Triple Dog & Edge/Attitude

[jcroman]

Hi all,



I just recently traded my 04 6. 0 powerjunk in for an 05 dodge 2500 cummins. I had many problems with my 6. 0 and tried many modules and tuners on it.



Here is the deal. from my experience on the 6. 0 the tuners were always lacking in low end perfromance while the modules always had tons of low end. I had the edge/attitude and the power was great but the shifting sucked bad.



Well I was leaning towards getting a edge/attitude for my cummins but I also read that many were using the Triple dog and liked it. Well to make a long story short I ended up trying a triple dog with the outlook monitor.



I was a little worried that the bottom end power would be just like the 6. 0 tuners. Weak on low end power. Unfortunatly it is weak on low end just like I was worried about. it also does not seem very smooth. I would like to hear from some people that have the edge/attitude and have maybe tried the triple dog/outlook.



Also the triple dog keeps setting a low boost code. It did it again on the way home for work and the check engine light came on. Well I went to pass some one on the perfomance level and the truck would barely excelerate. floored from 55-60 took for ever. I barely got passed him before on coming trafic plowed me. So I pulled over and reset the code. The truck ran fine after that. I think I am pretty much done with the triple dog after that little episode!!



I already have a edge/attitude on order I would just like to know if the lowend power is there. Meaning you shouldnt have to mash the pedal down 1/2 way to really start getting some power. Oo.



I know there is a crazy larry program as well but My stock transmission won't handle that kind of abuse. I also think that the triple dog/outlook set up is built kinda cheesy and I do not like the way they have the obd plug just hanging there. it doesnt even fit that tight and can be easily knocked loose. The system is also very generic in that its not defined how much power for each individual truck. I dont think they are able to get 230 hp outa 6. 0 . they show that all 3 trucks make the exact same power on each level in ther litature? I find that impossible. Am I the only one that see's things this way?



All I know is my edge /attitude on my 6. 0 was very well built and was not "Cheesy". I also know that there is a 180hp program for the juice but I think I will wait for transmission mods before I get that!!!

 

[JCrockett]

I have the J/A and love it. I have not tried any other module though. Edge stands behind thier products and will take care of you. As far as low end power, not sure what you are after. For me this thing gets the truck moving after turbo lag is gone. It gives you a decent seat of your pants feel.

Just my . 02

 

[TCDiesel]

You will like the cummins ,but you will dislike the the 48re it does not transfer power well and it won"t do it for long,Once you upgrade and replace the weak links in it You will love the low end power of the cummins.

 

[Tomeygun]

Hi all,



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I already have a edge/attitude on order I would just like to know if the lowend power is there. Meaning you shouldnt have to mash the pedal down 1/2 way to really start getting some power. Oo.



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I beta tested the Juice with attitude on my 03 truck, and one thing it DID NOT lack was the low boost fueling! That thing would really roll some smoke for a 100hp chip...

 

[TCDiesel]

I beta tested the Juice with attitude on my 03 truck, and one thing it DID NOT lack was the low boost fueling! That thing would really roll some smoke for a 100hp chip...

what % or effect did the other mods have on your truck. 05 communications are more complex than 03.

 

[Tomeygun]

what % or effect did the other mods have on your truck. 05 communications are more complex than 03.

Well the large single turbo did make a a bit more smoke because of the lag...



But all the other mods are to only handle power, not make it

 

[jcroman]

You will like the cummins ,but you will dislike the the 48re it does not transfer power well and it won"t do it for long,Once you upgrade and replace the weak links in it You will love the low end power of the cummins.

Ya i already can tell the cummins has a way harder pull than the 6. 0 wich I like. But your right about the transmission it just does not like the extra power. the 6. 0 torque shift held the power really good but the shifting was really bad. I guess i will just have to keep the modules under 100hp until I get the transmission upgraded.

thanks, for the input

Jamie

 

[jcroman]

I beta tested the Juice with attitude on my 03 truck, and one thing it DID NOT lack was the low boost fueling! That thing would really roll some smoke for a 100hp chip...

Thats what I wanted to hear!!!! Oo. I cant wait to try the edge.



thanks, Jamie

 

[TCDiesel]

Lots of smoke is bad,Smoke is a sign of not enough boost and to much fuel, you don"t want to fool it on the bottom, when it spools it than do the fool en, the stock programs only allow set parameter Fuel%=boost=power. Now low boost and to much fuel= high EGTs. VGT is the answer, that why those Fords&Max"s are DF. Both Cummins and Detroit engines are now more powerful on the bottom then the Cat engine,Cat owned the low end power for years now they went to Twins and lost some ground on the bottom and mileage on top.

 

[Tomeygun]

Lots of smoke is bad

Bad? For who, the ricer I am racing?



