Truck Broke,need serious advice!!!

[RFraser]

This is in regards to an earlier post:https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161334,my 06 has been in the shop now for 3 days. After extreme over rev after startup and then no start,they replaced injector pump still no start,check this,check that. Compression test shows 400-420 per cyl. It will fire on ether but will not run on its own,now they figure all the injectors seized shut,all six at the same time,strange. This whole warranty repair job is starting to get bizarre plus injectors are on back order, my truck has 24000 miles since Dec. 1st/05 I missed two planned weekends with rv (40' 5er) and nobody has any idea when this truck will run or how long it will last when it does.

Does any body know what stock compression should be, Dodge is saying that anything over 350 is acceptable?

On the exhaust side of the turbo you can stick your finger down the exhaust pipe and scope out heavy oil and table spoon size globes of carbon saturated tar.

What would possibly seize up or plug all 6 injectors at once after an extreme over rev , floating vales,key off out of ingition and truck still running for 3-4 seconds,I know truck had good quality clean fuel?

I had an 1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel 4x4 best truck I ever had,done all maintenance myself,180,000 miles. Not a single problem.

2nd Dodge Diesel 4x4 2000 next best truck I ever had,done all maintenance myself,180,000 miles. Not a single problem.

3rd Dodge Diesel 4x4,24000 miles,all maintenance performed at dealership,motor half tore apart and has suffered an extreme over rev,this truck will haunt me forever,I am truly sick over this whole episode.

Any info or comments on the above would be greatly appreciated,Thanks,Rob.

 

[mattymac]

Hard to say if its getting fuel or not without testing the injectors, could be valve train problems from the high rev?

 

[Bob4x4]

This is in regards to an earlier post:https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161334,my 06 has been in the shop now for 3 days. After extreme over rev after startup and then no start,they replaced injector pump still no start,check this,check that. Compression test shows 400-420 per cyl. It will fire on ether but will not run on its own,now they figure all the injectors seized shut,all six at the same time,strange. This whole warranty repair job is starting to get bizarre plus injectors are on back order, my truck has 24000 miles since Dec. 1st/05 I missed two planned weekends with rv (40' 5er) and nobody has any idea when this truck will run or how long it will last when it does.

Does any body know what stock compression should be, Dodge is saying that anything over 350 is acceptable?

On the exhaust side of the turbo you can stick your finger down the exhaust pipe and scope out heavy oil and table spoon size globes of carbon saturated tar.

What would possibly seize up or plug all 6 injectors at once after an extreme over rev , floating vales,key off out of ingition and truck still running for 3-4 seconds,I know truck had good quality clean fuel?

I had an 1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel 4x4 best truck I ever had,done all maintenance myself,180,000 miles. Not a single problem.

2nd Dodge Diesel 4x4 2000 next best truck I ever had,done all maintenance myself,180,000 miles. Not a single problem.

3rd Dodge Diesel 4x4,24000 miles,all maintenance performed at dealership,motor half tore apart and has suffered an extreme over rev,this truck will haunt me forever,I am truly sick over this whole episode.

Any info or comments on the above would be greatly appreciated,Thanks,Rob.

You can bet star is the ones telling the dealer what they can and can't do. Commom rails are a pain to diagnose and trust me Cummins is still learning... .....



Bob

 

[sag2]

It sounds like it ran away. Possible turbo seal failure. They can get it running on propane if they try (and are careful) and that will prove out all the mechanical parts. If it runs on another fuel then they need to follow the TSB for checking the fuel system. It is easy to do, just time consuming. The TSB has been revised to include specs when cranking, not just running at idle. They also have to have the special tools.

 

[bgilbert]

Sounds like only bad things can happen when you run the truck down below 1/4 tank of fuel.

 

[HullD]

sounds like what i have seen with turbo seal failure on the the big cats.

Turbo seals go bad puting engine oil in the air to air cooler causing the engine to rev uncontrolably and making a tary mess in the exhaust.

The engine runs on the oil in the cooler.

 

[madmax4688]

if the turbo seal went then there would be oil in the intake plumbing at the engine. good place to look to see if that is bad. Should be clean if its still good.

 

[horned Toad]

Just for info I put 31 gallons in my truck tonight

most I have put in it is 32. 6 and the distance to empty gauge had been on 0 for many a mile,

 

[RDyson]

I've put 35 gallons in mine--but then I've done the vent mod :-laf

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

This is in regards to an earlier post:https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161334,my Compression test shows 400-420 per cyl. . . .

Does any body know what stock compression should be, Dodge is saying that anything over 350 is acceptable?

400ish sounds low to me. I did mone once and it was 520 on each hole on my '96 except #1 was right at 500. This is on an engine with a . 010" over head gasket, lower compression ratio than yours, and 365,000 miles on the clock.



Vaughn

 

[RFraser]

UPDATE:There was black oil in the intake manifold and a fair bit of it. The turbo seal scenairo is the only thing that makes sense so fare and the dealership never even considered it. Is there any way this could cause injector failure? Thay but six new injectors in and she fired right up but they still have no idea what caused the whole problem. Could this turbo seal leak sometimes and not others? Is there any thing I can do to make it keak? Is there any other way that oil could get into the intake manifold?

You guys are great help,Thanks Rob.

 

[Big MAK]

Put 38. 6 gallons in my '06 last Sunday. ... and the filler neck didn't even have any fuel in it yet.







Figure that one out... I think I was running on "holy water" or something. Power of prayer.



DTE said "Fuel Lo" ... for quite a while.



I guess "You're out of fuel" doesn't fit in the window.

 

[formula]

AFAIK, blown turbo seals is pretty much the only way you'd have oil in the intake. Did they remove the tubes from the intercooler and trace the oil back to the turbo? If it is indeed the turbo seals then the inside of the intercooler and all the associated tubes should be coated with oil. I can't believe they fired the engine without checking this out first :--)



Sean

 

[RFraser]

UPDATEealer installed 6 new injectors and truck fired up. 3 of the old injectors looked pretty ****ty. The truck seems to be running fine. The mechanic said there was no oil in the intercooler or the piping leading up to the intake manifold but yet the intake manifold itself had black oil in it. Is there anyway to explain this?Also my engine oil seems to run awful black even right after an oil change. My 92' and 00' oil run pretty clean all the time. Thanks for help and info,Rob.

 

[RFraser]

Believe me the above smiley face was not supposed to be there!!!

 

[Spooled-up]

was no oil in the intercooler or the piping leading up to the intake manifold but yet the intake manifold itself had black oil in it.

Unless your truck backfired oil through the intake, I don't see how this is possible. Sounds like a mechanic that doesn't mind exploring what you're willing to believe!

 

[rashwor]

My '05 runs very black oil, even immediately right after a change. Black oil is not a worry on these 3rd gens, but rather normal. My '99 and '92 were always clean.

 

[Diesel Power]

if your truck had a high rpm no load rev to the moon, it could have floated the valves and the oil from the piston could have been pushed into the intake side or diesel fuel

 

[RFraser]

Thanks for the replies,still wating to hear from dealer.