Transmission war threads

[Bandit1]

this seems pretty much like a worthless post to me, i could be wrong and if i am someone let me know in a civilized manner. i am loyal bc i spent my hard earned cash on a good product. the others are good products as well, to each his own that is what makes the world go round. but i will crack a frosty one and chuckle at everyone that gets their panties in a bunch over personal opinion.

 

[Cummins_gal]

Wow you boys take this stuff way too serious (joel dude) I was offended and i dont even like autos. I have an idea though, everyone take the weekend time you have off and do a transmission swap, and slap a clutch in there. When you wake up Monday mornin you will have 5 or 6 awesome new gears to go through on the way to work. Then you will not give a poo about these auto transmission posts and you can sleep at night. Chris what are you up too this weekend



Only a joke, your auto rocks! It's whatever floats your boat.

 

[ob1kobi]

Here we go again. :-{}



DTT supporters are not croanies, nor are the DTT supporters a wolfpack. We are however the majority right now, so it may seem as though we are both croanies and a wolf pack, but we are not.



People, Thunder in Muncie is right around the corner. So if your not ready, then go buy your parts from whoever makes YOU (not the rest of the TDR) happy, shine your trucks up all nice and pretty (they are faster when they are clean ya know) and as The Rock would say, "Just bring it!" There we can all shut our mouths, and let the trucks do the talking for a change.



I don't talk, but my truck yells loud as hell!!



Ted

 

[Mtngoat]

I had to laugh, my wife was reading with me and she said, "Boys and their toys, too much testosterone being thrown about here. "

 

[StakeMan]

I haven't posted in a while, and probably won't again, but I wanted to point something out.



Notice how these 2 threads went.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70089&highlight=DTT+article



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70046&highlight=DTT+article



Both threads were about an article that was published about DTT and not one ATS customer posted on either one. Nobody tried to hijack the thread.



Now notice how this thread went.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71748



The third post is what started it going to the toilet.

 

[Edward]

Originally posted by ob1kobi





Here we go again. :-{}



DTT supporters are not croanies, nor are the DTT supporters a wolfpack... ... .

Ted

http://www.dieseltrans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=20

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 12:57 pm Post subject: Wolfpack Shirt Orders

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Well here are the updates on the wolfpack shirts:



The shirts will be on BLACK



The sizes go from Medium to 4XL. Please make sure to specify your size.



The shirts are 100% Cotton.



The cost will be $20. 00US plus S/H

 

[Big White Beast]

Stakeman......

Notice on these two threads who hijacked them... ... ... .....



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68494



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69861



Just as I pointed out to Ron it works both ways,



Garrett

 

[StakeMan]

Big White Beast,



In my opinion those two threads were directed at ATS.

 

[Big White Beast]

I didn't see it that way...........

Not being privvy to any prior discussion on the valves I found the thread to be informative. I actually broke out the manual and looked a few things over (mostly greek to me).



The point is that the person that hijacked the thread has no working knowledge of our transmissions. He's just a customer like most of us. His main intent is to steer these threads into the wars they become.



We could tit for tat all night about who said what to whom first. It doesn't matter. This thread is not the last of the transmission wars. Nor oil or air filter for that matter. People will stand behind the products they believe in. As I said earlier for $3K+ you'd better well believe in your product.



If everyone would just agree to disagree then at least we will have agreed on something... ... ... ...



Garrett

 

[DPKetchum]

Seems some stuff here a little bias at times. Transmissions,injectors etc. I did a lot of shopping and checking prices etc. Found more brands and levels of performance things then mentioned on these posts. Was cautioned by other's selling performance items that the ultimate things such as certain torque converters/injectors etc. Where not always the best for normal daily driving/towing etc.

 

[pwr2tow]

Re: Works both ways Ron......

Originally posted by Big White Beast

Because of your personal rift (self admitted) with DTT you are one of the first to jump on all the transmission threads to steer people away from them. It wasn't until recently, out of guilt maybe, that you included them in your list of vendors. While I commend you for trying to take a neutral stance it becomes obvious in your posts that you are just anti DTT.



Big White Beast,

I have never said DTT doen't have good products, It's the way DTT and their sponsored members try to promote their products on the TDR that gets me going. As far as includeing DTT on my vendors list it happen once and that was just a slip on my part from being pressured by The Wolf pack, my appologise to everyone else, it will never happen again.





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I don't see advertising, I see loyal customers. This is for all brands, For $3K+ in transmission work you'd better be loyal. At the moment DTT happens to have more customers that frequent the TDR, that may shift in years to come, what happens then?? If ATS had more loyal customers would they then become "The Pack"??



Big White Beast,

When it comes from paid, or parts given free, or company reps themselves it is advertiseing, no if's, and's, or buts about it, and that is misleading people on the TDR, and misrepresenting what the TDR is about. Who ever said DTT has more customers, more vocal yes, but a few of DTT's loyal and paid sponsors hardly make DTT the top choice.











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What I dislike most is when people intentionally go into threads to see what trouble they can stir up. These trolls only have one purpose, and it's not to add any technical help to those threads. I'm sure Edward will be salivating when he sees another thread with transmission in the title.



Big White Beast,

Next time you shave, take a good look in the mirror.



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The best thing is we have power of choice, if these threads bother you stay out of them! If someone bugs you put them on ignore in the user control panel!



Big White Beast,

Ditto, I can not stay out of them when I see fellow members being horn swageled by a company and sponsored members, It is just against my nature.

 

[krs]

ronsram1999,



I don't have favorites and don't join groups. I chose DTT because they are the closest performance builder to my home and the transmission in my truck was at the verge of complete failure. I went to a builder that I'd seen recommended here rather than going to a dealer or to a place found in the phone book locally as I needed to be able to feel that there might be someone I could trust in that dire situation. This site seemed to foster an atmosphere of aid that could be so trusted.