Really though, I think it is only bad if it does not clear up when the lag king finally spools

 

[TCDiesel]

Bad? For who, the ricer I am racing?



Really though, I think it is only bad if it does not clear up when the lag king finally spools

If your Program reacts quick enough the lag disappears quickly in turn less smoke. Racing is a whole new game,depending on setup you may want it to smoke all the way to the end(end of track, or end of engine whichever comes first). Yeah, change your oil after every run,Turbo/Turbo"s when necessary,mains and rods regularly.

 

[Matt400]

I just recently traded my 04 6. 0 powerjunk in for an 05 dodge 2500 Also the triple dog keeps setting a low boost code. I went to pass some one on the perfomance level and the truck would barely excelerate. floored from 55-60 took for ever.

05 huh?? would that be an 05 with a plastic intercooler, maybe cracked and not getting enough boost and thus the code? Sounds like something is wrong with the truck. What about other mods like big tires and tall gears. Stock 05's are not slow IMO.

 

[jcroman]

05 huh?? would that be an 05 with a plastic intercooler, maybe cracked and not getting enough boost and thus the code? Sounds like something is wrong with the truck. What about other mods like big tires and tall gears. Stock 05's are not slow IMO.

I guess you didnt read all my post?as I stated i pulled over after the incedent and reset the code and the truck has been back to normal ever since. The 1st time it set the code was right after I installed the bd and it set the code as soon as i started it. its definetly the bd causing it. i have read many other posts about others getting the same codes. my truck is only a week old and runs fine so I highly doubt the intercooler is cracked already. besides im not a diesel newbie and I think I would know if something that serious had happened. I was really only looking for info about the edge. there is nothing wrong with the truck. Thanks for trying to help though.

Jamie

 

[Matt400]

Thats cool, I did read the whole post. I was just trying to pick out something that made since. I do know that clearing a fault code does only that, it won't fix anything and only clears the code so if your truck ran better afterwards is was a coincidence or was from shutting the engine off.

 

[JVolpe]

I have had the Juice/Attitude since the first TDR group buy. I ran the standard Juice with AFE air intake and Banks cat back exhaust for months. I have tried Quad Race box and Dr Performance Stage I box. I now have the HOT Juice/Attitude stacked with an Edge EZ along with a number of additional performance mods. Overall I am very satisfied with the Juice/Attitude combo. I have not had any codes or drivability issues. Truck runs in the 13. 8s 1/4 range and should do a little better when I get better at launches. Power is consistent, smooth very adjustable.



The only issues I have is with the Attitude monitoring. Since I have had my ECM programmed with the correct "Pinion Factor" for the 315s, none of the transmission monitoring or protection works. This is a known issue with Edge, I don't really expect a solution. I also believe that the boost monitoring is very questionable, it looks to me like it is displaying the ECM boost readings after is has been fooled. If true this will not provide any real over boost protection. Since the TC/Trans is upgraded for racing and the II SPS66 is wastegated at a level that should protect from major damage I just ignore these cons.



I have had the Triple Dog in the back seat over a week now. Waiting to download the "Crazy Larry" program. I was going to see how it compared with my current stack, but it looks like I will have to have the Juice installed to handle boost fooling so I wont throw over boost codes. Not sure if I really like the idea of downloaders. I have been in the computer/programming/communications world for 30+years and many things can go wrong with that type of program loads.

 

[Matt400]

I also believe that the boost monitoring is very questionable, it looks to me like it is displaying the ECM boost readings after is has been fooled.

If thats true it certainly stinks, why provide a gauge reading to fool the driver?



This reminds me of another post where it was discovered the Outlook Monitor displays "fooled" rail pressures.

 

[jcroman]

Thats cool, I did read the whole post. I was just trying to pick out something that made since. I do know that clearing a fault code does only that, it won't fix anything and only clears the code so if your truck ran better afterwards is was a coincidence or was from shutting the engine off.

Hi,

well what seems to make since to me is that since it was a "LOW" boost code. That the ecm was defueling due to what it thought was a low boost condition. Thats exactly what it felt like also. There was no black smoke either. Truck has been fine for 2 days since it happened running on performance level. Im not sure exactly what the issue was but Im sure the BD caused it. time will tell. I will have my edge on monday and the Bd is going back.

Jamie

 

[BILLUA]

That would be code 0299?

 

[kjncowboy]

What about warranty issues? Will Dodge or Cummins have a fit and void the warranty if they find out that you are running the Edge?

 

[JVolpe]

We have accepted that we are the warranty provider of our trucks, at least I have. The tc/trans is aftermarket, the turbo is aftermarket, the air intake is aftermarket, the exhaust from turbo back is after market, the front suspension is partially aftermarket, the tires are oversized with a lift kit, there is two pyro sensors in the exhaust manifold and I have moved the AC controls in the console. I will have the door seals replaced under warranty when I get a chance.