Traction Bars....

[WhiteSheep]

The wheel hop issue has been discussed in several forums. I highly suggest Hellwig traction control bars. These can be purchased from JC Whitney for $80. Here is the link:Hellwig Traction Control



These work great, cost much less that full ladder bars, weigh less and don't reduce your ground clearance.



My RAM had really bad wheel hop, especially in sand unloaded. With the Hellwig traction control bars installed, I can drive through sand in 2x4 where before I needed 4x4.

 

[BBRam]

Glacier Diesesl has them on there site.

 

[JJPage]

After I installed my "Ride Rite" air bags, I have not had one instance of wheel hop. I know that this probably would not do the trick for competition, but for everyday use it is a very reasonable fix, plus the added factor of "height adjustability" for towing.

 

[michaelRitz]

GWBourne, go to rockymountainsusp.com, go under Ladder/Traction Bars and they have a pic, I dont have a digital camera or very much of camera/computer literatacy but I will see what I can do.

 

[GWBourne]

The wheel hop issue... ... My RAM had really bad wheel hop, especially in sand unloaded. With the Hellwig traction control bars installed, I can drive through sand in 2x4 where before I needed 4x4.

for me it isnt wheel hop. like someone said already, wheel hop is gone with the air bags.



its arle wrap with the trailer, and a rear end that likes to wag a bit at high speed lane changes. also i would like to truck to corner a bit better, and ladder bars will tighten up the suspension a bit.



the glacier diesel bars look great, and look NICE and strong, BUT im not sure i like the way they fasten them to the frame. i will have to have a few others put them on and see if there are any problems with the U bolts pinching the frame.



the superlift ones look great, have a friendlier price, and mount to the frame in a better way. BUT, dont offer the shackle design and will hinder axle travel a bit. not a huge deal for a 2wd guy like myself, but for a 4x4 it would be better to have the glacier design.



the next BIG question is will they fit with my airbags... .



as for the helwigs, those will help with axle wrap, SHOULD fit with my airbags, and cost a lot less... BUT over time will stress the leafs in the pack on the back side. i doubt it will matter in the end, but i just dont like the design of them. i know they work, but you also need to keep an eye on them. they need to be checked on once a month or so just to make sure everything is bolted down still. once i get the full wheel tubs on the back, this wont be easy.

Grant

 

[Jeff_K]

... the glacier diesel bars look great, and look NICE and strong, BUT im not sure i like the way they fasten them to the frame. i will have to have a few others put them on and see if there are any problems with the U bolts pinching the frame... .

The using u-bolts to attach the bracket to the frame will not pinch the frame. It would bend the bracket before it caused any problems with the frame.



Drilling into to frame (ie. superlift) should be more of a concern.

 

[GWBourne]

The using u-bolts to attach the bracket to the frame will not pinch the frame. It would bend the bracket before it caused any problems with the frame.



Drilling into to frame (ie. superlift) should be more of a concern.

the amount of forces placed on the frame on the front U bolt is a LOT more than you think... and without knowing JUST where the U-bolt sits, and not being under the truck to see the frame structure in that exact area, i would be weary of it.



with drilling two holes into the frame, and using more surface area of the frame it isnt a concern. you can drill into the sides of the frame,just not within a certain area of the corners. my GUESS is they also have a sleve to put in place so as to not crush the frame, but again, without seing it in person, i cant say.

Grant

 

[Jeff_K]

Since the force on a ladder bar is UP when under torque, there should be no force on either u-bolt in the frame mount. All that mount does is hold the plate with the shackle mount to the bottom of the frame. The only chance of hurting the frame would be over-tightening the bracket during installation.



The superlift bars need to have a solid mount to the frame because there is no front shackle and they use the frame mount to stop axle wrap. They are a completely different design than the GDP bars.



There is good info on axle wrap here: http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/

 

[driverno8]

I went with the 65" from www.anninengineering.com They're sitting in my living room awaiting installation. Pretty much a custom install job. But I needed something to accomodate the 6" lift and a long bed. They're the only ones I could find a good price. All of the one I found are for a short bed. I had them cut the rear bracket at 4" to go around the axle.

 

[GWBourne]

Since the force on a ladder bar is UP when under torque, there should be no force on either u-bolt in the frame mount. All that mount does is hold the plate with the shackle mount to the bottom of the frame. The only chance of hurting the frame would be over-tightening the bracket during installation.



The superlift bars need to have a solid mount to the frame because there is no front shackle and they use the frame mount to stop axle wrap. They are a completely different design than the GDP bars.



There is good info on axle wrap here: http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/

yes, on acceleration, force is up, BUT when the exhaust brake is working with a 25k load being slowed by the rear axle, the force is now down.



i understand fully how axle wrap happens and is corrected... .



as im sure you know, everything suspensionwise moves in an arc... the up force on acceleration translates into a up with a little foreward force. that will place stress on the back u bolt. deceleration, will place stress on the front. how much? NO CLUE! thats why i would need to see a set installed and seewhere they bolt up.



as for the superlifts being a non shackle design, yes, they will bind a bit more but it might be better for my setup anyway...



once more sets are out there then i will be able to see some in person maybe...

Grant