Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Trying to figure what engine I have???

[WPeschel]

I bought a used 98 12 valve that was Bought new from Austin texas. . After a looking at it last night I decided to take the pac brake switch off lastnight to see just what engine I had in it... The covers says something about being compliant with the 1994 california emmission laws??? I also noticed the Hp rating to be 175hp??? I sure thought that thing was a 215 when I bought it... Well anyways is there any downfalls to having this engine?? There is no EGR anywhere or proof that there was ever egr on this truck... I wonder if this is the original engine or if the KDP broke the front cover and this is the replacement cover, or engine??? I am not trying to get super hp out of it cause this is my tow rig I intend to get a good pulling 400hp out of it. . Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated. . Wesley

 

[BigPapa]

Could it have been born with an automatic and converted to manual? The only way to tell on mine is the instrument cluster and steering column. If someone changed that out, too, it'd be hard to tell without getting a build sheet.



Scott

 

[JFaughn]

Your making me confused also , bought used - new from Austin Texas ?
If it is a 94 , the 175 HP , means it came out of a manual trans truck , the autos were a 160 HP .
If it was a 98 , I think it should be a 215 also , I do not think they had an EGR on any 12v , but not sure .
If you go to the home page , on the rt. column , look for the buyers guide , it tells of the yr to yr changes .
Also look for the 53 casting on block , divers side ft, just above the oil pan .
What came with the eng ? , some numbers on the pump if it came with should help .

I thought your were talking about just an eng , not the hole truck , the hole eng could have been replaced also , the buyer guide should give you a lot of info , but numbers on pump & injectors , casting numbers for block may be necessary .

 

[BAnsley]

cail. emissions had egr valve on 12 valve trucks, get the numbers of the inj. pump that should give you an awnser on what hp your truck is.

 

[WPeschel]

I bought the truck used from the second owner... The original owner bought it new froum Austin, TX... I tried to look at the pump numbers, but cannot see the tag cause it is facing too far down. . I might need to use my camera to take a picture of it or use a mirror and a light... . I will try to report back when i get back too the house... Is there any down fall to having this engine??? I have a 3k gsk kit, #10 plate ready to go in as soon as check valve lash and get the KDP tabbed if it is not all ready done... What is the difference between the engines from 160hp on up to 215hp is it only the injector pump, injectors???

 

[Buck88]

Far as I know its just the pump and injectors and emission BS.

 

[Dave M]

I assume the tag your referring to that you can't see good is the engine ID tag on the drivers side of the gear/timing case cover. If that hasn't been tampered with it will give you the CPL (engine) number. On my 97 its CPL 2175 which is the 215 hp pump. I know... the engine ID tag is really hard to read. You can go here to look up CPL vs HP:



CPL's for Dodge Ram diesels



There is a lot of usefull info on that dodgeram.org site if you spend time searching thru it all.



Here is an exerpt from that link above showing inj pumps on 2175 engine:



These are all 215 h. p pump Numbers:

Cummins# CPL# Bosch#

3931538 2175 0402736913

3929689 2023 0402736887

3931600 2175 0402736887

3931538 2175 0402736913

3931600 2175 0402736887



I've never checked the inj pump for numbers so I can't help you there.



Also check the VIN on the dashboard visible thru drivers side of windshield and check the drivers side door jab stickers which also should show the VIN and build date. The 215 pump is THE most wanted of those inj pumps from what I seen.



Dave

 

[Fordiesel69]

215's have a different bowl, the top ring is down farther and the ring land is cast iron lined. I will try to find my old thread on this.

 

[WPeschel]

I assume the tag your referring to that you can't see good is the engine ID tag on the drivers side of the gear/timing case cover. If that hasn't been tampered with it will give you the CPL (engine) number. On my 97 its CPL 2175 which is the 215 hp pump. I know... the engine ID tag is really hard to read. You can go here to look up CPL vs HP:



CPL's for Dodge Ram diesels



There is a lot of usefull info on that dodgeram.org site if you spend time searching thru it all.



Here is an exerpt from that link above showing inj pumps on 2175 engine:



These are all 215 h. p pump Numbers:

Cummins# CPL# Bosch#

3931538 2175 0402736913

3929689 2023 0402736887

3931600 2175 0402736887

3931538 2175 0402736913

3931600 2175 0402736887



I've never checked the inj pump for numbers so I can't help you there.



Also check the VIN on the dashboard visible thru drivers side of windshield and check the drivers side door jab stickers which also should show the VIN and build date. The 215 pump is THE most wanted of those inj pumps from what I seen.



Dave

I just checked the cpl it is a 1550 which is a 175hp engine... That is if this is the original gear case... Man I am #@$%!... Oh well Its too late to worry with it now... . Is there anything else?? I will try to get the numbers off the pump to be sure. . Will this engine produce good hp with 10 plate 3k gsk, and ddp stage threes?? If I have too i will find a 215 pump... .

 

[Dave M]

Well. . take a look at the TST chart from the TST site here:



TST Power Kit without Video - IN



According to the the cam plate chart using CPL 1550 in chart below:



#10 is not recommended and the

#5 = 270hp/675 tq

#6 = 250hp/635 tq

#8 = 230hp/605 tq



Piers has the same chart here The link and chart shown below:



PDR Diesel Performance: 12V

 

[Driftwood Ram]

You are going to need a turbo change to tow with it. As little HP as I have I still need to control EGT's with the right foot. :{ That is assuming you have some hills to climb.

See signature for mods.



