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Crystal Flash – Soy Biodiesel Event “Test Drive a Tank Today!”







What:Come celebrate the first consumer biodiesel pump in West Michigan and fuel up with a free tank of biodiesel! Crystal Flash has just released its new line of soy biodiesel fuel and will be offering a B20 blend at its station and bulk plants around Michigan.



Show your support for alternative, environmentally-friendly fuels in Michigan and the farmers who grow soybean crops.



When:Tuesday, August 12, 2003







Time:1:30pm - 3:30pm





Where:Crystal Flash Corporate Office

1754 Alpine NW

Grand Rapids, MI 49504



Who:Local and state elected officials Michigan schools, universities, corporations, local media, members of the Michigan Soybean Association, the National Biodiesel Board and all who support a cleaner Michigan and efforts to reduce fuel emissions
 
Thanks Lightman,



This is local for me, I will plan for an extended lunch hour that day and see if I can organize convoy of Rams to follow me there.



How did you find out about this? I have been on the CF website and e-mailed them about the lost of availability of there Soy50 and gotten no answer. I used there fuel exclusively at the Caledonia, Mi store as it was a 50 Cetane and had no problems until they decided to get out of the retail end and sold all there retail stores, Mine went to Speedway.
 
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Sweet, glad someone can make it. I truthfully just copied and pasted this to the forum from a TDICLUB member's post that lives in Michigan. I figured I might as well post it for TDR members and try to get some Cummins owners burning the bean as well! I know in a few weeks when I pick up my new 03, it will be burning bio as soon as I get it home. :cool:
 
Lightman watch out!

The new common rail Cummins is a different beast from the older engines. The injection pressure is much higher and is NOT recommended for biodiesel at this time by Cummins. The problem is an issue known as flocking. The Bio is changed by the much higher fuel pressures of the common rail and return fuel coagulates (flocks) in the tank, plugging filters on it's next trip though...
 
I personally believe that to be untrue, and cummins approves up to only a 5% blend as a CYA statement to protect against poorly made biodiesel by homebrewers and the ill effects it can have in HPCR injection systems. Although its not commonrail, the TDI has extremely high injection pressure(20,000psi) and I"ve run 25,000 miles on pure 100% commercial ASTM certified bio. We also run 20% in two '99 MB's. I would not fear running blends of 20% or less in ANY diesel vehicle. Also at 20% the concentration isn't strong enough to worry about clogged filters.
 
Try it and let me know what happens. Part of my work involves biofuel and lube oil research, we've been reluctant to run bio in our '03s due to Cummins warnings of no bio though much correspondence plus the fact that we use the Dodges for transportation. We have other engines for experimentation along with a free supply of refinery produced biodiesel.

We've had no trouble with B100 in our 1300 bar (about 19k psi) 12 valves other than lack of power, couldn't wait to finish that tank. Run B10 most of the time with no noticeable difference but begin feeling the power drop at B20. Same goes for our tractors.

If I'm not mistaken the Cummins common rail runs at a top injector pressure of 1600 - 1800 bar, about 23k - 26k psi. I never knew what flocking was until talking to Cummins R&D about it. It will have to change though they say they are working on it since it won't be long till bio blend will be all you can get. Several states are set to require B2 in '05.
 
I have a friend with a Duramax that has had some filter pluggin problems at 100% concentration. This could possibly be the flocking problem you're talking about. He has been running 20%-50% concentrations for almost two years now without any further problems. He won't try B100 again though... . can't say I blame him.

Joe
 
Well some good posts. First of all, biodiesel does have slightly less BTU's per gallon, so in 100% concentration, power and mpg will be proportionately down. Most notice no mpg or power loss with b20 or lower. Some believe in this percentage that it's the higher cetane of the bio offsetting the lower btu. Next, b100 has a much higher cloud/gel point compared to #2, and as blends get proportionately higher, so does the gel and CFPP. At temps under 32F, anything higher than b20 could have gelling/filter problems as a golden rule. I dont worry about that and run b100 year round because I can in FL. People up north should adjust accordingly.



All if this is technical and tricky, which is why I've just been recommending to people on the board who want a no brainer premium fuel, to run B20 and forget about it. No probs with B20 down to 0F.



As far as other states making b2 mandatory, the only one I've heard of is Minnesota, thanks to ex wrestler jesse ventura, lol. He passed the 2% bio law, good job jesse!hehe
 
I noticed a slight drop in fuel milage since switching to B2; maybe 5% less?