Now you say that I've been "horn-swageled" by DTT, or the TDR membership, or both. I wonder if you'd mind defining your term as I really don't know what you mean. Do you mean that I've been misinformed or cheated? If so I'd very much like to know.

 

[StakeMan]

Re: I didn't see it that way...........

Originally posted by Big White Beast

Not being privvy to any prior discussion on the valves I found the thread to be informative.

There are several threads that lead those posts. The first thread was hijacked in much the same way as all the rest of the transmission threads.

Originally posted by Big White Beast

If everyone would just agree to disagree then at least we will have agreed on something... ... ... ...

I agree, but it will never happen. None of this really matters because no matter what happens in these thread wars, nobody is going to switch sides.

 

[ob1kobi]

Edward,



Who tagged the DTT supporters with the name of Wolfpack?



Why should they not make some money off of it by creating a cool shirt? Once we were tagged with it, it wasn't going to go away.



People who win debates, or arguments, are not always the most intelligent, but they are the ones who can argue the best. I am not good at arguing, in my opinion it's a waste of time. My truck however loves to argue, and will argue with anybody that chooses to line up against it. My truck will do all the arguing for me.



Don't hate the players, hate the game.



Ted

 

[pwr2tow]

Originally posted by ob1kobi

Edward,



Who tagged the DTT supporters with the name of Wolfpack?



Why should they not make some money off of it by creating a cool shirt? Once we were tagged with it, it wasn't going to go away.

Ted

The only ones that really care about the title name calling is DTT people, they are the ones makeing an issue out of it when we use the name, which you guys choose to use and sponsored by DTT. By the way DTT was called the Mob long before the wolf pack and if memory serves me right it was one of the DTT crowd that picked up on the wolf pack name in an effert to steer their sake away from other names such as Mob and a host of others.

DTT is the ones that choose to use a name that dictates scavageing and attacking, not anyone else.



Ron



Ron

 

[pwr2tow]

Originally posted by KRS

ronsram1999,



I don't have favorites and don't join groups. I chose DTT because they are the closest performance builder to my home and the transmission in my truck was at the verge of complete failure. I went to a builder that I'd seen recommended here rather than going to a dealer or to a place found in the phone book locally as I needed to be able to feel that there might be someone I could trust in that dire situation. This site seemed to foster an atmosphere of aid that could be so trusted.



Now you say that I've been "horn-swageled" by DTT, or the TDR membership, or both. I wonder if you'd mind defining your term as I really don't know what you mean. Do you mean that I've been misinformed or cheated? If so I'd very much like to know.

In your first paragraph you stated why you choose DTT.



I never said you were horn swaggled by the TDR membership, you said that. I said by DTT or DTT sponsored members, there is a big difference. Non sponsored members come on here to give information and information only, even if it is something they use it is still just personal information. When a sponsored member or company representative comes on the TDR after the initial telling you of a new product is when it becomes advertising or trying to solicit sales.



The only way you could be misinformed would be if people like me said nothing, then the information would be one sided.



Cheated, I doubt it, only you could answer that question. Cheated, only if you were not informed of other options.

Cheated, I doubt it again but, maybe because there was only one installer close by that you could use.



Ron

 

[ob1kobi]

Thank you for clarifying where the name of the Wolfpack came from, I was not clear.



The name calling does not bother me. What does bother me though is that I don't normally see any of the DTT supporters calling anybody else any names. 99% of the name calling, is generated from non-DTT supporters, towards DTT supporters.



So, who should be called the Wolfpack, or Mob?



Ted

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Ron,

In behalf of the wolfpadk,



Could you please clear us up on who are the sponsored members you are talking about? It seems maybe that Garrett has a valid point about pot stirrers. We all have been guilty of putting in a dig or two about others. That isn't right. But I am interested in these Sponsored Members?

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Enough already! None of this discussion is productive. People on both sides of this fence think that their side does no wrong and the other side does. The one thing that I am convinced of is that will NEVER change! Everyone needs to worry about their side of the fence and stay out of the others. NOTHING on this site fosters the level of discord, emotion, and anger that automatic transmission modifications do. I don't know why and don't really care - I just know that is the case.



We've tried time after time after time to get people to stick to the FACTS and keep out of personal attacks - and it comes back EVERY SINGLE time. The sponsorship issue will never go away in the minds of some. The problem on our side is what defines sponsorship? With each person you would ask there would be a different definition of it. Therefore we make no difference in the rules as they apply to people sponsored by a vendor and general users. That isn't going to change and it's pointless to debate it. We do hold vendors themselves to a higher standard and neither side likes it. Both feel that we apply the rules only to them and not the other side - which isn't the case.



The only solution I can come up with to stop this is to institute a rule that when it comes to automatic transmissions if a post is started about ATS trannies ONLY those with ATS trannies or stock can post to it. If a post is started about DTT trannies then ONLY those with DTT trannies or stock can post to it. Likewise with BD, Suncoast, Goerend, or others. I find it sad that it has to come to this but I don't see any other workable option based on the track record. These battles have been hashed out over and over again and nothing has come out of them other than people being ****** off and driving users away from the site. From here on out we will be deleting posts based on this policy. If you see a post that falls under this policy DO NOT fire back at that person - simply report the post and it will be taken care of.



If a post is asking a general transmission question you can post how your transmission modification works - but DON'T discuss the other side AT ALL. Posts WILL be deleted with no notice that do not meet this standard.



I'm sorry it has to come to this.



-Steve St. Laurent

Webmaster and Lead Moderator