Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) TST PM3/Edge COMP delemma....

[blacksheepdiesel]

MrDiesel,

I LOVE my Smarty/TST stack!!! But, I have the 6 speed so no shudder issues.
There are those who say a transmission controller helps with that problem.

Godspeed,
Trent

 

[JFlagg]

Smoked 'em in the parking lot at least right... ... ... . :-laf

Normally yes:-laf , but lately the cops have been sitting across the street so I've been keeping the smoke to a minimum

 

[MrDiesel]

MrDiesel,



I LOVE my Smarty/TST stack!!! But, I have the 6 speed so no shudder issues.

There are those who say a transmission controller helps with that problem.



Godspeed,

Trent

What causes it and why in the autos only???

 

[paulb]

Have you (or any others) tried the smarty with the TST? Does it take away some of the shudder? I will be getting injectors some time, and possibly water/meth too... .

I have not tried the Smarty. The shudder only happens with the Comp version of the TST, and only happened on level 5 or above. This is not a transmission, auto vs. manual thing. They both do it.



Paul

 

[SNiebaum]

Have you (or any others) tried the smarty with the TST? Does it take away some of the shudder? I will be getting injectors some time, and possibly water/meth too... .

I have a Smarty stacked with a TST Competition... it does not take away the shudder. The shudder is mainly caused by the extreme duty cycle the competition version uses.

 

[Fishin Guide]

My TST/ Smarty has some than desirable habits with the big sticks and the auto.



Cruise control is useless on anything over level 3 on the Smarty. TST off. The surge is a neck breaker.



I don't get lockup until around 50 MPH even with an advanced APPS. If I am pulling a load, it'll lock under 40MPH.



Less throttle input at cruise means lower line pressures.



Some of us are still waiting on updates for the Smarty program. Will they come?



I like the TST as a fueling box. been 100% reliable.







Dave

 

[Graphic man]

Paul... did you make it to the track on the weekend?



just wondering what you found on the boxes





Thanks

 

[paulb]

Paul... did you make it to the track on the weekend?



just wondering what you found on the boxes





Thanks

Yes I did make it. In a nut shell, I really like the Redline! The TST comp is now off the truck, never to return...



The Redline on 80% fueling, ran . 34 seconds quicker then the TST comp did on level 9, and ~. 1 seconds quicker then the Drag Comp. I only made one pass with the Redline on 100%, and I smoked all 4 tires on the launch. I will be playing more with that this weekend.



IMO, the Edge drag comp (or the juice), is the best combination street strip box of the three that I tested. It has better street manners then the other two. For all out drag racing the Redline box, really shines. At lower settings it is streetable. It's power on the strip is much smoother and more linear. Because of the way it fuels it is much easier to build boost to a certain level then the drag comp, and especially the TST Comp. The TST Comp is really not driveable on the street above power level 4 (to much shudder). My biggest complaint is trying to build boost and hold the boost at a certain level (i. e. 15psi when staging). At 15psi with the TST Comp, if I held the throttle steady, the boost would keep climbing and by the time I launched it would be at ~20psi. I don't sled pull, but I would guess that this would be a good box for sled pulling.



From a quality of product, I would say that the Redline and TST box, are tied for quality construction. The Edge drag comp, has proven to lack at times in this area. In Edge's defense, the only problem I have had with mine in the last 3 years was with the fifth led going out on the display. Edge replaced to box at no charge.



For me... I am planning on racing the rest of this year with the Redline box stacked with the Edge Drag comp (for timing). I was that impressed with just 5 passes.



Thanks goes to Rip at (Source Automotive, for letting me test the different boxes (as well as other things).



Here is my setup as we get started heavily into the 2007 drag race season:

HRVP44, Mach 6+ injectors, Helix 2 cam, City Diesel intercooler, HTT 62/14 over an S400 (Source Automotive twins), Redline fueling box, Drag Comp in EZ mode for timing, BD RAD (this may go, because with the Redline, it's not really needed... more testing needed here), Vulcan draw straw, RASP, DTT trans, detroit locker in the rear, ARB in the front.



Paul

 

[Graphic man]

Thanks Paul,



keep us posted on how the season goes and how you like the Redline and comp stacked... ... . i may also try one for next year



your input is appreciated







Scott

 

[Junior]

great thread with a lot of info. I was also thinking about these boxes and this thread helped out

 

[Junior]

Have any of you done smarty with the FMS box?





What would be next step down from the TST comp running with a smarty?

 

[16919]

The regular TST PM3... ... ... ... .

 

[BTighe]

hey paul, what do think of the redline as a stand alone box? ive got an 02 auto now. is it possible to run the redline low enough to save a stock trans? also, why do you run the drag comp for timing? im still getting used to the whole 24v thing. thanks



ben

ps, pm me next time you run in medford. i havent see the truck go since is was running a single.

 

[paulb]

hey paul, what do think of the redline as a stand alone box? ive got an 02 auto now. is it possible to run the redline low enough to save a stock trans? also, why do you run the drag comp for timing? im still getting used to the whole 24v thing. thanks



ben

ps, pm me next time you run in medford. i havent see the truck go since is was running a single.

Hi Ben,



The redline box can be adjusted from 0% to 100%, in 1% increments. I emailed Chip at Blue Chip, on running the box on the street, and he stated that as long as I kept the box below 50%, it would be a problem on the street. For pure street use, I would not recommend it. One, it will set codes. Two, you should stack it with something that supplies timing. That is the reason I have it stacked with the drag comp. Without the additional timing, EGT's will get hotter. For me, with the Mach 6+ injectors, and the HRVP44, I really don't have any use for running the Redline on the street. On a close to stock truck that is used just on the street (even with some drag strip time), my favorite is still the Edge Comp or Edge Juice. No stacks, easy to build boost, not weird shifting problems, and they are great values for the money. With the stock transmission, just don't tap the pump...



Oh, yeah... I will be at Medford this Friday night, for the street legal drags, and then on Saturday, doing test and tune.



Paul

 

[Fishin Guide]

Hey Paul, how does the Edge box add timing to the Redline?



I thought the Redline took complete control over the engine management? If that's the case, how does the Edge box interact?



Thanks!



Dave

 

[paulb]

Hey Paul, how does the Edge box add timing to the Redline?



I thought the Redline took complete control over the engine management? If that's the case, how does the Edge box interact?



Thanks!



Dave

I asked that question to Chip as well, and he recommended stacking it with a box that does timing. It's kind of a mystery to me how the Redline box even works. It has two connections to the pump, the same ones that the TST uses, plus two to the APPS. It does seem that the fueling is totally throttle position related (which makes it easier to build and hold boost when staging). It also has the normal map sensor connections, but it doesn't plug into the CAN buss. I do know the Comp box is adding timing, because when it is cold out, I get the timing surge that happens on some trucks, when the Comp is on, and I don't get it, with just the Red Line by itself.



My guess is (and this is purely a guess), the RedLine box controls how much fuel is supplied, based on throttle position, but not when the fuel is supplied. The pump and ECM are still in controll of that.



Paul

 

[Fishin Guide]

Thanks for the info Paul!



Dave

 

[BTighe]

will try to make it friday. thanks for the insight.