Truck will not start

[CAT 385]

My truck will not start and after you get it running (either, by dealers recomendation) if you push the throttle to the floor it will rev to 3800 and stay there for about 5 to 10 seconds.



Dealer replace the throttle told me it was ready, I came to pick it up same problem then they told me Chrysler had to authorize more parts and to just atart it with either till they call me. Then to top it off the moter must have gotten to hot because I have all the gauges off and could tell that I burned up my exhaust gaskets somewhere because it screams like a trapped lion.



My point is does anyone have any advice on what to do to get Chrysler to step up and just fix the damn thing. I only have 43,000 miles on it and I really like dodges but I can see a Ford in my future if this continues on.

 

[Dieselnerd]

Are you saying you start it with ETHER? If so, that can be a real problem since there are warnings to never use any kind of starting fluid in a Dodge Cummins! Reason, the hot intake heater grids can cause it to explode. Not the same as diesels that have glow plugs in the cylinders.

 

[JCleary]

My truck will not start and after you get it running (either, by dealers recomendation) if you push the throttle to the floor it will rev to 3800 and stay there for about 5 to 10 seconds. .

Probably running on the ether you injected. It's a good thing it didn't explode or cause some other issues.

Dealer replace the throttle told me it was ready, I came to pick it up same problem then they told me Chrysler had to authorize more parts and to just atart it with either till they call me. Then to top it off the moter must have gotten to hot because I have all the gauges off and could tell that I burned up my exhaust gaskets somewhere because it screams like a trapped lion. .

What kind of gauges do you have? Why are they "off?"



Do you/did you have any fueling boxes?



What do you mean, it screams? If your manifold gaskets are bad, it would sound like ticking.



Is the turbo making noise? It is possible your bearings are shot in the turbo, and the compressor is rubbing the housing. If you're revving the motor to 3800 at cold start, it wouldn't surprise me. Not much oil flow when it's cold enough to use ether.



I had a Toyota turbo that had a noisy compressor. The previous owner had a head gasket problem, and somehow the water in the oil caused the turbo bearings to wear, which created end-play and a destroyed turbo. Just bringing this up because the bronze bushings in the turbo will wear quickly with poor oil flow.

My point is does anyone have any advice on what to do to get Chrysler to step up and just fix the damn thing. I only have 43,000 miles on it and I really like dodges but I can see a Ford in my future if this continues on.

Please fill out your signature or give us some more specifics on your truck. That way someone here can make some better suggestions.



Finally- Don't think you'd be happier with a Ford. Their motor problems are bordering on legendary in the auto industry (with the 6. 0h no)

 

[JFaughn]

1st find a new dealer to go to ,get away from these guys , air heater or glow plugs can use ether if you disconnect them so as to not act like spark plugs and go bang, then find ether that when it sprays it atomizes not squirts , if it makes a hard knocking sound your using too much , if when the eng. fires and it sound normal thats the right amount. But I'm getting ahead of myself this should all be under warentee ,even tow.

Document every thing ,what they said about ether , becouse you want any damage covered.

 

[rbattelle]

My truck will not start and after you get it running (either, by dealers recomendation) if you push the throttle to the floor it will rev to 3800 and stay there for about 5 to 10 seconds.

First of all, like everyone else said, don't do this. And if you're going to use ether disonnect the heater grids before you kill yourself (or others).



As JCleary points out, it's probably running on ether alone. Going to WOT 3800 RPM no-load on a cold engine isn't helping anything.



The engine needs 2 things to run: fuel and air. It's probably getting air, since it seems to be getting the ether you inject. So that leaves fuel.



A no fuel condition could be caused by any number of electronic problems, but if you're not getting a check engine light I'd check your fuel tank and see if it's gelled up on you (if it's cold enough to warrant ether, it's cold enough to gel the fuel). That would explain why the dealer might have "fixed" it in their warm shop (where the fuel un-gels), then parked it outside where it cooled and re-gelled.