Has a slightly different smell but still smokes pretty good:D



V/R



Breck
 
The local Crystal flash here (I'm in west michigan) had B20 last year and I tried it. In my truck it was horrible. Fuel mileage was down about 10%, power was noticeably down. I ran a couple of tanks of it and then stopped shopping at that station (they had #2 as well - the B20 was in their premium diesel pump). A few months later I needed fuel and had to stop there and noticed they didn't have the soy diesel sticker on the pump any more. I asked them about it at the counter and they said they got so many complaints that they stopped carrying it. I'll have to stop in there and see if they are carrying it again and ask about it.
 
Steve I'm surprised to hear your post. I do notice a power loss at b100, but at b20 its slight if any in both of my vehicles. I will say, that I don't believe anyone said bio was a super performance fuel, or that it would increase performance. It will however reduce wear, emissions, increase lubricity, and stick it to the middle east. :p Was it during winter months that you tried the b20? It's possible they either blended with really poor dino diesel, or had a bad batch. Thats the first of hundreds of people I"ve ever heard of having poor running conditions. Must have been a bad batch.
 
Guys there are some updates on this, and I'm going to give the link to the person at CF that's handling it and she may post. Apparently they are unveiling a permanent b20 pump! They are handing out certificates for 10 free gallons to ppl that want to try it, but you are able to fill up the rest of the way and pay for it. Not sure on the pricing yet, but b20 isn't usually that much more espensive than #2.
 
Heres a copy of the post made from the representative at CF. Apparently this is a big event and the mayor will even be there.



"This email is an attempt to clarify the original post. I am in charge of planning the biodiesel pump event for Crystal Flash and we are very excited to be able to offer biodiesel right at the pump in West Michigan! I am so glad that so many of you are supporters of this initiative and are so willing to help promote the use of biodiesel.



However, there was a miscommunication on the post. The event begins at 1:30pm and goes until about 2:30pm on August 12. During that time, we will be holding a press conference, unveiling the pump and wrapping it up with a fuel parade that includes some West Michigan corporate partners. After 2:30pm, we will be handing out 100 coupons (one per customer) for 10 free gallons of B20 (the blend Crystal Flash is offering at the pump) and we will be allowing consumers the opportunity to fill up at that time. Please do not arrive to fill up before that time due the specific timing of the events that will be taking place.



We would love to see many of you at Crystal Flash to help raise awareness about biodiesel in West Michigan. I know some of you have 100 gallon tanks to fill but we can only offer 10 at this time for free. We want to keep Crystal Flash in business for a long time! I hope each of you will take advantage of this opportunity and share in our excitement. I know the event will be a tremendous success in raising awareness for alternative fuel. Please don’t hesitate to call/email me with any questions and please aid me in spreading the word. Thanks!



Warm Regards,



Kelly Smallegan





North Star Public Relations



100 Grandville Ave, Suite 202



Grand Rapids, MI 49503 "
 
Breck,

How long have you been running B2. Is it from the Co-Op? :)



I have been wanting to try bio for a while. That station is a bit of a trip for me and it sounds like there will be a lot of BS going on that day to fight for 100 coupons of 10 gallons of fuel. I guess I will have to try it some other time. I wonder what kind of turnover they will have with their Bio?
 
I'm sure they'll have fresh B20 anytime after it opens. Give it a shot. You wont notice any difference in running, mpg or smell with b2. If Breck noticed a mpg change it was for other reasons. B2 will provide slightly better lubricity etc, but b20 will be noticeable. Burn the bean baby!:cool:
 
I've run a couple tanks of B5 thru my truck (new one) and haven't noticed any difference. The price is a bit higher--About the same as unleaded regular. I like to feel like I'm helping our farmers rather than Sadam's cousins though. Our station just up the road has had it for a while. (Mapleton Market on Old Mission Peninsula)



Kind of nice to not have to go into town and the vacation traffic to fill up.



Has anyone experienced flocking on B5? Maybe I should be carrying an extra fuel filter. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

In my truck it was horrible. I ran a couple of tanks of it and then stopped shopping at that station



Geez steve with the things you have had in your tank I don't doubt it. :D Well at least you are narrowing down the stations you WILL go to anyway :confused:





Posted by JoeBioDiesel

This could possibly be the flocking problem you're talking about.



For the reccord



flocculated mass is a gelling condition or a coagulation of the fuel.





The Chart in the below Text is from the cummins website as well.



http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/....cfm?uuid=000947AD-64AE-1B8D-BCF080C4A8F00000
 
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What is Cummins' position on the use of Biodiesel fuel in Cummins engines?





Background



With increased interest in emissions and reducing the use of petroleum distillate based fuels, some governments and regulating bodies are encouraging the use of bio fuels. Biodiesel fuels should be considered experimental at this time. Governmental incentives and/or environmental legislation to use bio fuels may have an impact on the sales and use of Cummins engines. This document outlines Cummins criteria and parameters when using biodiesel fuel.