Tracy

 

[Dave M]

You can probably still use the #10 plate but leave it in stock location or move it back.

 

[WPeschel]

You can probably still use the #10 plate but leave it in stock location or move it back.

So is the #10 plate more aggressive than say the #6 plate???? I already bought the 10 plat assuming it was a 215hp engine... Man this really ticks me off... ... . Where would be the best place to find a 215 pump???

 

[Dave M]

Yes! The #10 plate is the most aggressive fueling plate from what I've read. That previous chart shows that if you had the 215 pump you could get 330 HP/750 ft-lbs torque but the EGT's will be a problem and the clutch will have to be upgrade. I think stock clutch will handle 275 HP. EGT's can be helped with high flow filter, 4 in straight thru exhaust and a better turbo or bigger turbo housings like 14 cm.



I got my SBC 13 inch clutch now that will handle 350 HP and I will start by keeping the stock turbo and put my #10 plate location where EGT's are managable. Then up timing to 16 degrees but still the EGT's will have to be watched to avoid blowing a head gasket or... . dare I say it?... . piston (... gulp. . ) meltdown.



Just hang in there and lets see what these veteran TDR members have to say about what you can do with the 175 HP pump you have. Take a look at the options. It might be pricey to get a 215 pump installed but that may be your last option.



What kinda HP can you get out of the 175 pump you have... . if thats what you really have?

 

[WPeschel]

Yes! The #10 plate is the most aggressive fueling plate from what I've read. That previous chart shows that if you had the 215 pump you could get 330 HP/750 ft-lbs torque but the EGT's will be a problem and the clutch will have to be upgrade. I think stock clutch will handle 275 HP. EGT's can be helped with high flow filter, 4 in straight thru exhaust and a better turbo or bigger turbo housings like 14 cm.



I got my SBC 13 inch clutch now that will handle 350 HP and I will start by keeping the stock turbo and put my #10 plate location where EGT's are managable. Then up timing to 16 degrees but still the EGT's will have to be watched to avoid blowing a head gasket or... . dare I say it?... . piston (... gulp. . ) meltdown.



Just hang in there and lets see what these veteran TDR members have to say about what you can do with the 175 HP pump you have. Take a look at the options. It might be pricey to get a 215 pump installed but that may be your last option.



What kinda HP can you get out of the 175 pump you have... . if thats what you really have?

When I get off of work I am going to definately try to see what pump is on the engine... . I am not looking to go crazy, but I want a good solid 350-400hp for towing... I have a betterflowing filter and 4inch exhaust turbo back straight piped... I also have a southbend fe clutch that will be installed as soon as I get it back from Southbend... I also plan on upgrading the turbo to a 62/14, and stage 3 possibly stage 2 DDP injectors. . I dont mind watching my egts thats not a problem... I tow maybe 10-12 times a year long hauls around 12-16 thousand pounds...

 

[JFaughn]

How about asking the guy you bought it from ?
It sound like its almost for sure the 98 eng with the 215 pump & the swapped cover , before doing any changes , find a dyno in your area , to get a base line , that may give you enough info to say its the stock eng for that yr .
Oh , do not forget that the 1st thing to add is gauges .

 

[Bob V]

If you are going to use a GSK you should stay with the #10 plate, no matter what pump you have.

 

[WPeschel]

The owner doesnt know about the engine he said the way I boght it is the way he got it... . It already has guages in it and it also had some banks stickers on the fender... . I will find out for sure Tuesday night when I get ready to tear into it..... I will be using the 3k gsk and the #10 plate thanks Bobv... I have a friend that is going to help me install everything... I already bought the kdp kit from tst also which will be going in tuesday... I also want to check valve lash, and bump my timing up to 16*. . I also have a few oil leaks to tend too... Thanks for the help...

 

[WPeschel]

Well I just looked and it is the 841 pump... What size it that??? I was looking at this website to possibly upgrade the pump have yall seen them???Pensacola Diesel Inc.

 

[Dave M]

Well I just looked and it is the 841 pump... What size it that??? I was looking at this website to possibly upgrade the pump have yall seen them???Pensacola Diesel Inc.

I did a TDR search and found this thread:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...6-96-98-injection-pump-engine-difference.html



Post #6 says the 841 is the 175 HP pump. Here is post #6:

The last 3 digits of the Bosch PN# for a 215hp pump are 887 and 913, the 180hp numbers are 885 and 911, the smaller 160hp and 175hp pumps are the same model but range in numbers including 838, 841, 854 etc. '94-95 automatics and manuals have 5x0. 0090" injectors, '96-98 automatics have 5x0. 0095" injectors, and '96-98 manuals have 5x0. 010" injectors. The '94-95 pistons also have a lower top ring landing, none of these things should sway your opinion too much.

And here is more info:

"where is the number on the pump?"

There is a small placard on the side of the pump, which is, unfortunately, behind the throttle linkage assembly. I don't think you can see it with a mirror and light, but possiblly. Fortunately, only 3 bolts hold it on - 10 mm I believe. It can then be swung away a bit to see the placard.

Any P7100 equipped motor will provide enough hp for what you are looking by my estimates, the 215hp and 180hp pumps do use a better camshaft than the 175hp and 160hp pumps. The 215hp pump is nice for street use without needing as much rack travel or timing advance, but they are limited at higher rack movement and RPM than the flat-top plunger pumps.

215 horse engines have different injectors as well, IIRC

That site for pumps doesn't look bad for a P7100. It doesn't give any details about what pump it is like 215.