I'd pull the fuel filter and see if it's gelled. If it isn't, I'd probably open the drain valve on the filter canister and bump the starter. If fuel comes out the drain tube under pressure, then at least you know you've got fuel getting to the injector pump. From there, diagnosis would become one of narrowing down possibly injector problems or CP-3 problems (most of which should trip a check engine light).



So the first question to ask yourself is: are you getting a CEL?



-Ryan

 

[CAT 385]

I guess I should have made my self more clear, sorry about that.



I only inject the either while someone is cranking the engine and the intake heaters are off. ( I own a construction business and I use either on a regular basis. ) The truck fires right up and idles smooth but with a lope kind of like a detroit 2 stroke diesel. There has never been any either knock from to much either.



THe high rpm is after warm up when you push it to the floor during normal driving.



Yes there is a ticking sound in the exaust, but that just started yesterday. The scream is much worse now and there is no power lots of Blueish black smoke and of course the sweet smell of antifreeze. I returned it to the dealer yesterday and told them to fix it and call me.



While I was there they told me they had 4 trucks with the same problems and they were waiting on star to authorize parts. THey said it was injectors and or injector pump, I guess we will see sounds like a headgasket also.



I had the attitude on pre turbo and the only prblem I had was the starting and the high idle so I took it off to take to dealer and caused all these problems with out and way to monitor the engine.





Thanks for the advice and any more you may have

 

[JApol]

Yes there is a ticking sound in the exaust, but that just started yesterday. The scream is much worse now and there is no power lots of Blueish black smoke and of course the sweet smell of antifreeze. I returned it to the dealer yesterday and told them to fix it and call me.

Most of my know how comes from this site but it sounds like the ticking is the exhaust gasket, the screaming with no power sounds like a turbo that is gone. and the sweet smell of antifreeze, is that in the exhaust or just smell it under the hood. If it is in the exhaust there went the head gasket. Of it is dripping down the side of the engine that could also be a head gasket.

 

[RJOL]

... I only have 43,000 miles on it and I really like dodges but I can see a Ford in my future if this continues on.

Wakeup CAT... You're having a nightmare...

 

[TWilkening]

Originally Posted by CAT 385

... I only have 43,000 miles on it and I really like dodges but I can see a Ford in my future if this continues on.

And you think you have problems now?

 

[CAT 385]

The ford dealer here is top notch and they are all going to break it is just a matter of how you are handled by the dealer. I have had 4 new dodge diesels, this one has been a great truck untill this problem started. The dodeg dealer is doing everything he can but star is calling the shots. THe truck will be fixed but who knows how long.



The ford dealer has been a family friend for a long time and said he would pull parts off a new one if the truck was down for more than a day or give me his demo. The good part is that he understands when you spend that kind of money on a truck it needs to work.



So having all that being said I pick up my new ford today, I will keep you guys posted on how it works out. I still have a 93 ctd and my dad still has a 95 ctd.

 

[JCleary]

The ford dealer here is top notch and they are all going to break it is just a matter of how you are handled by the dealer. I have had 4 new dodge diesels, this one has been a great truck untill this problem started. The dodeg dealer is doing everything he can but star is calling the shots. THe truck will be fixed but who knows how long.



The ford dealer has been a family friend for a long time and said he would pull parts off a new one if the truck was down for more than a day or give me his demo. The good part is that he understands when you spend that kind of money on a truck it needs to work.



So having all that being said I pick up my new ford today, I will keep you guys posted on how it works out. I still have a 93 ctd and my dad still has a 95 ctd.

Ouch. Switched to the dark side, eh? I hope you have less problems with your 6. 0 than I've had with mine here at the shop. I had to get a new turbo by 25k miles. Not to mention multiple injector, wiring harness, and sensor problems. Only 51k on the truck right now.



The Fords are sweet trucks, I love everything about them except the potentially problematic diesel motor. Especially the exterior styling, plush interior, and availability of the crew cab short bed. I almost bought one for me until I came across my Ram that I just had to have.



Time to get an exhaust on that thing. I love the sound of a PSD with a nice exhaust. That VGT just sings!