SME or SOME 'Soy Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common bio diesel in the U. S. and is derived from soybean oil. Soy Diesel is a biodiesel/petrodiesel blend based on SME. RME 'Rape Methyl Ester' Diesel is the most common biodiesel in Europe and is derived from rapeseed oil. These fuels are collectively known as Fatty Acid Methyl Esters (FAME).



Fuel Characteristics



Biodiesel fuels are methyl/ethyl ester-based oxygenates derived from a broad variety of renewable sources such as vegetable oils, animal fats, and cooking oils. Their properties are similar to diesel fuel, as opposed to gasoline or gaseous fuels, and thus are capable of being used in compression ignition engines. Biodiesel fuels have a lower energy content; about 89% of #2 diesel fuel, and is therefore a less efficient fuel. Its higher viscosity range (1. 9-6. 0 centistokes) vs 1. 3-5. 8 centistokes for diesel) helps offset the lower energy content through reduced barrel/plunger leakage resulting in slightly improved injection efficiency. Combining lower energy content and slightly improved injection efficiency, biodiesel fuel provides 5-7% less energy per gallon compared to diesel fuel. The cetane value of biodiesel fuel is 40 minimum compared to 42 minimum for Cummins diesel fuel specification. Biodiesel fuel has improved lubricity compared to standard diesel fuel.



There are provisional specifications for FAME issued in Germany under DIN V 51 606, and also recently through ASTM PS-121, however these standards are under development and are subject to change. For additional information, refer to the Cummins diesel fuel specifications listed in Table 1 and to the ASTM provisional specification PS-121 for biodiesel fuels.



Emissions



It is the responsibility of the user to obtain the proper local, regional, and/or national exemptions required for the use of biodiesel in any emissions regulated Cummins engine. From the Comprehensive Health and Environmental Effects testing, a fuel blend consisting of 20% biodiesel and 80% diesel fuel (B20) can yield percent reductions ranging from 16-33% in particulates, 11-25% in Carbon Monoxide (CO), and 19-32% in Hydrocarbon (HC) emissions. The B20 biodiesel fuel blend will cause an increase in NOx of 2%.



Performance and Durability Results



Cummins test data on the operating effects of biodiesel fuels indicates that typically smoke, power, and fuel economy are all reduced. However, as there are no firm industry standards on the content and properties for bio fuels, consistency and predictability of biodiesel operation is not well documented.



Biodiesel provides approximately 5-7% less energy per gallon of fuel when compared to distillate fuels. To avoid engine problems when the engine is converted back to 100% distillate diesel fuel, do not change the engine rating to compensate for the power loss when operated with biodiesel fuels.



Elastomer compatibility with bio diesel is still being monitored. The condition of seals, hoses, gaskets, and wire coatings should be monitored regularly.



Cummins certifies its engines using the prescribed EPA and European Certification Fuels. Cummins does not certify engines on any other fuel. It is the user's responsibility to use the correct fuel as recommended by the manufacturer and allowed by EPA or other local regulatory agencies. In the United States, the EPA allows use of only registered fuels for on-highway applications. The EPA has additional alternative fuel information at: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/fuels/altfuels/altfuels.htm



Given the current industry understanding of bio fuels and blending with quality diesel fuel, it would be expected that blending up to a 5% volume concentration should not cause serious problems. For customers intent on blending bio fuels above a 5% volume concentration, the following concerns represent what is currently known in the industry. Concentrations beyond 5% by volume could have an adverse effect on the engine's performance and the fuel system integrity/durability. The affects are more serious with increasing concentration levels.



Areas of concern when operating with biodiesel fuels include low temperature operability (fuel gelation, filter plugging), heat content (poor fuel economy), and storage and thermal stability (filter plugging, injector deposits). The oil change interval can be affected by the use of biodiesel fuels and some applications may require shortening intervals to half of the diesel equivalent. Lube oil dilution in applications with significant part load operation will fall under this guideline.



In addition, from Cummins' fuel systems suppliers, the following issues are also noted: swelling and hardening/cracking of some elastomer seals within the fuel system/engine, corrosion of fuel system and engine hardware - especially aluminum and zinc, solid particle blockage of fuel nozzles and passages, filter plugging, injector coking, higher injection pressures due to physical flow properties - reduced fuel system life, added stress and heat to injection components - especially rotary fuel pumps - increased pump seizures and early life failures, poor fuel spray atomization - reduced fuel economy. Pure biodiesel fuel is not stable and its acid content increases over time which can damage powder metal components
 
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