to be a small one. 5th wheel normal have 20%+/- of there rate capacity on the pin, which goes almost right the rear axle, plus you have the weight of a 5th wheel hitch in the bed.

 

[KRSmitty]

True...I am looking at a 29' with a cargo weight of 1,160 pound's. Should be good since mine has a max of around 2,030

 

[SnoKing]

True...I am looking at a 29' with a cargo weight of 1,160 pound's. Should be good since mine has a max of around 2,030

Cargo weight is not Pin/Hitch weight. What is the GVWR of the trailer?

 

[KRSmitty]

UVW - 7,876
Hitch WT. - 1,166
GVWR - 10,995

Payload on truck is 2,380

 

[kthaxton]

I tow a 33' 5th wheel with my 2015 (for towing purposes, 2015 and 2017 would be identical). It is pretty light for its size, per the factory it is just under 9k dry. Loaded up I am between 10k and 12k (12K if I am double towing my RZR, which does not add pin weight)
I've weighed my load, I don't remember the exact numbers but I know I "officially" exceed my payload by 100-200 pounds, but I am well within my axle weight ratings. It does just fine. It doesn't squat much and handles it just fine.

The payload plays into the GVWR and to be considered a "Class 2" truck (2500/3/4 ton), it has to have a max GVWR 10,000 lbs. The payload is the difference between truck's curb weight and 10k. As many have said on this and other forums, 2500's are artificially limited to meet the Class 2 classification. So, if you stay within your axle limits, you're good.

That said, you wouldn't want to go much heavier than mine is....because I am on the cusp.

 

[BarryG]

I towed a trailer similar weight like that with my 01 2500 and had no issues. I know the newer ones are different but as previous poster said as long as you are under axle rating should be fine.
The pin weight listed is empty and probably does not count the propane tank/s, batteries, water or trailer options and certainly not cargo. The 20% of gvwr rule for pin weight someone mentioned previously is good place to start. On my fifth the listed pin weight is 1465 when loaded up it is closer to 2200 without water, though my tank is behind the rear axle so probably does not add much pin weight if any and might even help it some if I did carry a full load of water.

 

[SnoKing]

I tow a 33' 5th wheel with my 2015 (for towing purposes, 2015 and 2017 would be identical). It is pretty light for its size, per the factory it is just under 9k dry. Loaded up I am between 10k and 12k (12K if I am double towing my RZR, which does not add pin weight)
I've weighed my load, I don't remember the exact numbers but I know I "officially" exceed my payload by 100-200 pounds, but I am well within my axle weight ratings. It does just fine. It doesn't squat much and handles it just fine.

The payload plays into the GVWR and to be considered a "Class 2" truck (2500/3/4 ton), it has to have a max GVWR 10,000 lbs. The payload is the difference between truck's curb weight and 10k. As many have said on this and other forums, 2500's are artificially limited to meet the Class 2 classification. So, if you stay within your axle limits, you're good.

That said, you wouldn't want to go much heavier than mine is....because I am on the cusp.

KRSmitty, as kthaxton says you will be over the trucks post payload, and under the Rear GAWR. I towed that way for years with my 2001.5 RAM 2500 which was build like a SRW 3500 but never labeled that way.

BTW, you won't have to worry about lower the rear of that 2500. The pin weight on the 5th wheel will set it down somewhere between 2 and 4".

 

[KRSmitty]

Just to see if I understand...

The GVWR for 5er is 9,995 (According to manufacturer website.)
Pin weight could be up to 20% GVWR (15% according to SAE J2807 standards)

9,995 x 20% = 2,000 This would be closer to actual pin weight?
My payload rating is 2,380, which would only leave me 380 lbs for cargo (hitch weight, fuel, etc)?

 

[SnoKing]

Just to see if I understand...

The GVWR for 5er is 9,995 (According to manufacturer website.)
Pin weight could be up to 20% GVWR (15% according to SAE J2807 standards)

9,995 x 20% = 2,000 This would be closer to actual pin weight?
My payload rating is 2,380, which would only leave me 380 lbs for cargo (hitch weight, fuel, etc)?

You posted 10,995 above. Payload rating includes a 150 pound driver I believe, so everything and person belong that subtracts for payload. Again not going over Rear Axle weight rating is important. And if you are in a state that license tonage, be sure you are licensed for more than your actual weight. My 2001.5 had a 8800 gvwr and was license in Washington state for 12K. I was over the 8800 by 400-500 lbs.

My 2015 Laramie 3500 4x4 SRW SB was 8900 lbs ready to tow for semi full timing with a B&W manual slider hitch. Yours will be somewhere a little over 8K ready to tow. Cat Scales are your friend.

In reality having watched people come and go in my snowbird park for the last 14 years, it is amasing that some combinations somehow arrive in one piece year after year.

 

[AH64ID]

It will tow it like it’s not there. In most states GVWR isn’t something that can be enforced on private vehicles. Just don’t exceed your RAWR.

 

[KRSmitty]

According to to the towing chart I have...my GAWR is 6,000 pounds for the rear. So, keep my weight over the bed under 6,000 pounds?

 

[Ozymandias]

I think you should check your Door label for the RAWR.

 

[NIsaacs]

I think you should check your Door label for the RAWR.

I agree, it should say 6200. The rear axle is capable of way more than that but due to suspension and tire ratings the axle is derated. What are your tire size/ratings, 17's or 18's?

I have the optional 275/70x18's or 3640 lbs each or 7280 total. With my add on air bags I have no problem hauling at that level. I just brought in 14 yds of wet horse manure, about 26-27k on my '21 2500. Your truck will run off and hide with that 10k RV.

 

[kthaxton]

Yes, check your door label, I think the charts I read said 6000 lb for mine too, but my door label says 6500 lb. Not sure why the discrepancy.

 

[KRSmitty]

My door label says 6,500. I have 275-70-18 tires

 

[SnoKing]

My door label says 6,500. I have 275-70-18 tires

Yep 6500 for newer 2500's, 3500 SRWs are 7K.

 

[NIsaacs]

My door label says 6,500. I have 275-70-18 tires

Well now I am mad, Mine says only 6040 rear, 6000 front w/18's....??

 

[SnoKing]

Well now I am mad, Mine says only 6040 rear, 6000 front w/18's....??

Do you have the air suspension?

 

[NIsaacs]

Do you have the air suspension?

No, just the stock coils. My '91 D-250 4x2 is 5450 rear w/235/80 x16D and the '01 2500 is 6084 w/245/75x16E. I got baby trucks