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Triple lock Torque Conv.for improved MPG

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I have the feeling that the torque converter is wasting fuel and power. Really can notice with the all the slippage and heat it builds up backing up a trailer. The factory converter is the weak link in the drivetrain.

But have a hard time justifying the cost and time to change one along with the warranty implications.

Anyone change to someting like the ATS triple lock on a 2004. 5?

If so was there a noticeable mpg gain?
 
In lockup there will be no change in power transfer, fuel consumption, or MPG's. If you do a lot of highway driving you will notice no difference. If the converter is more efficient than the stocker and you do a fair amount of driving around town in conditions where you spend a good deal of time out of lockup you may possibly notice and increase in MPG's, however I think any increase will be negligible and hardly noticable at best. FWIW - I never noticed a change in MPG's when I went to an upgraded transmission.
 
Well I noticed I use less rpm's at the same speed so if I don't use the extra power I get better mileage. Of course my transmission had 133k on it before it got replaced. I think a low stall speed T/C helps improve driveabilty as well.
 
edgrim said:
Well I noticed I use less rpm's at the same speed



You are referring to being out of lockup correct? In lockup you should have the same RPM's with either for any given speed. Unless your original was slipping under daily driving and if that was the case I do not think it would have made it very long.
 
every auto transmission is going to build heat in revese backing a trailer. you will gain nothing in reverse.



going forward is a whole other game :-laf
 
If your only motivation to change torque converters is fuel mileage, you should forget it. The change in fuel mileage will be insignificant, and will never "Justify" the cost of the switch.

On the other hand if you are looking for increased performance from your automatic transmission, investing in a new TC is a step in the right direction. They offer a much lower Stall Speed, and are more "Efficient" then the stock unit it replaces. A Torque Converter coupled with an improved Valve Body and Control unit, makes for an improved transfer of power. The lower stall is very evident from the first time you drop it into drive, the truck actually moves out now without the revs jumping to 2200 and staying there for no apparent reason. The power is now getting to the ground, and the truck feels like it picked up 100 HP. This should be on everyones first to do list, but it isn't because on the cost. It is much Cooler to talk about the power programmer or plate you installed, but in all honesty they never helped the automatic equipped truck. The power is their, just most of it was wasted in the area between the back of the engine block and the transfer case. You could add 150HP, but without the right transmission and it's supporting equipment you will never get to use it all.

Now that you have a good Torque Converter, the Valve Body will make those firm, quick shifts while making sure the line pressure is adequate to hold the load in lock-up. These two improvement are head and shoulders above the stock Dodge OEM set-up, but they get only better when you add in the control the "Commander" or other such controller gives. These transmission controllers offer the user the advantage of custom individualized multi function control over the transmission, and exhaust brake. You get to set when the lock-up occurs and when it don't, most are also set-up to control the exhaust brake so it works in conjunction with the transmission, automatically and without confusion. The controller is in my opinion the best option anyone could add to their truck to control the TC and E-Brake safely and automatically.

You will not find any real fuel mileage benefits, sure the TC locks-up sooner and stays locked longer, so mathematical yes it is more efficient and will yield better results, just those results will not alone, justify the increased expense. But, if firmer, smoother shifts combined with lower stall speeds and control are what you seek, I think anyone of the three major brands of aftermarket transmissions will make both you and your truck very happy. Good luck
 
I did the Suncoast triple lock for my 03 dmax and is was night and day! Best money I spent on the truck. It locks up a lot firmer now too. I also have the 48re in my 04. 5, and agree, the stock converter is junk! Why would they stall it at 2200 rpm, when the peak torque is closer to 1700 rpm. It doesnt make sense. So at this point, I'm either going to Suncoast my 48re with a valve body, or order a 05 6 speed as soon at the adjustable pedals are available.
 
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